Kenney wins PC leadership

[raab]

Originally Posted by HyperMOA

So Harper is a hard no, but anyone else that is an actual corrupted lifetime politician, (Kenney) is OK?

As I said I fully expect Jean to lead a united party not Kenney. If Kenney was elected I'd probably look elsewhere. Kenney will be involved on some level but I dont see him winning the leadership election. Most WRP supporters I talk to are happy with the job Brian is doing.

[6.5 shooter]

Wild rose, Brian Jean as leader.. Derick Hildebrand as VP, Jason K as secretary all would be good

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter

Wild rose, Brian Jean as leader.. Derick Hildebrand as VP, Jason K as secretary all would be good

I have no problem with Kenney in a supporting role to Jean. I will be meeting with my WR MLA to let him know that my continued WR support depends on keeping Kenney out of the top spot.

[Iron Brew]

Originally Posted by jaylow?

if the wild rose and PC join , making a Jason kenney a leader I will toss my membership straight in the garbage. This is the lap dog that brought the TFW program to its shining glory and don't think the boys in the patch will ever forget that for one second. Brian Jean is the leader of the opposition and Kenney the leader of a party that was all but destroyed with the rise of the NDP . Lets keep that in mind , people are acting like the wild rose need to get together with the PCs when its completely the other way around , if a merger is what is needed ,Jason kenney will be the real obstacle in making that happen. Jason Kenney's real passion is Jason Kenney

Yup. Jason Kenney is not the friend of workers. Not a fan.

[TOFIC]

well, a good idea but Mr Kenny's proposal does not surprise me in the least.

This is the ONLY way that the PC's have a chance at any survival as a party, let alone govern this province, they have to join (note i said join) the Wildrose to survive. As their elected people, ( how many 5?) don't amount too much and I see no hope of any increases in the future. Let's look at two scenarios

1. one party scenario
this may help the both party's fortune but I can see no real gain here. the 5 or 6 people that Mr Kenny could bring into the union would make little difference as I see the Wildrose would get this gain, may be more, on their own. As to the PC's gaining any seats would be minimal as people still have the foul taste of the Prentice/Redford legacy in their memory. Mr Kenny must do something radical to ensure the survival of the PC party. Therefore, is this a survival move on Mr Kenny's part???

2. two party scenario

this one is completely possible and I can see some unique things about it. it gives the voters a choice of 2 parties with more responsible policies in governing. it gives the PC's a chance to restructure and clean up their house for the next election. it gives the Wildrose a chance to really make headway as now they have some experience in government. experience in any job is good for all concerned. there can lots to be said about this

"but we get a divided government, it gets nothing done"

whoa, what's wrong with a minority government? a Wildrose leading party with the PC support in most areas of concern is nothing but good for all concerned. the give and take the 2 parties would adopt would be good as it gives different views on any scenario that arises. get nothing done? - - lots would get done as both party's generally think alike. the few differences would be beneficial as it really makes everyone look at a piece of legislation. their common ground on the carbon tax (oops Levy i have been informed) and their common desire to get rid of it. there are other examples this is just one (think devastation of the coal industry, and jobs and economics that went down the drain)

No Mr. Kenny, i can not see your "unite the right" movement as little more than a last ditch attempt to ensure some survival of the PC party, or a way for you to get rid of a sinking ship with some chance of survival of some part of the PC legacy.

TOFIC

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by jaylow?

if the wild rose and PC join , making a Jason kenney a leader I will toss my membership straight in the garbage. This is the lap dog that brought the TFW program to its shining glory and don't think the boys in the patch will ever forget that for one second. Brian Jean is the leader of the opposition and Kenney the leader of a party that was all but destroyed with the rise of the NDP . Lets keep that in mind , people are acting like the wild rose need to get together with the PCs when its completely the other way around , if a merger is what is needed ,Jason kenney will be the real obstacle in making that happen. Jason Kenney's real passion is Jason Kenney

Exactly!

[Badgerbadger]

The ego's involved indicate to me that Kenny and Jean will not unite peacefully, and WR will foster an alt right party, while the PC's will foster a far right party, leaving the middle open to a refurbished Liberal party, or more likely Greg Clark's Alberta party.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

The ego's involved indicate to me that Kenny and Jean will not unite peacefully, and WR will foster an alt right party, while the PC's will foster a far right party, leaving the middle open to a refurbished Liberal party, or more likely Greg Clark's Alberta party.

