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Old 03-05-2021, 11:40 AM
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March 5, 2021
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Preliminary Offering of Wild Fur & Canadian Ranch Mink
Fur Harvesters Auction is pleased to announce the following preliminary quantities of Wild Fur and our premier Canadian Ranch Mink collection under the “Canadian Mystique Label”. The online auction will commence April 16 and end on April 19th. Show days will be on April 15 & 16 to a limited number of pre-registered buyers.
Fur Harvesters Auction is extremely pleased with the support we are receiving from North America fur producers and we greatly appreciate the confidence you have shown for FHA.
Wild Fur Quantities
Beaver 75,000
Wild Mink 18,000
Otter 6,000
Fisher 11,000
Sable 20,000
Lynx 2,700
Lynx Cats 8,500
Red Fox 23,000
Grey Fox 3,500
Arctic Fox 300
Cross Fox 250
Silver Fox 70
Ranch Fox 5,000
Muskrat 80,000
Raccoon 110,000
Coyote 30,000
Black Bear 250
Opossum 5,000
Nutria 400
Badger 800
Wolf 400
Wolverine 80
Ranch Mink Quantities
Pastel 25,000
Mahogany 40,000
Browns 7,500
Silver Blue 8,500
Polar 1,500
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Old 03-05-2021, 11:58 AM
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Anybody here know whether a guys' grades get listed by Fur Harvesters compared to what NAFA used to do? This winter was the first I sent to fur harvesters. Wondering if grades are available, will be available, or are even listed ahead of time at all??

If they are, how do you go about accessing it? Pretty much like starting from scratch now in that regard.
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Old 03-05-2021, 02:45 PM
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Default FHA Preliminary Offering - April '21

Call your shipping agent and ask for your account number. You can then take the account number and go to the FHA site to make an account. About a week before the auction, the grades are posted on your account, with the lot number it is in for the sale.

Guess that answers the question on how many guys sent in coyotes. Not very many, with only 30,000 on auction.
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Ya that ain't very many coyotes, especially considering in eastern ones.
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Not sure what you mean by considering in eastern ones.
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Old 03-05-2021, 10:43 PM
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Ya that ain't very many coyotes, especially considering in eastern ones.
Not compared to what NAFA used to offer, that's for sure. It's a little higher post NAFA for FHA though.

2017 - Jan - 9,490.....Mar - 16,440
2018 - Mar - 12,373...May - 15,520
2019 - Mar - 10,844...May - 15,603
2020 - Mar - 42,886
2021 - Mar - 30,000 (Preliminary)
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Not sure what you mean by considering in eastern ones.
I mean that who knows how many of the 30 000 are crappy eastern coyotes.
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Old 03-07-2021, 05:13 PM
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Goes to show especially in coyotes how many are being picked up by private buying as opposed to sending to auction.
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Anyone ever think that the harvest could be off?
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Old 03-08-2021, 08:32 PM
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Marty what’s the story that GWF has jumped ahead of fur harvesters and is having a auction in Cambodia where the are selling 80,000 coyotes and a large collection of fox. Should be good for GWF as the borders are open for buyers, but how will it effect the FH auction. Just thinking this large collection might not be the best thing right now, or then again it might set some good prices.
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Old 03-09-2021, 06:41 AM
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Where in the heck did you hear that?
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Old 03-09-2021, 01:28 PM
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I heard they where holding an auction overseas but not the location or country. Rumour or truth cannot say.


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Got the information from 2 good sources. One is a buyer who has been invited to the sale.
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Old 03-09-2021, 07:31 PM
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well that's interesting, Having my coyotes all though not many sitting at fha waiting for the auction I cant say I'm very happy about that.
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Old 03-09-2021, 08:50 PM
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Times are tough and I understand why some Trappers need money ASAP rather than waiting a couple of months for auction. I hope to hell that this isn’t the beginning of a trend though. If Trappers stop supporting FHA and it folds, we’ll go back to being at the mercy of buyers as it was decades ago. That’s why FHA was created by Trappers in the first place. They were tired of being raped by “Take it or leave it” buyers.

Fur auctions dictate the market prices and without FHA Trappers will never again see $140 averages on Western Heavies. It’ll be $90 - $100 averages forever if we’re lucky. Buyers can’t be blamed to buy at $100 and resell the same pelts at $140, it’s just good business. The blame will lie with Trappers for not supporting FHA.

Unless you’re starving, facing eviction or something else that you need money immediately for, Trappers really need to send their fur to FHA. More fur attracts more buyers......More buyers bidding on your fur equals more money for your fur. Without FHA we are hooped. Think about it.
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Old 03-10-2021, 10:18 AM
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Just gonna throw my 2c into this.

