Bill 6 rammed through

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by amosfella

I should have been clearer in the first post. Have a petition for a referendum for a yes or no vote to dissolve the current government and have a new general election.

That will get their attention...

No!

[Grizzly Adams]

Have a feeling there is going to be more of this before they're done. As somebody said yesterday, they're hearing but not listening.

Grizz

[neekrivers]

Isn't this a good thing, protecting workers? I can not find why this is bad besides some farmers saying it going to hurt them. How will this hurt farms and how they operate, imo it would make for safer conditions for the workers, no? Please explain to me how this is bad.

[guywiththemule]

Originally Posted by neekrivers

Isn't this a good thing, protecting workers? I can not find why this is bad besides some farmers saying it going to hurt them. How will this hurt farms and how they operate, imo it would make for safer conditions for the workers, no? Please explain to me how this is bad.

One word; UNION .Second word; DECEPTION . It was for "the children", REMEMBER ??? If you cannot see this for what it is then keep on voting and backing the communists and enjoy the decline.

[Sashi]

Originally Posted by neekrivers

Isn't this a good thing, protecting workers? I can not find why this is bad besides some farmers saying it going to hurt them. How will this hurt farms and how they operate, imo it would make for safer conditions for the workers, no? Please explain to me how this is bad.

Farmers don't have any control over the price they get for their goods, Therefore the extra costs of meeting new regulations is not recoverable. Hense the end of family farms.

[alacringa]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

Have a feeling there is going to be more of this before they're done. As somebody said yesterday, they're hearing but not listening.

The NDP has an agenda, and with a majority gov't they're going to push it through, and to hell with anyone who tries to get in their way. They may never be elected again; but the province may never recover from the 4 years we're stuck with them.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by raab

This, people also not knowing how our legislative system works and fear mongering by the WRP didn't help the situation.

Just what the HELL does the so called fear mongering by the WRP have to do with this bill getting rammed through even tough it was opposed by so many??
As was said the night of the election, all we can do now is watch this place burn for the next four years and watch our groceries go sky high!
Cat

[hal53]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Just what the HELL does the so called fear mongering by the WRP have to do with this bill getting rammed through even tough it was opposed by so many??
As was said the night of the election, all we can do now is watch this place burn for the next four years and watch our groceries go sky high!
Cat

Just got our copy of the area newspaper....1/2 page Ad from a company looking for land to install wind turbines not the best timing?

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Donkey Oatey

What a bunch of whining ninnys.

Same thing happened under the PC with bills for public safety and others.

The ruling government is ruling. That is what was elected. Same arguments were dismissed as lefty libertard whining after PC's won and after Harper won but now that it is the NDP the world is coming to an end.

Make your voice heard, especially at the next election. Write the premier, write your MLA, write the minister. Make them work for it.

Originally Posted by Donkey Oatey

Just pointing out the hypocrisy of the situation.

Gotta love it when the shoe is on the other foot. (and in some case that foot is firmly planted up someones ........ keester )

I'll call your BS bluff, and I am no fan of the PC's. Show me a recent example of where the other provinicial government rammed a Bill through without any public consult, and after this degree of anger and opposition.

Oh......there was none. Because as crooked and lefty they became in the end, they at least knew how to do their job. These schmucks are so beyond incapable it makes one want to puke.

[Kanonfodder]

Originally Posted by raab

This, people also not knowing how our legislative system works and fear mongering by the WRP didn't help the situation.

What fear mongering? I'd love to know specifics

[coreya3212]

Originally Posted by neekrivers

Isn't this a good thing, protecting workers? I can not find why this is bad besides some farmers saying it going to hurt them. How will this hurt farms and how they operate, imo it would make for safer conditions for the workers, no? Please explain to me how this is bad.

How does the bill protect workers?

[farmer60]

Originally Posted by neekrivers

Isn't this a good thing, protecting workers? I can not find why this is bad besides some farmers saying it going to hurt them. How will this hurt farms and how they operate, imo it would make for safer conditions for the workers, no? Please explain to me how this is bad.

Spoken as would 90% of AB voters. Maybe an uncle or grandfather had rural work experience, but, far removed from how farm work gets done, and rural community. Not saying farmers can't improve safe work methods, no such word as can't. WC is a sad attempt to look after a worker AFTER the injury. In most cases, we already have better insurance. The fear is the infamous inspectors that ride WC coats. A farmer's cost and frustration to bring up all farm work sites to O/F industry standards, would cause many, if not most, to throw in the towel. Utter loss of historic family farm. Compliance is something that non-farm industry has become used to, and you wonder why farmers can't get used to it also. Cost of production would go up, but that is only your money, as a consumer. But red necks like us could not, will not, and history has proven should not conform. Farm families for decades, have worked very effectively, efficiently, and without squawks, in our non compliant farms with injury records typical of other relatively dangerous occupations (one must separate out play incidences from statics). Farmers pay their spouse, and sons and daughters as workers, so I'm afraid to separate family farms from corporate farms would take some discussion. If I've helped in your question, good. If you really didn't want an answer, oh well maybe somebody did.

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by neekrivers

Isn't this a good thing, protecting workers? I can not find why this is bad besides some farmers saying it going to hurt them. How will this hurt farms and how they operate, imo it would make for safer conditions for the workers, no? Please explain to me how this is bad.

