coyote

A7ELK · #1 12-02-2010, 11:11 PM

According to the regulations, is it legal to shoot a coyote with a .223?

rugatika · #2 12-02-2010, 11:15 PM

yup

A7ELK · #3 12-02-2010, 11:19 PM

Can you copy and paste from the regulations for me? thanks

IR_mike · #4 12-02-2010, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by A7ELK

Can you copy and paste from the regulations for me? thanks

Might be a good plan for you to read the regs.

There might be other regs/statutes applicable to your area/situation.

Bushmaster · #5 12-03-2010, 07:56 AM

Try page 18, down at the bottom of the page under BIG GAME.....specifically says unlawful to hunt big game (in highlighted letters) with ammo of less than .223.

The use of .223 or larger applies only to big game...there is not restriction of calibre applying to coyote.....

Rackmastr · #6 12-03-2010, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by A7ELK

Can you copy and paste from the regulations for me? thanks

Heres a great copy and paste...

www.albertaregulations.ca

300magman · #7 12-03-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bushmaster

Try page 18, down at the bottom of the page under BIG GAME.....specifically says unlawful to hunt big game (in highlighted letters) with ammo of less than .223.
The use of .223 or larger applies only to big game...there is not restriction of calibre applying to coyote.....

The regs actually say .23 calibre or larger must be used to hunt big game, a .243 is the smallest common calibre that can be legally used. I don't mean to pick, but I would hate to see someone get fined fined for shooting a deer with a .223. As for coyotes, your good to go with any calibre you choose

A7ELK · #8 12-03-2010, 10:24 AM

After about 35 years of hunting AND reading the regulations, I thought I new them pretty well. I obviously asked the wrong question in my opening post. Maybe I should of asked, Which animals are considered "big game"? There isn't a list of big game animals. So, who would like to make a list of the big game animals in Alberta. Is it as simple as, anything you need a tag/ licence for?

Pudelpointer · #9 12-03-2010, 10:31 AM

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Is it as simple as, anything you need a tag/ licence for?

That is pretty much it. Of course there are exceptions, such as Black Bear on private lands. The .23 minimum would still apply AFAIK, but you would not (may not) require a tag.

If you look on page 59, there is a list of "Other Species" for which there is no calibre restrictions.

Bushmaster · #10 12-03-2010, 10:57 AM

Sorry, 300, I stand corrected.....

A7ELK · #11 12-03-2010, 11:53 AM

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That is pretty much it. Of course there are exceptions, such as Black Bear on private lands. The .23 minimum would still apply AFAIK, but you would not (may not) require a tag.

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A tag/ licence is needed for wolf/coyote if you are a non-resident. That would make the dogs "big game"?? Also, a tag is needed for cougar, but someone shot one with a 223, which is why I am asking the original question.

Pudelpointer · #12 12-03-2010, 01:04 PM

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A tag/ licence is needed for wolf/coyote if you are a non-resident. That would make the dogs "big game"?? Also, a tag is needed for cougar, but someone shot one with a 223, which is why I am asking the original question.

Like I said, a few exceptions. Coyote / Wolf do require a tag for non-resident, but they are not considered "Big Game". As far as Cougar Boy on the other thread, I would still think the minimum would apply, but that is a question I guess F&W will have to sort out.

The way I read the regs, you are still "hunting" cougars or bears, even if you are on your own property, since that is what the regs state: "at any time of year, hunt (but not trap) cougar on such lands without a license." Under the "Big Game" regs it states it is unlawful to hunt big game (which cougar is considered) with "ammunition of less than .23 calibre."

I can not find any exception to the .23 minimum for predator control where bears and cougar are concerned.

Just sayin'.

Rackmastr · #13 12-03-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by A7ELK

After about 35 years of hunting AND reading the regulations, I thought I new them pretty well. I obviously asked the wrong question in my opening post. Maybe I should of asked, Which animals are considered "big game"? There isn't a list of big game animals. So, who would like to make a list of the big game animals in Alberta. Is it as simple as, anything you need a tag/ licence for?

Here is a list. Posted on another thread as well as there seems to be some sort of confusion on this.