I find sending fur to auction can be a bit of a gamble, generally speaking it is better money then selling to most fur buyers. Selling to a buyer you do have the option of saying no i do not agree to said price and you can walk away. The auction could sell your fur for pennies and there is nothing you can do but cash your pennies.
In theory if all of our fur went to auction then that's where all the buyers would have to go and we as the trappers would hope for the highest possible prices. I see a need for both.
My hesitation with auctions has came since nafa fell out and for some reason just before they fell out I sold my fur to a buyer for the first time and did very well. Before things went sideways everyone was predicting record prices and i was regretting my decision but once things fell out I didnt regret it at all.
I prefer the fur buyer route now because of the uncertainty of the auctions especially being online and if I don't like the price for my furs i can say no where with an auction you are at the mercy of what the bid lands at. At the moment i do have a handful of coyotes, beavers and rats in the April auction but i did sell over 60% of my fur to a buyer due to the uncertainties and i was happy with the price i got from the fur buyer.

I do hope the best for the fur market but things are whack right now and I am a firm believer in not having all my eggs in one basket.
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Old 03-10-2021, 03:01 PM
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I think we all suffering from PN-Virus

Nothing like canine AC virus... that very deadly. But PN-Virus more affecting the brain, causing despondency-depression, headaches/bellyaches (from related alcohol over-consumption etc
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Old 03-10-2021, 03:16 PM
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So is it true Marty? Are you allowed to say anything about this supposed auction.
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Old 03-10-2021, 05:40 PM
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Sold almost all my coyotes this year to a private buyer, sent 20 to FHA for first sale ..I did alright with the buyer but if the borders were open the hides would have all gone to auction, just never know how online sale will go .

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Old 03-10-2021, 06:31 PM
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Nafa left a bad taste in my mouth after I received an NSF cheque for 1200$. Thinking of shipping to FHA as prices buyers are paying seem to be on the low end
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Old 03-10-2021, 11:34 PM
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Dont be too hard on NAFA, it was CIBC that stole your money. They told NAFA to go ahead with the sale and that they’d honour the cheques. CIBC only honoured the cheques for one day.

First recent catastrophic event for the fur industry.... has Great Reset stench all over it. Second, wipe out 17 million mink that would have been easily treated/cured.
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I guess its a good business move for groeny, Fha has to be suffering with their expansions and covid hurting the auction. If groeny could kill fha hed have the market to himself. Yes Marty we know you dont want that blah blah weird how you wont anwser the question about the auction is it that secret or what.
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Old 03-11-2021, 08:41 AM
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Kingrat, you whine/snivel far too much. Im kinda busy these days for some unknown reason, to put my head anywhere significant.


Cambodia... it looks like the fur industry is in a state of evolving/morphing into it’s next chapter. Interesting!

GFW is not trying to kill FHA. What a stupid thing to say. GFW is a very professional fur buying company and was previously believed to be NAFA’s largest competitor.

GFW is trying to do their part to ensure that wild fur has a future. This business is too small to have enemies. GFW is a true asset to our wild fur industry. They are not some fly-by-night low life goon squad outfit trying to fill their pockets with cash.

My understanding was that the long range NAFA plan was to move to the orient and begin having sales in China. In these pseudo -pandemic times, i believe Cambodia was likely chosen due to fears that China could at any time ban import of raw fur due to raw state fur being per perceived as being capable of carrying viruses , but dont quote me on that, my personal speculation. Tanned fur would have the critters cooked out of it and moves across borders unihibited.

Again, all my speculations.




ps... PN = Post NAFA!!!

Post-NAFA Syndrome???

Disease???

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Old 03-11-2021, 11:15 AM
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Ok previously nafa biggest competitor you say.
So now they are fha biggest competitor than right.
What business doesnt want to crush their competitor? Give me a break Marty, you ain't fooling anyone, and sorry if my honest question which you wont anwser is considered whining by the almighty fat man.
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Old 03-11-2021, 12:28 PM
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I do need to go on a diet.

In todays fur business, I m certain GFWs goal is not to destroy FHA or anybody else, we are a fragile industry and there is strength in numbers. A few coyotes ending up in another market isnt going to destroy anybody. FHA is offering more coyotes than they ever have in history this season and last undoubtably.
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I guess its a good business move for groeny, Fha has to be suffering with their expansions and covid hurting the auction. If groeny could kill fha hed have the market to himself. Yes Marty we know you dont want that blah blah weird how you wont anwser the question about the auction is it that secret or what.
Wont and can’t are two different things... my deepest apologies Kingrat, the answer is can’t due to ignorance. I hope whatever is going on is good for our wild fur industry. If somebody creates new demand for our fur, it should translate into $$$$ for us trappers.
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This is the offering now, is it any different than the preliminary?

https://www.furharvesters.com/pdf/offering.pdf

Davey, feel like giving us the play by play of normal Nafa first sale offering vs this current FHA offering? I see 400 wolves, seems small, 15000 wild mink seems like lots, marten numbers seems low and lynx too? I thought they had mountains of lynx. Thot they was buried in fur?

Better phone a friend...
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This is the offering now, is it any different than the preliminary?

[url]https://www.furharvesters.com/pdf/offering.pdf[/url
That’s not the current offering, I copied and pasted the original post from that March 5 announcement but I couldn’t post the link at the time.
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I get that, is the actual much different than the projected?
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