Please explain to me in detail how the WR are Alt-Right? Have you even looked at their policies? The PC's are far from anything on the right being infiltrated with Liberal and NDP supporters over the last 40 years.

[Sooner]

I can't see Kenney being second fiddle To Brian. WR is the official opposition as per the voters. As mentioned, the PC brand was crushed. Kenney and his group should ask to join the WR not merge, field candidates that will win under the WR banner.

They can always have a leadership review after Brian Jean gets to steer the ship. I think he has shown his commitment to AB. He should get the next swing at Bat.

Kenney can wait his turn while helping the party boot Nutley. Kenney seems to be thinking like Mr Prentice, he can drop in, march to the leaders chair and save the day.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by raab

Please explain to me in detail how the WR are Alt-Right? Have you even looked at their policies? The PC's are far from anything on the right being infiltrated with Liberal and NDP supporters over the last 40 years.

The WR Rebel Media fans will go alt-right. It's not that difficult to comprehend. There's a certain fan-base that doesn't mind their misoginy, xenophobia. You should check out their website some time.

Kenny has shown he is socially regressive and fiscally austere. No surprise where he'll try to drive the party.

The original PC's under Lougheed were about where the NDP are now, and took a turn further right under Getty and Klein. They tended back towards center under Stelmach and went a little left under Redford, taking a hard right again under Prentice.

Please provide proof of "infiltration". That'd be interesting if you could support your claim.

[Okotokian]

IF the PC's buckle and accept Jean's demand that they accept the WR structure and principles, it won't matter a darn who the Leader is. They will have their feet cut out from under them by the behind-the-scenes guys like every WR leader has had done to them. The Leader can make all kinds of nice middle of the road announcements, and the reactionary group will reverse it at the next meeting.

My preference: PC's and WR come together as the "Conservative" party of Alberta and basically adopt a "Harperian" approach to governance. Fiscally conservative, freedom oriented, socially middle of the road/leave things alone. Socially we don't need "social engineering" but we don't need the clocks turned back either (except in the fall LOL)

I don't mind Jean. But I don't mind Kenney either. I think he was progressive in a useful way when he was in charge of immigration. He built a lot of inroads with immigrant groups and wrestled them away from the Liberals. Not many Conservatives have managed to do that.

Who's going to be better at a bare knuckles debate and battle with Notley? Kenney.

Also, consider this.... Which structure and Leader would be better able staunch the flow of people in the middle to the Liberals or NDP? If it looks like the combined party is just really Wildrose, with their structure, their principles, and their leader, I think the flow out will be significant. It has to look like AND BE a merger of equals. BOTH parties need to consider what they can compromise on. If the answer is "nothing", then there will be no merger.

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

The ego's involved indicate to me that Kenny and Jean will not unite peacefully, and WR will foster an alt right party, while the PC's will foster a far right party, leaving the middle open to a refurbished Liberal party, or more likely Greg Clark's Alberta party.

Kenny will bring his old nut job buddies Ezra and Anders back home - actually they probably already have new jobs - again.

The resurrected old PC`s are still on Manning Centre life support and they won`t attract new younger voters.

It`s a movement of old boys (and very few old girls) that just want to get power back - they`re all on some kind of old political opportunists Viagra.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

The WR Rebel Media fans will go alt-right. It's not that difficult to comprehend. There's a certain fan-base that doesn't mind their misoginy, xenophobia. You should check out their website some time.

Kenny has shown he is socially regressive and fiscally austere. No surprise where he'll try to drive the party.

The original PC's under Lougheed were about where the NDP are now, and took a turn further right under Getty and Klein. They tended back towards center under Stelmach and went a little left under Redford, taking a hard right again under Prentice.

Please provide proof of "infiltration". That'd be interesting if you could support your claim.

The Rebel is a media outlet, and is not endorsed by the WRP. I don't see any reason for bringing it up. Sure there are people in the party who may support the Rebel. But saying that the party is alt-right because a few individuals who watch it is very disingenuous when looking at the party platform and policies. It'd be like me saying the NDP are Communist dictators because Notley has a Che Guevara watch. Also regarding misogyny and xenophobia, last time I checked the WRP had people running from both sexes and differing religious view points. So don't give me that crap and put it on the party. It hasnt been that way in probably 8 years.

As far as Lougheed is concerned, putting his name even in the same sentence as the NDP is a disgrace. Lougheed wanted to grow the HTSF to the point that we could get rid of income tax. Notley is driving us so far into debt that we'll be lucky if we're not giving 80-90% of everything we earn to the government. Shes following her party's constitution to a T. People really need to look into what they're voting for. The concerning sentence with regards to sportsmen and agricultural producers should be this: "Consequently, we have to view other species not as resources for human wants, but as respected members of earth's living family." Sounds like something straight from PETA.

