BC cost to heat home skyrocketing

[elkhunter11]

If they don't want pipelines, let them freeze in the dark.

[Penner]

Originally Posted by mgvande

If everyone burnt wood stoves the haze would be terrible in the winter. Right now it's nice to smell the odd wood stove when walking around. Could you imagine if everyone was doing it.

I’m not saying everyone should burn wood just pointing out a fact and that a wood burner is an optional heating source. Furthermore if one burns wood “properly” in a modern high efficient stove efficiency is in the high 80 percentile putting them on par with older style NG furnaces. I agree the smell from a wood burner is comforting but barely detectable in a modern stove. In addition nothing like cutting down a few trees to **** off someone in BC (a bonus in my mind).

Originally Posted by Fisherpeak

Where you dummies voted for NDP too??? Give your head a shake.

Ya thanks for pointing that out. Been trying to shake that reality out of my head for a few years now. The shaking isn’t working. For the record they did not get my vote and won’t be getting it next go-round either.

[Penner]

Originally Posted by koothunter

Penner Have you forgotten that you have the same socialist D-bags governing Alberta?? Your increased taxes will be just as bad, just wait and see.

Fully aware of that. Just making sure everyone else doesn’t forget too soon.

[Penner]

Originally Posted by Map Maker

Greenhouse gas neutral. Ha.
45 pounds of fine particulates per mbtu for a wood burner.
Natural gas is like .00087lbs per mbtu.

Van island is built on solid rock so most places are too impractical to have the Pipelines to provide nat gas.

Residents are just getting gouged becuse the companies can. Same with us here on getting gouged for natural gas.

You may want to check your stats, regardless particulates are not a green house gas so not sure what point you are trying to make.

The only increase in NG you have seen in Alberta is because of the carbon tax.

[greywolf]

And what, 98% of the worlds pollution comes from outside of Canada!!
Ever been to China/India, heck the city of Havana Cuba probably has more pollution than all of Alberta!!

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Penner

I’m not saying everyone should burn wood just pointing out a fact and that a wood burner is an optional heating source. Furthermore if one burns wood “properly” in a modern high efficient stove efficiency is in the high 80 percentile putting them on par with older style NG furnaces. I agree the smell from a wood burner is comforting but barely detectable in a modern stove. In addition nothing like cutting down a few trees to **** off someone in BC (a bonus in my mind).



Ya thanks for pointing that out. Been trying to shake that reality out of my head for a few years now. The shaking isn’t working. For the record they did not get my vote and won’t be getting it next go-round either.

Wood burning is the worst CO2 generator.

Not only does it release tons of CO2 but removal of the growing tree removes a huge CO2 sink which a new seedling can't find close to for CO2 capture.

[79ford]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Wood burning is the worst CO2 generator.

Not only does it release tons of CO2 but removal of the growing tree removes a huge CO2 sink which a new seedling can't find close to for CO2 capture.

You dont cut down wet live trees for wood, or atleast I never did with my woodstove, the standing dead burn alittle better and the forest service wont fine the living boogers out of you for it

[hal53]

Originally Posted by 79ford

You dont cut down wet live trees for wood, or atleast I never did with my woodstove, the standing dead burn alittle better and the forest service wont fine the living boogers out of you for it

Were you using your wood stove as your primary source of heat?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by 79ford

You dont cut down wet live trees for wood, or atleast I never did with my woodstove, the standing dead burn alittle better and the forest service wont fine the living boogers out of you for it

Forestry in BC kills live trees and sells scraps for firewood.

And if you are burning any wood you are warming the earth and killing the children.

[Xiph0id]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Wood burning is the worst CO2 generator.

Not only does it release tons of CO2 but removal of the growing tree removes a huge CO2 sink which a new seedling can't find close to for CO2 capture.

I've been told that a rotting tree release the same amount of co2 as burning one, just takes longer.

Not sure if this is true.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Xiph0id

I've been told that a rotting tree release the same amount of co2 as burning one, just takes longer.

Not sure if this is true.

Not true

https://uanews.arizona.edu/story/dea...-than-expected

[Penner]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Wood burning is the worst CO2 generator.

Not only does it release tons of CO2 but removal of the growing tree removes a huge CO2 sink which a new seedling can't find close to for CO2 capture.

Your clearly missing the point. You can physically only release the amount of carbon the product contains. Burning a tree releases the same amount of carbon it consumed from the atmosphere while alive hence it’s carbon neutral. Burning all of the carbon for the other products in the list releases all of the carbon that has been stored for millions of years (at a concentrated rate) and there is nothing there to offset those outputs regardless of the fuels efficiency (non-renewable).

