Kenney wins PC leadership

[jaylow?]

if the wild rose and PC join , making a Jason kenney a leader I will toss my membership straight in the garbage. This is the lap dog that brought the TFW program to its shining glory and don't think the boys in the patch will ever forget that for one second. Brian Jean is the leader of the opposition and Kenney the leader of a party that was all but destroyed with the rise of the NDP . Lets keep that in mind , people are acting like the wild rose need to get together with the PCs when its completely the other way around , if a merger is what is needed ,Jason kenney will be the real obstacle in making that happen. Jason Kenney's real passion is Jason Kenney

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by jaylow?

if the wild rose and PC join , making a Jason kenney a leader I will toss my membership straight in the garbage. This is the lap dog that brought the TFW program to its shining glory and don't think the boys in the patch will ever forget that for one second. Brian Jean is the leader of the opposition and Kenney the leader of a party that was all but destroyed with the rise of the NDP . Lets keep that in mind , people are acting like the wild rose need to get together with the PCs when its completely the other way around , if a merger is what is needed ,Jason kenney will be the real obstacle in making that happen. Jason Kenney's real passion is Jason Kenney

Agree

LC

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by jaylow?

if the wild rose and PC join , making a Jason kenney a leader I will toss my membership straight in the garbage. This is the lap dog that brought the TFW program to its shining glory and don't think the boys in the patch will ever forget that for one second. Brian Jean is the leader of the opposition and Kenney the leader of a party that was all but destroyed with the rise of the NDP . Lets keep that in mind , people are acting like the wild rose need to get together with the PCs when its completely the other way around , if a merger is what is needed ,Jason kenney will be the real obstacle in making that happen. Jason Kenney's real passion is Jason Kenney

X2

He is just another iteration of the arrogance that was Redford and Prentice and THEY are ultimately responsible for the NDP being where they are now. Kenney is the best news the Dips could get because he is so repellent to so many people.

[Taco]

Originally Posted by alacringa

Yup I agree more and more. As this thread amply shows Alberta's conservatives are still more interested in self serving ****in' contests than healing riffs in the centre right so they can be viable politically.

[TBD]

Originally Posted by sjemac

Umm. Those links are pretty clear in stating that the SCOC determined that it IS in fact a prisoner's right to vote in Canadian elections. Did you even read the links?

And thanks for determining how I should live my life. You have more in common with the NDP than you know.

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”

to vote - you call this their right ?

and you call yourself a conservative ?


TBD


PS .... keep talking SED'gee your eastern liberal views become more and more evident

.... “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by jaylow?

if the wild rose and pc join , making a jason kenney a leader i will toss my membership straight in the garbage. This is the lap dog that brought the tfw program to its shining glory and don't think the boys in the patch will ever forget that for one second. Brian jean is the leader of the opposition and kenney the leader of a party that was all but destroyed with the rise of the ndp . Lets keep that in mind , people are acting like the wild rose need to get together with the pcs when its completely the other way around , if a merger is what is needed ,jason kenney will be the real obstacle in making that happen. Jason kenney's real passion is jason kenney

x3

bw

[TBD]

Originally Posted by jaylow?

if the wild rose and PC join , making a Jason kenney a leader I will toss my membership straight in the garbage. This is the lap dog that brought the TFW program to its shining glory and don't think the boys in the patch will ever forget that for one second. Brian Jean is the leader of the opposition and Kenney the leader of a party that was all but destroyed with the rise of the NDP . Lets keep that in mind , people are acting like the wild rose need to get together with the PCs when its completely the other way around , if a merger is what is needed ,Jason kenney will be the real obstacle in making that happen. Jason Kenney's real passion is Jason Kenney

If they hope to beat the socialist vote in this prov.

So what would you rather have - a conservative gov't with either Kenney or Jean --- Or nutley for another four ?

If the parties join the members will chose the leader and we'll need to all get behind who ever that is.

TBD

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by TBD

to vote - you call this their right ?

and you call yourself a conservative ?


TBD


PS .... keep talking SED'gee your eastern liberal views become more and more evident

The Supreme Court determined it was their right according to the Constitution. I have called it nothing. Just reading the definition.