As far as infiltration look at Sandra Jansen. This was someone who was running for leadership of the PC party. She then proceeds to cross the floor to the NDP! No conservative in their right mind would EVER cross the floor to the NDP. If you're a progressive I could see maybe going Liberal or Alberta Party, but never the NDP. Then you have Jeffrey Rath who wanted to get Kenney thrown out of the leadership race. Rath is a Liberal at heart and would rather see the Conservative vote split again so that the NDP or Liberals can win the next election. The whole party has a wretched smell and needs to be shut down. To many liberal elites at the top telling the grass roots how it will be. This was the MAIN reason the WRP was formed, so that grass root supporters could have their voice heard.

[Rumtan]

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/03...pc-leadership/

Coincidence.........?

[raab]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

IF the PC's buckle and accept Jean's demand that they accept the WR structure and principles, it won't matter a darn who the Leader is. They will have their feet cut out from under them by the behind-the-scenes guys like every WR leader has had done to them. The Leader can make all kinds of nice middle of the road announcements, and the reactionary group will reverse it at the next meeting.

My preference: PC's and WR come together as the "Conservative" party of Alberta and basically adopt a "Harperian" approach to governance. Fiscally conservative, freedom oriented, socially middle of the road/leave things alone. Socially we don't need "social engineering" but we don't need the clocks turned back either (except in the fall LOL)

I don't mind Jean. But I don't mind Kenney either. I think he was progressive in a useful way when he was in charge of immigration. He built a lot of inroads with immigrant groups and wrestled them away from the Liberals. Not many Conservatives have managed to do that.

Who's going to be better at a bare knuckles debate and battle with Notley? Kenney.

Also, consider this.... Which structure and Leader would be better able staunch the flow of people in the middle to the Liberals or NDP? If it looks like the combined party is just really Wildrose, with their structure, their principles, and their leader, I think the flow out will be significant. It has to look like AND BE a merger of equals. BOTH parties need to consider what they can compromise on. If the answer is "nothing", then there will be no merger.

Theres nothing equal about it, the merger is for the 70% of PC supporters who also support the WR. The 30% of PC supporters who have progressive views can go coddle the socialist NDP.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by raab

Theres nothing equal about it, the merger is for the 70% of PC supporters who also support the WR. The 30% of PC supporters who have progressive views can go coddle the socialist NDP.

If 70% of PC'ers support WR they would already be there and no merger would be necessary.

The problem many WR members have is that they think everyone thinks like them. But if that were the case we would be talking about Premier Jean, wouldn't we?

I don't know if there is really a difference between the PC's and WR, but members of both parties think there is. Otherwise there would not be two parties. So they had better do something to bridge the gap. Both sides will have to compromise on a few things.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

If 70% of PC'ers support WR they would already be there and no merger would be necessary.

The problem many WR members have is that they think everyone thinks like them. But if that were the case we would be talking about Premier Jean, wouldn't we?

I don't know if there is really a difference between the PC's and WR, but members of both parties think there is. Otherwise there would not be two parties. So they had better do something to bridge the gap. Both sides will have to compromise on a few things.

You can believe what you want but I'm telling you 70% of PC supporters also support the WRP. There's a reason Kenney won with 75% of the vote to merge the parties, which will effectively be disbanding the PC party. The differences in parties are that the WRP is a grassroots led party that governs similar to how Klein would govern although they a bit more to the left. Where as the PC's are a top down driven party, that have gone Liberal and spend crazy thanks to 44 years in government and the infiltration of liberals and socialists into the party.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by raab

The Rebel is a media outlet, and is not endorsed by the WRP. I don't see any reason for bringing it up. Sure there are people in the party who may support the Rebel. But saying that the party is alt-right because a few individuals who watch it is very disingenuous when looking at the party platform and policies. It'd be like me saying the NDP are Communist dictators because Notley has a Che Guevara watch. Also regarding misogyny and xenophobia, last time I checked the WRP had people running from both sexes and differing religious view points. So don't give me that crap and put it on the party. It hasnt been that way in probably 8 years.