A new seedling is outside of the comparison but you can also re-plant a tree for every one you cut down. Good luck replanting a t-Rex.

[Fisherpeak]

Originally Posted by Penner

Ya thanks for pointing that out. Been trying to shake that reality out of my head for a few years now. The shaking isn’t working. For the record they did not get my vote and won’t be getting it next go-round either.

Well, I still get panic attacks when I see Trump called Mr. President. Should be Mr. Precident. And I never voted for these a-holes here either.
BTW, I burn wood, good dry larch, no smoke ,lots of heat.

[Don_Parsons]

All under ground gases and fuels have a higher carbon footprint then wood.

This is due to the fact that it is harder to get at, find, extract, produce, ship, ship, and ship along with distribution.

Wood is the easiest to get at from forest to fire pit.
No matter if the tree is burnt in a fire pit or rots way on the forest floor it will release the same amount of carbon.

Folks that burn wood are doing us a favour since they live life with less carbon footprint then those that don't.

Just think of all the earth born materials to make so humans can access gas and oils that produce even more carbon on top of that little lone all the shipping and other stuff in the mix.

Of course wood has its +/- to.

Nothing wrong with looking at both ideas.

Don

[The Cook]

Seeing as our western neighbor dosen't want our oil crossing their land I really don't care if all their unicorns freeze to death. Same goes for quebexico.

[Crankbait]

as we transition our coal generators to natural gas,, well you know, demand bla bla bla

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Penner

Your clearly missing the point. You can physically only release the amount of carbon the product contains. Burning a tree releases the same amount of carbon it consumed from the atmosphere while alive hence it’s carbon neutral. Burning all of the carbon for the other products in the list releases all of the carbon that has been stored for millions of years (at a concentrated rate) and there is nothing there to offset those outputs regardless of the fuels efficiency (non-renewable).

A new seedling is outside of the comparison but you can also re-plant a tree for every one you cut down. Good luck replanting a t-Rex.

And it appears you miss a key point. By your logic you burn a tree and eventually a new tree grows over time to replace.

Studies show that CO2 is what makes plants grow. The studies also show the small increased CO2 concentration in the atmosphere has caused BC forests to increase their biomass.

Therefore yes...you can burn a tree and grow a tree. You can also burn coal and grow a tree.

Back when all that carbon was above ground there was Many more plants on the earth.

You can't plant a giant tree to replace the one you cut so you are at a loss.

As for t-Rex. Not sure what you mean. Oil and gas did not come from dinosaurs. It came from plants, plankton and algae.

Plants made oil and gas and coal. The carbon can make new plants very easily.

[Fisherpeak]

[QUOTE=The Cook;3663012]Seeing as our western neighbor dosen't want our oil crossing their land I really don't care if all their unicorns freeze to death. Same goes for quebexico.[/QUOTE Look, I got no problem with pipelines EXCEPT all the oil leaves Canada and comes back as Gasoline we need. When somebody down south farts gas goes up 50 cents a litre. Why can`t we spend pipeline money on a couple refineries in Canada? Keep it here and export gas to the states? Same as shipping whole logs to China, Japan and the U.S.
We got to get our sh1t together and ship nothing but finished product. Right now we are just a prostitute and the rest of the world is our pimp.

[hillbillyreefer]

[QUOTE=Fisherpeak;3663390]

Originally Posted by The Cook

Seeing as our western neighbor dosen't want our oil crossing their land I really don't care if all their unicorns freeze to death. Same goes for quebexico.[/QUOTE Look, I got no problem with pipelines EXCEPT all the oil leaves Canada and comes back as Gasoline we need. When somebody down south farts gas goes up 50 cents a litre. Why can`t we spend pipeline money on a couple refineries in Canada? Keep it here and export gas to the states? Same as shipping whole logs to China, Japan and the U.S.
We got to get our sh1t together and ship nothing but finished product. Right now we are just a prostitute and the rest of the world is our pimp.

Yup, and the greenie anti civilization scum will let a gasoline pipeline be built? You’re delusional. Oil pipelines supposedly aren’t safe, what will they say about distillates in a pipeline?

It’s time for Alberta to cause B.C. some economic pain.

[357xp]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Wood burning is the worst CO2 generator.

