general tag before your supplemental?

deanr · #1 11-20-2013, 06:00 PM

My brother in law were having a few "pops" the other day and on top of trying to solve world hunger we talked about if it was a requirement to use your general whitetail tag before you used your supplementals. I've always assumed it didn't matter but we couldn't find a refernce anywhere. Anyone know the answer?

Lefty-Canuck · #2 11-20-2013, 06:02 PM

No it is not, possibly it used to be but now it is not.

You can buy a supplemental without buying a general.

LC

Okotokian · #3 11-20-2013, 06:20 PM

Use whatever. F&W officer came up just as I got to a downed whitetail a few years ago. Little guy had spikes shorter than 4" (so short I thought it wa a doe when I shot). I decided to put the supplemental tag on it rather than the general tag and the officer had no problem with that. Helped me throw it in the back of my vehicle (not that I really needed help. He wasn't that big LOL).

Vingiu · #4 11-20-2013, 06:41 PM

As they said ^^^ should be fine to use the supplemental first. But bear in mind that many zones don't allow the use of supplementals at all.

Bound2Fish · #5 11-20-2013, 08:21 PM

I thought you had to use your general first before your supplemental. This is what I was told from a F&W and that is the reason why they are called supplemental. I dont buy the tags as I only need 1 anyways but he also said supplementals had to be used in different zones as well. This was a couple years ago, maybe things changed or he has it wrong?

Team Anzac · #6 11-20-2013, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Okotokian

Use whatever. F&W officer came up just as I got to a downed whitetail a few years ago. Little guy had spikes shorter than 4" (so short I thought it wa a doe when I shot). I decided to put the supplemental tag on it rather than the general tag and the officer had no problem with that. Helped me throw it in the back of my vehicle (not that I really needed help. He wasn't that big LOL).

That is news to me. " antlered and antlerless"? Is this something you can find in the regs? How did you come to this conclusion? Was it just the CO? If this is so it brings a whole new meaning to supplemental..

. Please elaborate.....

Xiph0id · #7 11-20-2013, 08:31 PM

It's in the regs. 4" or less is antlerless.

Mountain Guy · #8 11-20-2013, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bound2Fish

I thought you had to use your general first before your supplemental. This is what I was told from a F&W and that is the reason why they are called supplemental. I dont buy the tags as I only need 1 anyways but he also said supplementals had to be used in different zones as well. This was a couple years ago, maybe things changed or he has it wrong?

funny. maybe the same officer that I know of that couldn't tell the diff between a mule deer and w.t .
Believe it or not ..their out there.

Team Anzac · #9 11-20-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Xiph0id

It's in the regs. 4" or less is antlerless.

Good info THANKS.

Okotokian · #10 11-21-2013, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Team Anzac

That is news to me. " antlered and antlerless"? Is this something you can find in the regs? How did you come to this conclusion? Was it just the CO? If this is so it brings a whole new meaning to supplemental..

. Please elaborate.....

There are no such thing as "doe" or "buck" tags for deer. There are "antlered" or "antlerless" A male with less than 4" antlers is "antlerless" and you may use supplemental tag if you wish.

It's all in the regs.

elkhunter11 · #11 11-21-2013, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Okotokian

There are no such thing as "doe" or "buck" tags for deer. There are "antlered" or "antlerless" A male with less than 4" antlers is "antlerless" and you may use supplemental tag if you wish.

It's all in the regs.

Not quite, sex is irrelevant, and 4" or less is considered antlerless.

Okotokian · #12 11-21-2013, 09:24 AM

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Not quite, sex is irrelevant, and 4" or less is considered antlerless.

That's what I said. LOL Re-read.

elkhunter11 · #13 11-21-2013, 09:35 AM

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That's what I said. LOL Re-read.

You posted less than 4" is antlerless, which it is, but 4" is antlerless as well.

diamonddave · #14 11-21-2013, 02:32 PM

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You posted less than 4" is antlerless, which it is, but 4" is antlerless as well.

oh for christ sakes

Okotokian · #15 11-21-2013, 02:40 PM

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oh for christ sakes

LOL x2

Bound2Fish · #16 11-21-2013, 03:05 PM

Splitting hairs....

DustDee · #17 11-21-2013, 03:08 PM

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Splitting hairs....

No, splitting antlers.

walking buffalo · #18 11-21-2013, 03:11 PM

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Splitting hairs....

Elk will say he was half right when he was actually half wrong.

waterninja · #19 11-21-2013, 04:35 PM

made a mistake on this little buck. i was down to just my supplemental doe tag and went out to fill it. saw a couple nice bucks that i had to pass on and near last light came across what i thought was a doe. was standing broadside and both my partner and i glassed it and saw no horn. turns out it had some wierd deformed spikes and the way it was standing we could not see the little spike hiding behind his ear and the other spike was away from us, hidden by head. when we walked up to it i still put my supplemental tag on it. felt bad about the mistake, and though one spike was more then 4" i was not going to let it go to waste. those little spikers can fool you.
would appreciate not getting flamed for this honest mistake but from the pics. you can see how hard it was to see the bone.

diamonddave · #20 11-21-2013, 04:38 PM

Pretty honest mistake, no one could blame you for that one!