You didn't read the links you posted because they contradict the point you tried to make.

How is quoting publicly known facts a non-conservative trait? You seem to have the term "conservative" confused with "stupid and ill informed".

I am truly sorry that you seem to feel that reading comprehension is an "eastern liberal" trait because most Alberta conservatives that I know can do it too. I get that you have problems with it but that should not transfer to the hundreds of thousands of conservative Albertans who DO possess those skills.

And what the hell is SED'gee?

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by jaylow?

if the wild rose and PC join , making a Jason kenney a leader I will toss my membership straight in the garbage. This is the lap dog that brought the TFW program to its shining glory and don't think the boys in the patch will ever forget that for one second. Brian Jean is the leader of the opposition and Kenney the leader of a party that was all but destroyed with the rise of the NDP . Lets keep that in mind , people are acting like the wild rose need to get together with the PCs when its completely the other way around , if a merger is what is needed ,Jason kenney will be the real obstacle in making that happen. Jason Kenney's real passion is Jason Kenney

Amen to that ^ !!!

I still have no bloody use for the PCs and what they did to Alberta. Among many other things, it's because of them that we now have an NDP government.

You can take the PCs and that Jason Kenney jerk, and chuck 'em all in the garbage!

[gunluvr]

Both the PCs and the WR have a LOT of work to do to EARN the confidence of Alberta voters. Merely pointing out the failures of the NDP just ain't gonna do it. I really hope one of them are up to it. The absolute worst thing that could happen is to split the right vote again. Nutley would take that as a sure sign that she can escalate plans to push green energy, and increase taxation (and spending).

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by jaylow?

if the wild rose and PC join , making a Jason kenney a leader I will toss my membership straight in the garbage. This is the lap dog that brought the TFW program to its shining glory and don't think the boys in the patch will ever forget that for one second. Brian Jean is the leader of the opposition and Kenney the leader of a party that was all but destroyed with the rise of the NDP . Lets keep that in mind , people are acting like the wild rose need to get together with the PCs when its completely the other way around , if a merger is what is needed ,Jason kenney will be the real obstacle in making that happen. Jason Kenney's real passion is Jason Kenney

I 100% agree.

[TBD]

Originally Posted by sjemac

The Supreme Court determined it was their right according to the Constitution. I have called it nothing. Just reading the definition.

You didn't read the links you posted because they contradict the point you tried to make.

How is quoting publicly known facts a non-conservative trait? You seem to have the term "conservative" confused with "stupid and ill informed".

I am truly sorry that you seem to feel that reading comprehension is an "eastern liberal" trait because most Alberta conservatives that I know can do it too. I get that you have problems with it but that should not transfer to the hundreds of thousands of conservative Albertans who DO possess those skills.

And what the hell is SED'gee?

Why do you guys call into question a persons intelligence in defence of your arguments ...

Is that how you handle dissenting pts of view in your classroom sed'gee ?

come on man - criminals never had the right to vote in any serious jurisdiction through-out the commonwealth until PET and his '82 garbage constitution that he rammed threw without the consent of all our prov's.

criminals do not have the right to vote - however a bunch of bleeding heart liberal justice's gave inmates here serving under two years an exemption and the privilege.

Probably done at the urging of the federal liberal party (u guys like supporting) so that these votes could be purchased in the next election.

TBD

[JimPS]

Politics and governments in the "Free World" - provincially, federally and world wide are such a joke now it's hard to take anything seriously and get worked up about anything anymore.

We are heading into the great abyss and we don't even realize where we are going and what we once had.

Something completely new and horrifically nasty will undoubtedly emerge.

[jaylow?]

Originally Posted by TBD

If they hope to beat the socialist vote in this prov.

So what would you rather have - a conservative gov't with either Kenney or Jean --- Or nutley for another four ?

If the parties join the members will chose the leader and we'll need to all get behind who ever that is.

TBD

ill take whatever im given like everyone else here is currently doing, what I want is grass root conservative government. I don't want a middle of the road -try and please everyone-please no one government. I would like to see a merger of the parties based around the wildrose , not PC . that's all

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by TBD

Why do you guys call into question a persons intelligence in defence of your arguments ...

