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BC cost to heat home skyrocketing
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...aver-1.4380417
I hope this isn't coming to Alberta.
Give me natural gas any day.
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The NDP fix a broken system? I’ll believe it when I see it.
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11-01-2017, 07:07 AM
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Good motivation to burn wood, but wood probably releases more carbon, so it should backfire nicely for the NDGreens.
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I hear that B.C vehicle insurance is taking another jump. Is that true?
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11-01-2017, 07:24 AM
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Good motivation to burn wood, but wood probably releases more carbon, so it should backfire nicely for the NDGreens.
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I am sure they will ban burning wood or make it more expensive some how.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/britis...says-1.4370370
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11-01-2017, 07:28 AM
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11-01-2017, 09:19 AM
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That is not bad for the annual cost of natural gas. My natural gas costs me more than that annually here in Alberta
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Can't have NG in BC it comes it requires pipelines
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That is not bad for the annual cost of natural gas. My natural gas costs me more than that annually here in Alberta
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Yes, but the chart is likely showing natural gas consumption only and ignoring the myriad of nickel & diming delivery and admin fees. Also with the milder weather on the coast they simply burn less (the chart was only for Vancouver and the Sunshine Coast)
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We built a bunch of houses here and there was no natural gas in the community, all electric heat. They are paying $400 a month plus through the winter... No thanks.
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Good motivation to burn wood, but wood probably releases more carbon, so it should backfire nicely for the NDGreens.
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Wood burning is considered “green house gas netrual” as the wood a person burns from a tree only emits the same amount of CO2 the tree took-in while it was alive. Additionally trees are renewable, other fuels not so much.
As far as I’m concerned I hope those whom voted for socialist government get what’s coming to them. Tax the **** out of B.C. For those in BC whom voted otherwise come on over to Alberta.
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11-01-2017, 12:48 PM
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Everyone wants to heat their home with gas instead of electricity and run their car on electricity instead of gasoline.
Makes as much sense as banning tobacco while legalizing weed.
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Originally Posted by Penner
Wood burning is considered “green house gas netrual” as the wood a person burns from a tree only emits the same amount of CO2 the tree took-in while it was alive. Additionally trees are renewable, other fuels not so much.
As far as I’m concerned I hope those whom voted for socialist government get what’s coming to them. Tax the **** out of B.C. For those in BC whom voted otherwise come on over to Alberta.
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If everyone burnt wood stoves the haze would be terrible in the winter. Right now it's nice to smell the odd wood stove when walking around. Could you imagine if everyone was doing it.
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11-01-2017, 03:25 PM
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Penner Have you forgotten that you have the same socialist D-bags governing Alberta?? Your increased taxes will be just as bad, just wait and see.
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I hear that B.C vehicle insurance is taking another jump. Is that true?
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Yes - 6.4% for basic insurance 
Another reason B.C. means "bring cash". 
Going to have to go back to work soon - my pension cheques are not going as far as they used to. Good thing my mortgage is paid off !!
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If everyone burnt wood stoves the haze would be terrible in the winter. [...].
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Yep, and that's because they're not doing it right. Choking down a wood fire with a damper makes it smolder and smoke, instead of using lots of air/oxygen to burn it hot and clean.
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11-01-2017, 03:53 PM
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Everyone wants to heat their home with gas instead of electricity and run their car on electricity instead of gasoline.
Makes as much sense as banning tobacco while legalizing weed.
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Smartest post this year.
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A lady in Edmonton said us humans don't need fossil fuels.
She dosen't because she rides the bus.
The cost of living in Canada will be very expensive in years to come.
The sad part is that we're not even there yet.
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Originally Posted by Penner
Wood burning is considered “green house gas netrual” as the wood a person burns from a tree only emits the same amount of CO2 the tree took-in while it was alive. Additionally trees are renewable, other fuels not so much.
As far as I’m concerned I hope those whom voted for socialist government get what’s coming to them. Tax the **** out of B.C. For those in BC whom voted otherwise come on over to Alberta.
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Where you dummies voted for NDP too??? Give your head a shake.
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11-01-2017, 04:48 PM
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You would have to be nuts to switch to electric heat in the first place, hahahaha, anyone that dumb deserves a big power bill so the government can recoup some money for paying for the healthcare costs associated with you being born lol
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11-01-2017, 05:08 PM
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The biggest crime is building, heating and powering all these standalone, monster-sized detached houses in our extreme climate. And with the huge, excessive overpopulation we have now.