BEL · #21 11-21-2013, 04:45 PM

Typical of elkhunter11 guys. Tough to do, but ignore him. BEL

WillyOneStyle · #22 11-21-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by waterninja

made a mistake on this little buck. i was down to just my supplemental doe tag and went out to fill it. saw a couple nice bucks that i had to pass on and near last light came across what i thought was a doe. was standing broadside and both my partner and i glassed it and saw no horn. turns out it had some wierd deformed spikes and the way it was standing we could not see the little spike hiding behind his ear and the other spike was away from us, hidden by head. when we walked up to it i still put my supplemental tag on it. felt bad about the mistake, and though one spike was more then 4" i was not going to let it go to waste. those little spikers can fool you.
would appreciate not getting flamed for this honest mistake but from the pics. you can see how hard it was to see the bone.

This guy was going to lose a lot of fights.

Mikezilk · #23 11-21-2013, 06:34 PM

There actually is no antlered tag. It is a general tag and can be used on an antlered or antlerless deer as long as there is a general season for them in the WMU you are hunting in.

Red Bullets · #24 11-21-2013, 07:16 PM

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Elk will say he was half right when he was actually half wrong.

Would that mean if he wasn't slow and wasn't fast he would be half-ast?

waterfowler1969 · #25 11-21-2013, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by waterninja

made a mistake on this little buck. i was down to just my supplemental doe tag and went out to fill it. saw a couple nice bucks that i had to pass on and near last light came across what i thought was a doe. was standing broadside and both my partner and i glassed it and saw no horn. turns out it had some wierd deformed spikes and the way it was standing we could not see the little spike hiding behind his ear and the other spike was away from us, hidden by head. when we walked up to it i still put my supplemental tag on it. felt bad about the mistake, and though one spike was more then 4" i was not going to let it go to waste. those little spikers can fool you.
would appreciate not getting flamed for this honest mistake but from the pics. you can see how hard it was to see the bone.

so what you are saying it is ok to break the law? That is a antlered wt not a antlerless animal. you are crazy for posting that on here. I bet your phone rings from the fish cops in the near future.

elkhunter11 · #26 11-21-2013, 07:21 PM

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made a mistake on this little buck. i was down to just my supplemental doe tag and went out to fill it. saw a couple nice bucks that i had to pass on and near last light came across what i thought was a doe. was standing broadside and both my partner and i glassed it and saw no horn. turns out it had some wierd deformed spikes and the way it was standing we could not see the little spike hiding behind his ear and the other spike was away from us, hidden by head. when we walked up to it i still put my supplemental tag on it. felt bad about the mistake, and though one spike was more then 4" i was not going to let it go to waste. those little spikers can fool you.
would appreciate not getting flamed for this honest mistake but from the pics. you can see how hard it was to see the bone.

A hunting partner shot a mule deer that he thought was antlerless, only to walk up to it, and discover that it had one malformed antler, just over 4" long. Luckily he had both the antlered, and antlerless mule deer licenses, but he certainly wasn't happy to have to use his antlered tag on that deer. He bought a pair of higher quality binoculars, and now scrutinizes any potential antlerless deer very closely, before pulling the trigger.

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There actually is no antlered tag. It is a general tag and can be used on an antlered or antlerless deer as long as there is a general season for them in the WMU you are hunting in.

Actually there is an Antlered White-tailed Deer Special License. You must draw the tag, under draw code 15, but it does exist.

happy honker · #27 11-21-2013, 07:59 PM

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so what you are saying it is ok to break the law? That is a antlered wt not a antlerless animal. you are crazy for posting that on here. I bet your phone rings from the fish cops in the near future.

I think he did the hunting community more service by sharing the lesson in his mistake, than by keeping it quiet and not posting.

I could see this HONEST MISTAKE being made by most of us, and its a great reminder to be careful.

Xiph0id · #28 11-21-2013, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by happy honker

I think he did the hunting community more service by sharing the lesson in his mistake, than by keeping it quiet and not posting.

I could see this HONEST MISTAKE being made by most of us, and its a great reminder to be careful.

I agree, I will be more careful in the future because of it.

sjemac · #29 11-21-2013, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by waterninja

made a mistake on this little buck. i was down to just my supplemental doe tag and went out to fill it. saw a couple nice bucks that i had to pass on and near last light came across what i thought was a doe. was standing broadside and both my partner and i glassed it and saw no horn. turns out it had some wierd deformed spikes and the way it was standing we could not see the little spike hiding behind his ear and the other spike was away from us, hidden by head. when we walked up to it i still put my supplemental tag on it. felt bad about the mistake, and though one spike was more then 4" i was not going to let it go to waste. those little spikers can fool you.
would appreciate not getting flamed for this honest mistake but from the pics. you can see how hard it was to see the bone.

I had a similar experience. The difference in this case was I had an antlerless mule deer tag and ended up shooting an antlered mule deer with horns hidden by the ears.

I had a brand new hunter with me. 14 years old. I made the decision to turn myself in. I got a $150 fine but was able to keep my antlerless tag and continue hunting with the novice. My deer was confiscated. I shot another one later. This one legal.

The important point was that my novice hunter ultimately did get his deer that day despite me screwing up. He learned some valuable lessons about honesty and conservation.

I experienced a penalty – as I should have – but admitting to the mistake lessened the penalty and did not jeopardize my hunting privileges.

I honestly don't know if I would've made the same decision had I been alone.

waterfowler1969 · #30 11-21-2013, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by happy honker

I think he did the hunting community more service by sharing the lesson in his mistake, than by keeping it quiet and not posting.

I could see this HONEST MISTAKE being made by most of us, and its a great reminder to be careful.

What does the law state? After you post the law tell me and all of AO that you are ok about him breaking the law. Illegal is illegal not bend the rule to serve your own screw up. The fact is he broke the law and posted it on the internet. Now he will get a call from fish and wildlife over it. I thank people who post the illegal activity so it makes it easier to press charges.