Is that how you handle dissenting pts of view in your classroom sed'gee ?

come on man - criminals never had the right to vote in any serious jurisdiction through-out the commonwealth until PET and his '82 garbage constitution that he rammed threw without the consent of all our prov's.

criminals do not have the right to vote - however a bunch of bleeding heart liberal justice's gave inmates here serving under two years an exemption and the privilege.

Probably done at the urging of the federal liberal party (u guys like supporting) so that these votes could be purchased in the next election.

TBD

Just yours Bud, just yours. Posting links that state the exact opposite of the point you want to make ain't smart. There was not a link there that backed your statement that voting is a privilege.

The law of the land gives them that right at this point. Supreme Court decisions become the law and until someone gets the stones (besides Quebec) to use the Notwithstanding clause, that's the way it is. The FACT is that criminals have the right to vote in this country. That you (and I for that matter) don't believe they should is beside the point.

So in terms of the "privilege" of voting:

[260 Rem]

Originally Posted by coreya3212

Pretend the Wr and PC unite, and elect Kenney as the leader of the new party, who does your vote go to?

Too early to decide, but I think Kenny is in the drivers seat today.

[From The Hip]

Originally Posted by jaylow?

ill take whatever im given like everyone else here is currently doing, what I want is grass root conservative government. I don't want a middle of the road -try and please everyone-please no one government. I would like to see a merger of the parties based around the wildrose , not PC . that's all

That is what I want to see as well.The PC's got decimated last election whilst the WR increased their seats after the floor crossing debacle and at the same time splitting the right vote in every riding that the NDP won.The WR should be in the drivers seat with regards to a merger.The whole process should be honest and open and if any PC brass even say "well we were in power for 40 years so...." those people should be chucked under the proverbial bus.Transparent merger and a fresh leadership review and election of a new leader.If it turns out to be Jean or Kenny or if perhaps Rona Ambrose.No matter what that united party gets my vote same as it should get the vote of every Albertan who wants to chuck the tax and spend more NDP under the bus.

To not vote for that merged party or not voting at all is the equivilent to cutting your nose off to spite your face.Alberta has been on the ropes and punch drunk for 2 years under the NDP and the best thing and the only option that is good for the province is to limit the NDP to one nasty term....otherwise look what they did to Ontario/BC/Manitoba when they got multiple terms.....nothing but inept fiscal management and total cronyism.Glen Clark in BC is a prime example...the guy took $100,000 worth of renovations to his home as a bribe so the contractor secured government contracts.

The NDP MUST get the boot next election....if not by the end of another 4 years Alberta will be in the same boat Ontario is currently in......a boat that is taking on water twice as fast as you can bail it out.

FTH

[TBD]

Originally Posted by sjemac

Just yours Bud, just yours. Posting links that state the exact opposite of the point you want to make ain't smart. There was not a link there that backed your statement that voting is a privilege.

The law of the land gives them that right at this point. Supreme Court decisions become the law and until someone gets the stones (besides Quebec) to use the Notwithstanding clause, that's the way it is. The FACT is that criminals have the right to vote in this country. That you (and I for that matter) don't believe they should is beside the point.

just to attempt and belittle someones intelligence - you make up this whole play on words confusing my statement and implying I said it was a privilege to vote ...

Originally Posted by TBD

... not sure if they taught this in nova scotia or not.

When it comes to elections - your right to vote is the most sacred privilege bestowed upon us.

Do your research - read each parties platform, talk to people in the community you respect ...


and come the day of election -- vote for the politico who will do THE LEAST damage


TBD


PS ... if you decide to NOT exercise this right, than like Hipster said, you have no business sharing your opinions

.... have a read - there's the orig statement I believe you're referring to ?

am I stating a person's vote is their right or privilege ?

-------------------------

so then you go on ...

Originally Posted by sjemac

How can it be a right and a privilege? It's one or the other.

so I figured okay - you "know it all" I'll play game - criminals have the privilege to vote -- as granted to the ones serving under two yrs

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by TBD

just to attempt and belittle someones intelligence - you make up this whole play on words confusing my statement and implying I said it was a privilege to vote ...



