Bloodless doe

[coyoteman]

Hunting with a doe tag in area 314 this past Tuesday,I had an unusual occurance.With fresh snow in the am.Early in the afternoon it cleared.Walking a gas line,a doe walked out about 80m.I dropped to one knee,when the crosshairs on the chest cavity I fired,I was sure I heard the bullet impact.The deer bolted.I tracked the deer on fresh snow,for about 70m with not one drop of blood showing,looked like a clean miss.Not the case,I found her dead,the bullet had exploded the liver,no exit wound.Without snow I doubt I would have found her.Pound for pound I have found the wt deer the most difficult to down on impact--But no blood thats a 1st.

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by coyoteman

Hunting with a doe tag in area 314 this past Tuesday,I had an unusual occurance.With fresh snow in the am.Early in the afternoon it cleared.Walking a gas line,a doe walked out about 80m.I dropped to one knee,when the crosshairs on the chest cavity I fired,I was sure I heard the bullet impact.The deer bolted.I tracked the deer on fresh snow,for about 70m with not one drop of blood showing,looked like a clean miss.Not the case,I found her dead,the bullet had exploded the liver,no exit wound.Without snow I doubt I would have found her.Pound for pound I have found the wt deer the most difficult to down on impact--But no blood thats a 1st.

Until this year when my GF shot her doe with a 130gr TTSX (blood everywhere) I haven’t had a animal with a blood trail to follow. That’s 3 deer and one elk. All the blood was looked inside the chest cavity.

[coyoteman]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

Until this year when my GF shot her doe with a 130gr TTSX (blood everywhere) I haven’t had a animal with a blood trail to follow. That’s 3 deer and one elk. All the blood was looked inside the chest cavity.

Wow thats excellant you found them all--Lots of meat for the freezer and not the yotes and ravens. Congrats.

[DiabeticKripple]

Originally Posted by coyoteman

Wow thats excellant you found them all--Lots of meat for the freezer and not the yotes and ravens. Congrats.

They all died fairly soon after the shot, didn’t go far. I watched the elk and one buck die. But from where I shot to where I could see them, there wasn’t a drop of blood, even with a pass through.

One doe ran into the trees and I had trouble finding her, but a grid search found her body only 30yds into the trees. Just had the wrong angle when I walked by originally only feet away.

[Mateo]

Originally Posted by coyoteman

Hunting with a doe tag in area 314 this past Tuesday,I had an unusual occurance.With fresh snow in the am.Early in the afternoon it cleared.Walking a gas line,a doe walked out about 80m.I dropped to one knee,when the crosshairs on the chest cavity I fired,I was sure I heard the bullet impact.The deer bolted.I tracked the deer on fresh snow,for about 70m with not one drop of blood showing,looked like a clean miss.Not the case,I found her dead,the bullet had exploded the liver,no exit wound.Without snow I doubt I would have found her.Pound for pound I have found the wt deer the most difficult to down on impact--But no blood thats a 1st.

It looks like you are shooting too far back. Behind the shoulder is for bowhunting. keeps your broadhead away from bones. but with a rifle. use the front leg and go straight up. halfway up the body on the deer. hit both lungs and the hydrostaic shock from the impact of the bullet with shut down the central nervous system and shut everything down. with my 6.5mm SS using 140 gr berger VLD's. of the 18 deer that rifle has taken these last few years. 16 dropped right on the spot. total shutdown. the 2 that didnt was 1. a whitetail buck at 340 yards that was a direct heart shot and it ran 30-40 yards before falling over. 2.was a big muley buck that was bedded and it was a good shot, 270 yards, it stood up, took a few steps, and was probably about to fall over when i put another in the lower neck to anchor it. I shoot hundreds of round every year and it makes all the difference

[marlin1]

no blood with my doe today but neck shot and went 2 feet . Saw hair first then deer

[catnthehat]

I don’t find white tails are at all to kill . Sure there is the exception to the rule of course, but for the most part out to 200 yards I have rarely had an issue, with any number of different cartridges.
Cat

[coyoteman]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

I don’t find white tails are at all to kill . Sure there is the exception to the rule of course, but for the most part out to 200 yards I have rarely had an issue, with any number of different cartridges.
Cat

For my time in Ab I have close to 50 deer most with a 243--Yesterdays doe an exception--ran about 90m with no external blood and vital organs destroyed,the 6,5 cm and 143 eld-x bullet,usually drop them.The wt tough pound for pound-The moose the easiest,hit them in those big lungs and they drop like a rag doll--I was "in on " over 70.

[coyoteman]

Originally Posted by marlin1

no blood with my doe today but neck shot and went 2 feet . Saw hair first then deer

Most any animal big or small when hit in the neck,dont go very far--usually drop.good meat for the freezer congrats.