As far as Lougheed is concerned, putting his name even in the same sentence as the NDP is a disgrace. Lougheed wanted to grow the HTSF to the point that we could get rid of income tax. Notley is driving us so far into debt that we'll be lucky if we're not giving 80-90% of everything we earn to the government. Shes following her party's constitution to a T. People really need to look into what they're voting for. The concerning sentence with regards to sportsmen and agricultural producers should be this: "Consequently, we have to view other species not as resources for human wants, but as respected members of earth's living family." Sounds like something straight from PETA.

As far as infiltration look at Sandra Jansen. This was someone who was running for leadership of the PC party. She then proceeds to cross the floor to the NDP! No conservative in their right mind would EVER cross the floor to the NDP. If you're a progressive I could see maybe going Liberal or Alberta Party, but never the NDP. Then you have Jeffrey Rath who wanted to get Kenney thrown out of the leadership race. Rath is a Liberal at heart and would rather see the Conservative vote split again so that the NDP or Liberals can win the next election. The whole party has a wretched smell and needs to be shut down. To many liberal elites at the top telling the grass roots how it will be. This was the MAIN reason the WRP was formed, so that grass root supporters could have their voice heard.

I don't care what the two parties end up being called. There's a split right now, on the right.

And yes, I'll call them xenophobes and misogynists, as I've spent enough time on Brian Jean, and D-Fib and other WR MLA's social media to see a large number of comments that would support that judgement.

The rebel aligns with them, and they with it. They appear at functions and protests together, frequently.

Your partisan view is clouding your thought process, or you never read much about Lougheed and his politics. (BTW, the HTSF has gained 2 billion dollars since the NDP were elected, which is WAY better economic performance than going from $8billion when Lougheed left, to $17billion when the PC's were voted out.)

Your support of your assertion holds no water. Sandra Janzen was a card carrying PC, and ran for the leadership of that party. Do you have any evidence that she belonged to any other party, or had any other political afiliation? Same with Rath. He was invoking a clause from the party's own regulations surrounding destruction of the Alberta Progressive Conservatives by a member/members. These two examples you use are just weak innuendo.

Having said that, there are a lot of moderates, or as you would call them "liberal elites" wandering around Alberta, with no real party afiliation, just voting for whoever seems to be most reasonable ever 4 or 5 years.

I fully support the WR and Kenny PC's trying to unite their version of the right! I hope the battle is long and hard!

You seriously should read about the collapse of the SoCred dynasty.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

I don't care what the two parties end up being called. There's a split right now, on the right.

And yes, I'll call them xenophobes and misogynists, as I've spent enough time on Brian Jean, and D-Fib and other WR MLA's social media to see a large number of comments that would support that judgement.

The rebel aligns with them, and they with it. They appear at functions and protests together, frequently.

Your partisan view is clouding your thought process, or you never read much about Lougheed and his politics. (BTW, the HTSF has gained 2 billion dollars since the NDP were elected, which is WAY better economic performance than going from $8billion when Lougheed left, to $17billion when the PC's were voted out.)

Your support of your assertion holds no water. Sandra Janzen was a card carrying PC, and ran for the leadership of that party. Do you have any evidence that she belonged to any other party, or had any other political afiliation? Same with Rath. He was invoking a clause from the party's own regulations surrounding destruction of the Alberta Progressive Conservatives by a member/members. These two examples you use are just weak innuendo.

Having said that, there are a lot of moderates, or as you would call them "liberal elites" wandering around Alberta, with no real party afiliation, just voting for whoever seems to be most reasonable ever 4 or 5 years.

I fully support the WR and Kenny PC's trying to unite their version of the right! I hope the battle is long and hard!

You seriously should read about the collapse of the SoCred dynasty.

So having someone cross the floor from the PC to NDP isn't enough evidence for you that the PC party has far left wingers in the party.

Also please give me the evidence against Brian Jean showing he's a Xenophobe and Misogynist? I follow him on facebook and have never seen anything that could be construed in that light. Most of his stuff is against the Carbon Tax and providing choice for Alberta families with regards to healthcare and education. You can't use comments or a private media group against the entire party. People are free to express their opinions but that doesn't mean the WR or PC's for that matter have the same view point. Although no surprise you think the party should be able to control these people, and tell them how to act and what to say. Sounds like an NDP socialist to me.

Also of note you didn't respond to my claim that the NDP have a statement that directly effects every sportsmen in this province. If you enjoy hunting, or fishing then you can NOT responsibly vote for the NDP due to the mandate that they protect all animals in their constitution.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

The ego's involved indicate to me that Kenny and Jean will not unite peacefully, and WR will foster an alt right party, while the PC's will foster a far right party, leaving the middle open to a refurbished Liberal party, or more likely Greg Clark's Alberta party.