Farming is not a job, it's gambling with a lot of things. In the end you hope to come out ahead, lot of the time you don't. Everything may go well, but most of what you're producing is sold on the Commodities market, the logic is, the better the supply, the lower the price. Then there's the weather, which all to often deals you a bad hand. Last thing a farmer needs is sticking government its nose in his business. Done the WCB thing, paper work to no end, last thing a farmer needs. As for worker safety, legislation can not fix stupidity, which is the most common cause of accidents.

Grizz

[kevinhits]

What amazes me is how the farming industry has been running for hundreds of years and along comes the new NDP and decides to screw and upset the apple cart....I support the farmers and keep fighting

[deerassassin]

Raab you should take your left wing bull**** else where

[Z7Extreme]

A quick question to all you lefty lovetards! If this was a good bill then why would all farmers and all their payed farm workers be totally against it? The only people who think this is a good idea have nothing to do with farming. Get your heads outta your a** and stick your little brown nose somwhere else!!!

[Donkey Oatey]

Originally Posted by rem338win

I'll call your BS bluff, and I am no fan of the PC's. Show me a recent example of where the other provinicial government rammed a Bill through without any public consult, and after this degree of anger and opposition.

Oh......there was none. Because as crooked and lefty they became in the end, they at least knew how to do their job. These schmucks are so beyond incapable it makes one want to puke.

REALLY

Did you miss bills 45 and 46? That is just off the top of my head. That one had TONS of consultations /sarcasm.

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=201130

Governments all push through bills that are not popular with very little consultation. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

Hell after the previous federal election the lefties on Facebook were all talking about how everyone would have a f-35 in the driveway. Same dribble, but now it is even worse.

[Donkey Oatey]

Originally Posted by kevinhits

What amazes me is how the farming industry has been running for hundreds of years and along comes the new NDP and decides to screw and upset the apple cart....I support the farmers and keep fighting

The PC's tried working on it for 6yrs.

Hell they are even saying they were close to having the rules.

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/201.../#.Vmow1b-AmSo

Ya cause only the NDP make this mess /sarcasm

*edit

I see they played bait and switch on the article on me.

[coreya3212]

At the town hall meeting I attended, one of the excuses for this ridiculous bill cited was the Supreme Court if canada stating that all workers have the right to unionize, and currently farm workers cannot. Can anyone shed any light on this? True or false...or any insight.

[lead chucker]

I'm gonna love it when all land owners are going to want to see your wildrose membership card in order to access their land for hunting or hiking.....love it.

[cover]

If this does not demonstrate that no matter the color of tie our elected "leaders" wear that there is a hidden hand at work , then I am not sure what will. And yes , I am PROUDLY wearing my stylish foil hat.

[Talking moose]

More like rammed deep.

[dfarms11]

Originally Posted by kevinhits

What amazes me is how the farming industry has been running for hundreds of years and along comes the new NDP and decides to screw and upset the apple cart....I support the farmers and keep fighting

But "we've been asking for this for the last hundred years" don't ya know!

NOT!

[farmer60]

Originally Posted by coreya3212

At the town hall meeting I attended, one of the excuses for this ridiculous bill cited was the Supreme Court if canada stating that all workers have the right to unionize, and currently farm workers cannot. Can anyone shed any light on this? True or false...or any insight.

Can't claim to have read the bill, but it is common gov't practice to insert quite non-related things in legislation. Our new premier and ag min have extensive experience in labor relations (Unions). Supposedly, recently, Supreme Judges put a check mark on the right for ag workers to unionize. I hear such is in Bill 6. Another tidbit supposedly included, is removal of surface rights wrt our green energy alternative wind mills. If I'm wrong, I welcome correction.

[praire hunter]

all this talk of protecting underpaid vulnerable farm workers, I would like to know where they came up with farm workers being under paid, spineless idiots.
I am a farm worker and like most others I am paid well, I will and have refused to do things that I feel are dangerous to myself or others, and so far
I have yet to be fired for it.
when I was managing the cattle end of a large mixed farm, had 2 employees under me, there was a strict standing order that who ever was doing night checks during calving, was to call me no matter what time of the night, if they ran into a cow with a aggressive attitude, and I would come in and deal with it.
and I don't think there are many farm owners who wouldn't do the same.
now I have asked several mla,s how many employees were consulted on this bill, guess what? none could or would answer. may be a bit off topic, but had to rant.

[ForwardBias]

Originally Posted by lead chucker

I'm gonna love it when all land owners are going to want to see your wildrose membership card in order to access their land for hunting or hiking.....love it.

That's an effort I can get behind!

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by hal53

either way, apparently in his mind the rural folk better start sucking up to people like him......

No need to suck up. Maybe just stop insulting and looking down your nose at your fellow citizens, whose help you need.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Sashi

Farmers don't have any control over the price they get for their goods, Therefore the extra costs of meeting new regulations is not recoverable. Hense the end of family farms.

And that's different than most businesses how? Oil companies clearly have no control over the price of oil. should we de-isnure their workers under wcb and suspend health and safety regulations? I don't hear one energy company advocating that.

And let me be clear, if a farm has no paid workers, I'm fine with them being totally exempt from all this. My only concern is with the farm as a business entity that has paid workers who aren't family. If it's you and the wife and kids, you should be exempt.

One interesting tidbit. A friend in government said "Bill 6 was in the works long before the NDP became the government."

[cover]

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/12/0...red-followers/

[schmedlap]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

The Fuher has made it clear, that we are powerless to stop her. Resistance is futile, we will be assimilated.

From now on I will refer to them as "the Borg".