.... have a read - there's the orig statement I believe you're referring to ?

am I stating a person's vote is their right or privilege ?

"When it comes to elections - your right to vote is the most sacred privilege bestowed upon us."

You seem confused. A right is not a privilege. You are equating them so YES you are stating it is a privilege.

And trust me I haven't had to make much of an attempt cause you're not even reading your own posts.

[TBD]

Originally Posted by sjemac

"When it comes to elections - your right to vote is the most sacred privilege bestowed upon us."

You seem confused. A right is not a privilege. You are equating them so YES you are stating it is a privilege.

And trust me I haven't had to make much of an attempt.

Sed'gee I think I know what your talking about now ...

your attemting to interpret my statement from a strictly grammatical sense ...

will if you do - one also has to consider the subject of these "rights" were discussing and if you take the literal terms - rights and privilege in relation to humans ...

Please refer your 'self to the all encompassing Wikipedia ...


These can be revoked in certain circumstances. In modern democratic states, a privilege is conditional and granted only after birth. By contrast, a right is an inherent, irrevocable entitlement held by all citizens or all human beings from the moment of birth.
Privilege (legal ethics) - Wikipedia



SORRY - wrong again !


TBD


PS .... Sed'gee I'm impressed you're working hard on this, not being on skool time 'n all

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by TBD

Sed'gee I think I know what your talking about now ...

your attemting to interpret my statement from a strictly grammatical sense ...

will if you do - one also has to consider the subject of these "rights" were discussing and if you take the literal terms - rights and privilege in relation to humans ...

Please refer your 'self to the all encompassing Wikipedia ...


These can be revoked in certain circumstances. In modern democratic states, a privilege is conditional and granted only after birth. By contrast, a right is an inherent, irrevocable entitlement held by all citizens or all human beings from the moment of birth.
Privilege (legal ethics) - Wikipedia



SORRY - wrong again !


TBD


PS .... Sed'gee I'm impressed you're working hard on this, not being on skool time 'n all

Sorry man. Because I can't read the rabid epileptic squirrel thoughts that spin in your hamster wheel brain, I am forced to read the actual words you write.

[From The Hip]

Originally Posted by sjemac

"When it comes to elections - your right to vote is the most sacred privilege bestowed upon us."

You seem confused. A right is not a privilege. You are equating them so YES you are stating it is a privilege.

And trust me I haven't had to make much of an attempt cause you're not even reading your own posts.

Right or privilege....call it what you want and get into whatever semantics you want.If you choose to not vote as in specifically you dont like Kenny/Jean and you also dont like the NDP in general so you choose not to vote then you LOSE the right to complain.Be it in public or on an online forum you LOSE the right to complain because you did not take part in the electoral process.

The last Federal/Provincial election combined took maybe 30 minutes of my time and of course the effort to show up at the polling station and I was happy to do it.Do I want online voting via internet or some crapulence such as facebook?Hell no.....I want the same process as it is now....you show up and present the card and your ID and go through the rigamarole and then cast your ballot.You make the effort and maybe the party you think is in your best interest wins and you are happy.If that party loses and you dont like the situation(currently I dont like the Trudeau government) then I get the right to complain about it because I VOTED...in short...if you dont VOTE then you get a tall cool glass of STFU......END OF DISCUSSION.

FTH

[sjemac]

Originally Posted by From The Hip

Right or privilege....call it what you want and get into whatever semantics you want.If you choose to not vote as in specifically you dont like Kenny/Jean and you also dont like the NDP in general so you choose not to vote then you LOSE the right to complain.Be it in public or on an online forum you LOSE the right to complain because you did not take part in the electoral process.

The last Federal/Provincial election combined took maybe 30 minutes of my time and of course the effort to show up at the polling station and I was happy to do it.Do I want online voting via internet or some crapulence such as facebook?Hell no.....I want the same process as it is now....you show up and present the card and your ID and go through the rigamarole and then cast your ballot.You make the effort and maybe the party you think is in your best interest wins and you are happy.If that party loses and you dont like the situation(currently I dont like the Trudeau government) then I get the right to complain about it because I VOTED...in short...if you dont VOTE then you get a tall cool glass of STFU......END OF DISCUSSION.