I see the WR as right Kenny as Far right Alberta party not a factor and 4 more years of NDP. Kenny and Jean have to hit of an ego to do what's right

What I see as the right thing to do is WRP with Jean as leader and Kenny in a STFU role. Supporting his new party.

BW

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by raab

So having someone cross the floor from the PC to NDP isn't enough evidence for you that the PC party has far left wingers in the party.

Also please give me the evidence against Brian Jean showing he's a Xenophobe and Misogynist? I follow him on facebook and have never seen anything that could be construed in that light. Most of his stuff is against the Carbon Tax and providing choice for Alberta families with regards to healthcare and education. You can't use comments or a private media group against the entire party. People are free to express their opinions but that doesn't mean the WR or PC's for that matter have the same view point. Although no surprise you think the party should be able to control these people, and tell them how to act and what to say. Sounds like an NDP socialist to me.

Also of note you didn't respond to my claim that the NDP have a statement that directly effects every sportsmen in this province. If you enjoy hunting, or fishing then you can NOT responsibly vote for the NDP due to the mandate that they protect all animals in their constitution.

You said "infiltrated" and provided no evidence. That Jansen crossed from one party to another does not support your claim of "infiltration". Try again, chum.

I'll refresh your memory about Mr Jean's little joke about "beating Rachel Notley" and leave it at that. If you don't seen anything wrong on his FB page, that speaks about your character. D-Fib's behaviour when Wynne was in the legislature speaks much about him. His FB page is something, too. If you wish to talk about free speech, why have they both removed my and other people's ability to comment in opposition to their philosophies? That, my friend, is not "free speech".

As an outdoorsman, and humanist, yes I'm concerned with animal welfare. Shall i assume that you don't care about animal cruelty? (nice job of moving the goalposts, there, Raab. Some probably wouldn't notice that you've now changed the discussion of how the right will split).

[thetruth]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

I don't care what the two parties end up being called. There's a split right now, on the right.

And yes, I'll call them xenophobes and misogynists, as I've spent enough time on Brian Jean, and D-Fib and other WR MLA's social media to see a large number of comments that would support that judgement.

The rebel aligns with them, and they with it. They appear at functions and protests together, frequently.

Your partisan view is clouding your thought process, or you never read much about Lougheed and his politics. (BTW, the HTSF has gained 2 billion dollars since the NDP were elected, which is WAY better economic performance than going from $8billion when Lougheed left, to $17billion when the PC's were voted out.)

Your support of your assertion holds no water. Sandra Janzen was a card carrying PC, and ran for the leadership of that party. Do you have any evidence that she belonged to any other party, or had any other political afiliation? Same with Rath. He was invoking a clause from the party's own regulations surrounding destruction of the Alberta Progressive Conservatives by a member/members. These two examples you use are just weak innuendo.

Having said that, there are a lot of moderates, or as you would call them "liberal elites" wandering around Alberta, with no real party afiliation, just voting for whoever seems to be most reasonable ever 4 or 5 years.

I fully support the WR and Kenny PC's trying to unite their version of the right! I hope the battle is long and hard!

You seriously should read about the collapse of the SoCred dynasty.

After reading the left wing tripe you throw out consistently, for you to evoke the word "partisan" to categorize statements made by someone else is rich beyond words, dude.....

[raab]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

You said "infiltrated" and provided no evidence. That Jansen crossed from one party to another does not support your claim of "infiltration". Try again, chum.

I'll refresh your memory about Mr Jean's little joke about "beating Rachel Notley" and leave it at that. If you don't seen anything wrong on his FB page, that speaks about your character. D-Fib's behaviour when Wynne was in the legislature speaks much about him. His FB page is something, too. If you wish to talk about free speech, why have they both removed my and other people's ability to comment in opposition to their philosophies? That, my friend, is not "free speech".

As an outdoorsman, and humanist, yes I'm concerned with animal welfare. Shall i assume that you don't care about animal cruelty? (nice job of moving the goalposts, there, Raab. Some probably wouldn't notice that you've now changed the discussion of how the right will split).

All I asked for is evidence of misogyny and xenophobia which you have yet to provide and are really stretching to find. I wont comment on why they removed you as I have no idea what your post were. As for free speech they haven't hampered you at all. You can still shout your opinion as loud as you want and not be arrested, fined or sent to jail. All they did was prevent you from speaking on their WR page, for WR supporters. You can always write the Sun or Journal if you truly feel your rights to free speech are hampered by the WR blocking you on their facebook page.