Wildlife

Part 1
Big Game

Ursus americanus (Black Bear)
Felis concolor [Cougar (Mountain Lion)]
Cervus elaphus manitobensis [Elk (Wapiti) (Manitoban Elk)]
Cervus elaphus nannodes [Elk (Wapiti) (Tule Elk)]
Cervus elaphus nelsoni [Elk (Wapiti) (Rocky Mountain Elk)]
Cervus elaphus roosevelti [Elk (Wapiti) (Roosevelt Elk)]
Odocoileus hemionus (Mule Deer)
Odocoileus virginianus (White‑tailed Deer)
Alces alces (Moose)
Antilocapra americana [Antelope (Pronghorn)]
Ovis canadensis canadensis [Sheep (Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep)]
Oreamnos americanus [Goat (Rocky Mountain Goat)]

Any hybrid offspring resulting from the crossing of 2 animals, at least one of which is a big game animal

A7ELK · #14 12-03-2010, 01:21 PM

Thanks Rackmastr. That's exactly what i was looking for. .223 legal for coyote, wolves, bison etc. Illegal for cougar.

Pudelpointer · #15 12-03-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rackmastr

Here is a list. Posted on another thread as well as there seems to be some sort of confusion on this.

Wildlife

Part 1
Big Game

Ursus americanus (Black Bear)
Felis concolor [Cougar (Mountain Lion)]
Cervus elaphus manitobensis [Elk (Wapiti) (Manitoban Elk)]
Cervus elaphus nannodes [Elk (Wapiti) (Tule Elk)]
Cervus elaphus nelsoni [Elk (Wapiti) (Rocky Mountain Elk)]
Cervus elaphus roosevelti [Elk (Wapiti) (Roosevelt Elk)]
Odocoileus hemionus (Mule Deer)
Odocoileus virginianus (White‑tailed Deer)
Alces alces (Moose)
Antilocapra americana [Antelope (Pronghorn)]
Ovis canadensis canadensis [Sheep (Rocky Mountain Bighorn Sheep)]
Oreamnos americanus [Goat (Rocky Mountain Goat)]

Any hybrid offspring resulting from the crossing of 2 animals, at least one of which is a big game animal

Where did that list come from Rack? What the heck is with the Manitoban, Tule (California ffs) Roosevelt? Makes me think it is not an Alberta list.

Rackmastr · #16 12-03-2010, 01:58 PM

Alberta Wildlife Regulations.

http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/laws/reg...-143-1997.html

A7ELK · #17 12-03-2010, 02:06 PM

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Where did that list come from Rack? What the heck is with the Manitoban, Tule (California ffs) Roosevelt? Makes me think it is not an Alberta list.

They are transplanted in places like Cypress Hills. I find it REALLY wierd that bison are not included on that list.

walking buffalo · #18 12-03-2010, 02:23 PM

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Where did that list come from Rack? What the heck is with the Manitoban, Tule (California ffs) Roosevelt? Makes me think it is not an Alberta list.

It is from the link Rack posted for the Hunting Regulations, not to be confused with the Hunting Synopsis (summary)

http://iijcan.info/en/ab/laws/regu/a...-143-1997.html

You will find many exotic species included in the Regulations. Regarding the Elk subspecies, this ensures shooting preserves can't shoot Roosevelt elk in Alberta.

Likewise, you can't shoot monkeys or African Lions in Alberta.

Bison are not on the list because they are listed as an Agricultural animal in Alberta.

Pudelpointer · #19 12-03-2010, 02:30 PM

Weird.

Using that justification then Bison bison should definitely be on that list. And elk are an "agricultural species" in AB, so it is just weird.

walking buffalo · #20 12-03-2010, 02:50 PM

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Weird.

Using that justification then Bison bison should definitely be on that list. And elk are an "agricultural species" in AB, so it is just weird.

Weird, legalese. Tomato, Tomatoe..

Captive Ungulates have a separate classification under the Regulations from Bison, making it illegal to shoot ungulates except at an approved slaughter facility, but allowing a farmer to shoot, or sell the right to shoot a Bison on the range.

These Bison laws began before ungulate farming was allowed in Alberta. Back then, the only free range Bison in Alberta were considered hybrid Plains/Wood and believed to be diseased. The gov. did not and still does not consider Bison to be a Game Animal.

Espo · #21 12-03-2010, 02:53 PM

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The gov. did not and still does not consider Bison to be a Game Animal.

but they do have a special season on bison that you have to purchase a tag for.

walking buffalo · #22 12-03-2010, 03:15 PM

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but they do have a special season on bison that you have to purchase a tag for.

Yup.

I missed that the Ab Gov. has declared Bison in the Zama-Hay Bison Management Area to be Wildlife.

Only within this Management Area are Bison considered Wildlife.