FTH

For the record again it is just the Kenney part of that pair that I detest.

Who will make me STFU? If you can't force me to vote how do you force me to do the latter. If I don't like ANY of the choices and choose not to support any of them then I still have the right to complain and you not liking that means sweet bugger all.

I have voted in every single Federal, Provincial, County and Municipal election that I have had the opportunity to do so. That doesn't mean that I have to do so in the future and that does not negate my right to continue to speak out. You folks talk of "freedom" yet your "freedom" is more akin to Lenin 1918 than to Jefferson 1776.

[Alephnaught]

Originally Posted by alacringa

Couldn't agree more.

Screw the nutbar contingent within the WR - they pulled defeat from the jaws of victory at two minutes to midnight with that lake of fire idiocy & gave rise to The Red Queen. Screw the PC's, they gave rise to The Orange Queen. Screw trying to bring the fractious right back together - it'll never happen in time. The only chance we have is every reasonable Albertan to flock under the AP banner.

The alternative is a second NDP term.

[raab]

Originally Posted by sjemac

I stay home. Voting for Kenney would be no different than voting for Redford.

I won't vote for a Kenney led party nor an Oleary led party and can't vote NDP or Liberal so there's a good chance I'll not vote next two elections or will write in Stephen Harper on the ballot.

Youd vote for someone who has already had 10 years in as Prime Minister? Politics shouldn't be a lifetime job as it corrupts. Time for Harper to go get a real job and stop depending on the tax payer.

[raab]

Originally Posted by sjemac

Who removes that right?

Why should one have to hold their nose and vote for either crap or diarrhea?

That was the choice south of the border and I won't be a party to it here. I will vote for either WR or PC or a united group -- but not if Kenney is in charge. And NDP is not an option --ever-- so what to do?

Jean will lead, no ones voting Kenney in as leader of a new party. Jean will be back.

In the off chance he isn't you could always vote libertarian.

[raab]

Originally Posted by jaylow?

ill take whatever im given like everyone else here is currently doing, what I want is grass root conservative government. I don't want a middle of the road -try and please everyone-please no one government. I would like to see a merger of the parties based around the wildrose , not PC . that's all

From everything I'm hearing through the grapevine thats basically whats going to happen. New party will be modeled after the WRP with grassroots members driving the party and policies. Only way to sell a merger to WRP supporters since the party is in such good shape.

Hopefully this new party isn't taken over by basically everyone from the left again. With the NDP on the left now as a viable option the true socialists should go and put their money there. No reason for them to come infiltrate the party at this point.

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by Alephnaught

Couldn't agree more.

Screw the nutbar contingent within the WR - they pulled defeat from the jaws of victory at two minutes to midnight with that lake of fire idiocy & gave rise to The Red Queen. Screw the PC's, they gave rise to The Orange Queen. Screw trying to bring the fractious right back together - it'll never happen in time. The only chance we have is every reasonable Albertan to flock under the AP banner.

The alternative is a second NDP term.

Sorry, I am not a Liberal.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Alephnaught

Couldn't agree more.

Screw the nutbar contingent within the WR - they pulled defeat from the jaws of victory at two minutes to midnight with that lake of fire idiocy & gave rise to The Red Queen. Screw the PC's, they gave rise to The Orange Queen. Screw trying to bring the fractious right back together - it'll never happen in time. The only chance we have is every reasonable Albertan to flock under the AP banner.

The alternative is a second NDP term.

AP is basically the Liberals... I believe they support the carbon tax...

[HyperMOA]

Originally Posted by raab

Youd vote for someone who has already had 10 years in as Prime Minister? Politics shouldn't be a lifetime job as it corrupts. Time for Harper to go get a real job and stop depending on the tax payer.

So Harper is a hard no, but anyone else that is an actual corrupted lifetime politician, (Kenney) is OK?