And I stated the NDP policy as I feel a lot of the supporters on here don't understand how drastic the policy is with regards to animals. Were not talking about conservation and animal cruelty. That I have nothing against. The NDP are talking about a fairy tale world where animals and humans have the same rights and aren't used for resources. Which means no hunting, no fishing, and no farming. I brought this up because I don't think you are a sportsmen at all. I think you're an NDP supporter who is trying to suppress the views of true conservative Albertans. The ones who do enjoy the freedom of speech and are talking out against your leftist agenda with regards to infiltrating the PC party and splitting the vote in 2019. Cant wait to see a united conservative party give the boot to the NDP in 2019. All the sportsmen on this site need to seriously consider the consequences of voting for an NDP party that doesn't view animals as resources. You're much better off putting your vote with either the Liberal party or Alberta party if you want to continue having the freedom to hunt and fish in this province, while voting for a left wing party.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by thetruth

After reading the left wing tripe you throw out consistently, for you to evoke the word "partisan" to categorize statements made by someone else is rich beyond words, dude.....

Awww, you noticed! I'm flattered!

[Redfrog]

PURGE, MERGE, SURGE!! simple plan.

http://www.inews880.com/2017/03/20/l...alberta-party/

Glad to see this varmint gone. I notice he didn't use his $27,000 donated funds to pay down the party debt.

This guy is everything that is wrong with the PC party in one massive ego.

Easy on the predictions guys, we are only up to the 'Ready", part of the race, we still have 'set' and 'go' before it gets really exciting.

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by raab

All I asked for is evidence of misogyny and xenophobia which you have yet to provide and are really stretching to find. I wont comment on why they removed you as I have no idea what your post were. As for free speech they haven't hampered you at all. You can still shout your opinion as loud as you want and not be arrested, fined or sent to jail. All they did was prevent you from speaking on their WR page, for WR supporters. You can always write the Sun or Journal if you truly feel your rights to free speech are hampered by the WR blocking you on their facebook page.

And I stated the NDP policy as I feel a lot of the supporters on here don't understand how drastic the policy is with regards to animals. Were not talking about conservation and animal cruelty. That I have nothing against. The NDP are talking about a fairy tale world where animals and humans have the same rights and aren't used for resources. Which means no hunting, no fishing, and no farming. I brought this up because I don't think you are a sportsmen at all. I think you're an NDP supporter who is trying to suppress the views of true conservative Albertans. The ones who do enjoy the freedom of speech and are talking out against your leftist agenda with regards to infiltrating the PC party and splitting the vote in 2019. Cant wait to see a united conservative party give the boot to the NDP in 2019. All the sportsmen on this site need to seriously consider the consequences of voting for an NDP party that doesn't view animals as resources. You're much better off putting your vote with either the Liberal party or Alberta party if you want to continue having the freedom to hunt and fish in this province, while voting for a left wing party.

If you choose to be willfully ignorant, that's up to you. Don't bother doing your own research, and please dismiss anything that disagrees with your preconceptions.

Good luck in defining what you think is "the right" and then uniting it. Never give up!

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

You said "infiltrated" and provided no evidence. That Jansen crossed from one party to another does not support your claim of "infiltration". Try again, chum.

I'll refresh your memory about Mr Jean's little joke about "beating Rachel Notley" and leave it at that. If you don't seen anything wrong on his FB page, that speaks about your character. D-Fib's behaviour when Wynne was in the legislature speaks much about him. His FB page is something, too. If you wish to talk about free speech, why have they both removed my and other people's ability to comment in opposition to their philosophies? That, my friend, is not "free speech".

As an outdoorsman, and humanist, yes I'm concerned with animal welfare. Shall i assume that you don't care about animal cruelty? (nice job of moving the goalposts, there, Raab. Some probably wouldn't notice that you've now changed the discussion of how the right will split).

You should see how many civil posts disappear on our dear Shannon Phillips page.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

You should see how many civil posts disappear on our dear Shannon Phillips page.

..or try posting on Rachel's page.....however it is funny to watch the few trained seals replies on the page..

[thetruth]

Originally Posted by Badgerbadger

Awww, you noticed! I'm flattered!

Don't be. Repetitive, incoherent hypocrisy is nothing to hang your hat on....

[Badgerbadger]

Originally Posted by thetruth

Don't be. Repetitive, incoherent hypocrisy is nothing to hang your hat on....

You're funny!