Not only does it release tons of CO2 but removal of the growing tree removes a huge CO2 sink which a new seedling can't find close to for CO2 capture.

peat more efficient than wood
where i make firewood there's at least 10 trees that grow back per tree that i take down, and they grow fast. all i need is a small woodlot to heat part of my home and shop. totally renewable no pipelines needed.
these new woodstoves barely smoke at all, kinda disappointing.....
#greenenergy #renewableenergy

[hillbillyreefer]

—20C this morning, woodstove is purring away keeping the family warm. I couldn’t care less what’s going out the chimney, we haven’t frozen to death, and the NDP haven’t figured out how to Tax it......yet.

[The Cook]

[QUOTE=hillbillyreefer;3663442]

Originally Posted by Fisherpeak

Yup, and the greenie anti civilization scum will let a gasoline pipeline be built? You’re delusional. Oil pipelines supposedly aren’t safe, what will they say about distillates in a pipeline?

It’s time for Alberta to cause B.C. some economic pain.

Used to be the West stood up to the East but now Alberta and Sask. seem to be an island of their own. Started the stove with a couple of aspen logs to quick heat the house and then damp her down with a couple of pine rounds.

[Penner]

Originally Posted by Fisherpeak

Well, I still get panic attacks when I see Trump called Mr. President. Should be Mr. Precident. And I never voted for these a-holes here either. BTW, I burn wood, good dry larch, no smoke ,lots of heat.

I'm not a Trump fan either. To erratic, not rational, a bully, and a attention ***** basically. Balance is the key in my opinion.

Originally Posted by The Cook

Seeing as our western neighbour doesn't want our oil crossing their land I really don't care if all their unicorns freeze to death. Same goes for quebexico.

Couldn't agree more.

[Scott h]

[QUOTE=hillbillyreefer;3663442]

Originally Posted by Fisherpeak

Yup, and the greenie anti civilization scum will let a gasoline pipeline be built? You’re delusional. Oil pipelines supposedly aren’t safe, what will they say about distillates in a pipeline?

It’s time for Alberta to cause B.C. some economic pain.

Fair enough but are you okay when grain shipments are halted to the Vancouver docks ? It could turn into a tit for tat that escalates.

[Fisherpeak]

[QUOTE=hillbillyreefer;3663442]

Originally Posted by Fisherpeak

Yup, and the greenie anti civilization scum will let a gasoline pipeline be built? You’re delusional. Oil pipelines supposedly aren’t safe, what will they say about distillates in a pipeline?

It’s time for Alberta to cause B.C. some economic pain.

This was his idiot quote , not mine. Don`t know how he crapped his stupidness on me. Nice one Hillbilly, owe you one.

[hillbillyreefer]

[QUOTE=Scott h;3663585]

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

Fair enough but are you okay when grain shipments are halted to the Vancouver docks ? It could turn into a tit for tat that escalates.

Short term pain for long term gain.
A large percentage of NE BC energy production flows through Alberta we could start there. Then blockade the tracks for a few days, all those containers full of imported junk would pile up quickly. It only seems fair, BC screws us we screw you. Obviously the “social license” crap we are paying for didn’t work for us, maybe causing regular British Colombians a little pain would send the message that we are all in this together.

It’s time for AB and SK to slap the tat on BCs tit.

[fishtank]

iam sure there a nice board seat waiting for these anti oil/natural gas politician in a Canadian electric utilities company

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by 357xp

peat more efficient than wood
where i make firewood there's at least 10 trees that grow back per tree that i take down, and they grow fast. all i need is a small woodlot to heat part of my home and shop. totally renewable no pipelines needed.
these new woodstoves barely smoke at all, kinda disappointing.....
#greenenergy #renewableenergy

Peat likely pertains to the peat in Ireland versus our peat moss.

It is still a common fuel and burns surprisingly well.

[Richmuiz]

I'm in Kamloops gas is 1.39 I don't even want to know what it is in Vancouver 1.39 is insane.

[JonBoy]

$1.39/liter is readily available here in Vancouver area right now but some are 1.41 or even more (in Langley). Actual metro Vancouver will be even higher, of course.

I fill up in Washington now. I filled up at $2.59/gallon USD (about $0.83/liter) last week and my regular spots just across the border are usually $2.79 to $2.99/gallon (about $0.95/liter at worst). Vancouver has a $0.17/liter tax all by itself, which is brutal...

I miss my Alberta fuel prices! And house prices! And lower income taxes! And lower vehicle taxes (12% on USED vehicle sales from a private individual here)! But I love the weather, the scenery, the easy access to the USA and the mild winters. Haven't tried the hunting yet - I'll get into that next year...