[coyoteman]

Originally Posted by Mateo

It looks like you are shooting too far back. Behind the shoulder is for bowhunting. keeps your broadhead away from bones. but with a rifle. use the front leg and go straight up. halfway up the body on the deer. hit both lungs and the hydrostaic shock from the impact of the bullet with shut down the central nervous system and shut everything down. with my 6.5mm SS using 140 gr berger VLD's. of the 18 deer that rifle has taken these last few years. 16 dropped right on the spot. total shutdown. the 2 that didnt was 1. a whitetail buck at 340 yards that was a direct heart shot and it ran 30-40 yards before falling over. 2.was a big muley buck that was bedded and it was a good shot, 270 yards, it stood up, took a few steps, and was probably about to fall over when i put another in the lower neck to anchor it. I shoot hundreds of round every year and it makes all the difference

The doe was faceing me,at about a 45 degree angle.At about 90m,with full winter gear. a seond or two to fire.freehand.The bullet 143gr eld-x 6.5 cm hit a rib.The thread not about shot placement,but the lack of blood on the snow with such a devastating wound,basically the vital organs destroyed.The two bucks the previous weeks.With good rest,dropped them were they stood--Area 314--316.The wt I shot for the spine.

[Bock Fever]

Originally Posted by coyoteman

The doe was faceing me,at about a 45 degree angle.At about 90m,with full winter gear. a seond or two to fire.freehand.The bullet 143gr eld-x 6.5 cm hit a rib.The thread not about shot placement,but the lack of blood on the snow with such a devastating wound,basically the vital organs destroyed.The two bucks the previous weeks.With good rest,dropped them were they stood--Area 314--316.The wt I shot for the spine.

When shooting an animal that is "quartering to" or head on it's not at all uncommon to not get a a pass through and thus very little to no blood, especially with a caliber like a 6.5CM. I've seen this on many occasions. I'm sure the does body cavity was full of it but there is only a tiny little entry wound.
Even broadside shots that hit high lung sometimes don't result in much blood. The cavity fills up with it but the hole is too high for it to escape. Happened to my buddy with a 270 using 130 grain Federal soft points this season.

[Dick284]

If you want blood on the ground, every time you plug a deer, go bigger and tougher with your bullet choice, heavier, larger diameter, and tougher construction. Now I’m not advocating running .300 flinch mags and monolithic 180’s for deer, but for some folks that’s what it takes.

Think about it. With our farm deer especially, they are so fat, that if you fail to get a sizeable exit wound, the holes are almost self sealing and the blood leakage is scarce.

I’d be looking hard at nothing bigger than a 120gr. monolithic in a 6.5 skidmoore, if your hoping to splash blood on the ground from deer.

The other side of this equation is to run something like a 156gr. to 160gr. conventional cup and core bullet in this cartridge.

Frangible and devastate, the innerd’s kind of bullets are all the rage, until the fragmentation fails to make contact with the CNS or part of the driveline. Then you’ve got a bowl of soup with a self sealing lid.

I like exit wounds myself.

[Flight01]

I’ve seen “no blood” kills a few times. A couple 243 kills that had no exit and blood just filled the cavity and even a 270 with no exit that was a tad high in the lungs. All animals died within 100 yards
Had they ran further it would have been hard tracking. Only frosty frozen ground to follow tracks.

If your hunting style is still hunting or stand hunting inside 150 yards a 45/70 puts a good hole through them with adequate blood trail. Also 444 marlin and 44magnum carbines.

Although all the animals I’ve shot have died I’ve been moving all my rifles over to bonded bullets with high SD to try for an exit wound. Monolithic bullets may be in my future.

[bertha]

Originally Posted by Dick284

If you want blood on the ground, every time you plug a deer, go bigger and tougher with your bullet choice, heavier, larger diameter, and tougher construction. Now I’m not advocating running .300 flinch mags and monolithic 180’s for deer, but for some folks that’s what it takes.

Think about it. With our farm deer especially, they are so fat, that if you fail to get a sizeable exit wound, the holes are almost self sealing and the blood leakage is scarce.

I’d be looking hard at nothing bigger than a 120gr. monolithic in a 6.5 skidmoore, if your hoping to splash blood on the ground from deer.

The other side of this equation is to run something like a 156gr. to 160gr. conventional cup and core bullet in this cartridge.

Frangible and devastate, the innerd’s kind of bullets are all the rage, until the fragmentation fails to make contact with the CNS or part of the driveline. Then you’ve got a bowl of soup with a self sealing lid.

I like exit wounds myself.

NIce

[Full Curl Earl]

Originally Posted by Mateo

It looks like you are shooting too far back. Behind the shoulder is for bowhunting. keeps your broadhead away from bones. but with a rifle. use the front leg and go straight up. halfway up the body on the deer. hit both lungs and the hydrostaic shock from the impact of the bullet with shut down the central nervous system and shut everything down. with my 6.5mm SS using 140 gr berger VLD's. of the 18 deer that rifle has taken these last few years. 16 dropped right on the spot. total shutdown. the 2 that didnt was 1. a whitetail buck at 340 yards that was a direct heart shot and it ran 30-40 yards before falling over. 2.was a big muley buck that was bedded and it was a good shot, 270 yards, it stood up, took a few steps, and was probably about to fall over when i put another in the lower neck to anchor it. I shoot hundreds of round every year and it makes all the difference

Thats some interesting Biology. Tough on meat as well.
Low on the chest at the armpit crease, 243 to 338 Lapua, makes no difference.