If this was back in 1880, with 50,000 total people in Alberta, it would all be a trivial drop in the bucket. Not so, anymore. When you cram so many people today together in massive metro ex-urbs, you can't afford to have 3500 square feet of standalone dwellings for a few marrieds and kids spread all over the place. Worst egoistical BS there is. If you want to heat all that you deserve to pay through the nose.
Keeping all dwellings tight beside each other with no outside air spaces, reducing the square footage to something reasonable, and using lots of insulation will reduce heating and other service costs by more than half. Cutting down on unnecessary 3rd-world immigration wouldn't hurt either.
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11-01-2017, 05:45 PM
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The NDP fix a broken system? I’ll believe it when I see it.
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News flash they broke it. Just hiding it for now. Stayed tuned.
Governments picking winners and losers never works.
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11-01-2017, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Penner
Wood burning is considered “green house gas netrual” as the wood a person burns from a tree only emits the same amount of CO2 the tree took-in while it was alive. Additionally trees are renewable, other fuels not so much.
As far as I’m concerned I hope those whom voted for socialist government get what’s coming to them. Tax the **** out of B.C. For those in BC whom voted otherwise come on over to Alberta.
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Greenhouse gas neutral. Ha.
45 pounds of fine particulates per mbtu for a wood burner.
Natural gas is like .00087lbs per mbtu.
Van island is built on solid rock so most places are too impractical to have the Pipelines to provide nat gas.
Residents are just getting gouged becuse the companies can. Same with us here on getting gouged for natural gas.
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11-01-2017, 07:28 PM
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11-01-2017, 08:15 PM
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you could always go to burnco and buy bc birch...if natural gas gets to expensive .
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The NDP fix a broken system? I’ll believe it when I see it.
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you mean fix or "fix"?
The NDP has a long and colourful history fixing many other provinces.
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11-01-2017, 09:14 PM
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you mean fix or "fix"?
The NDP has a long and colourful history fixing many other provinces.
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Yeah I don’t want their version of fixing.
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Originally Posted by Mr Conservation
Yes - 6.4% for basic insurance
Another reason B.C. means "bring cash".
Going to have to go back to work soon - my pension cheques are not going as far as they used to. Good thing my mortgage is paid off !!
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Could cut back to 1 vehicle..or even get rid of them all and take the bus, ride a bike or jog. 
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Greenhouse gas neutral. Ha.
45 pounds of fine particulates per mbtu for a wood burner.
Natural gas is like .00087lbs per mbtu.
Van island is built on solid rock so most places are too impractical to have the Pipelines to provide nat gas.
Residents are just getting gouged becuse the companies can. Same with us here on getting gouged for natural gas.
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Intresting point looking at it from that angle,,, I wonder what other ways there are to look at the big picture.
Kinda nice to explore beyond what is not seen behind the making of a system.
Of course one might want to add in the carbon footprint of fuel for exploration, survey, the road, lease, drilling rig, service rig, trucking, pipe line, natural gas plant, electricity from a carbon footprint hydro dam, power lines to run the compressor stations unless they fuel them selves with natural gas that adds more carbon footprint on top of that.
Next is distribution, more services from and to on top of furnace and more electricity.
Lots of coal was used to make "all" the iron, might add in the carbon footprint of that along with all the gas and diesel to build the whole net-work from exploration to the fumes at the house at the tail end.
This is not saying that a chain saw, truck, wood stove and all the iron, fuel and extras on that stuff "most likely" would add up to about the same if not close over all footprint.
Once added up the numbers would be pretty close.
The only advantage is the system that is the most efficient to reap the rewards of getting the best bang for the buck.
That's what really counts.
Yes friendly to the environment since ones picks and chooses what is the lesser of over all carbon footprint.
If the price and carbon tax goes up on natural gas, then it might be wise to choose wood since there is nill for tax on it.
Don't need a pipe or power line to burn wood at the end users home to have heat.
Of course humans will always add numbers up to have the favour on their sides of what ever it is. All stuff has a carbon footprint.
Many under lying factors on the table that folks over look.
Everything comes from some source some where. It needs to be turned into something to be used or useful.
More or less saying that EVERYTHING IS CARBON FOOTPRINT now days... At least the higher % of it in my world.
Tonight the Carbon foot Don sleeps well, the heat source that fuels my dreams is worth its price from any source it comes from.
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Cuddling makes babies and then your going to pay big time....best just cut and burn wood...heats the body twice.
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