Canol Road Getting Over-hunted Again this Year?

[Big Thumper]

Seems those coming in without tags from the NWT are not making the locals happy as they clean out the moose:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/...ncil-1.4253752

[R3illy]

Can anyone hunt without a tag for moose in that area they wrote about or am I reading that wrong.

[KegRiver]

Big can of worms. Me no open.

[Big Thumper]

Originally Posted by R3illy

Can anyone hunt without a tag for moose in that area they wrote about or am I reading that wrong.

No, but those with status from the NWT can. So, those with a land claim in that area aren't happy that they come in with reefer trucks and stack them up.

[R3illy]

Originally Posted by Big Thumper

No, but those with status from the NWT can. So, those with a land claim in that area aren't happy that they come in with reefer trucks and stack them up.

the article mentioned there should be a limit on the number of moose that licensed hunters can take. I've never seen an article describe a sustenance hunter as a licensed hunter.

Licensed to me means tags...

[Big Thumper]

Originally Posted by R3illy

the article mentioned there should be a limit on the number of moose that licensed hunters can take. I've never seen an article describe a sustenance hunter as a licensed hunter.

Licensed to me means tags...

"There are too many hunters from the Northwest Territories, as well as resident hunters from around the Yukon,"

When they talk about the NWT hunters, they mean hunters who are status. It would be illegal for non status hunters to come into the Yukon without hiring a guide. CBC would never come out and state that, of course.

[kujoseto]

Same old same old. Elephant in the room. When anyone tries to discuss it, it gets shot down or here it's locked. Total bs and when I think of the way people fought in wars so that we have freedom of speech, I'm sure they're rolling in their graves because the politically correct silence people. It gets tiresome after a short while. Good luck with the thread.
IBTL

[urban rednek]

There are no words to properly express the delicious irony of this story.

[R3illy]

Originally Posted by Big Thumper

"There are too many hunters from the Northwest Territories, as well as resident hunters from around the Yukon,"

When they talk about the NWT hunters, they mean hunters who are status. It would be illegal for non status hunters to come into the Yukon without hiring a guide. CBC would never come out and state that, of course.

why wouldn't that article say that then

[HighlandHeart]

Originally Posted by Big Thumper

"There are too many hunters from the Northwest Territories, as well as resident hunters from around the Yukon,"

When they talk about the NWT hunters, they mean hunters who are status. It would be illegal for non status hunters to come into the Yukon without hiring a guide. CBC would never come out and state that, of course.

Not true at all. I lived in Yellowknife for six years and knew a few families of Newfies that used to head to the Canol trail every September and none of them were status Indians. This story has nothing to do with sustenance hunters or status.

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by HighlandHeart

Not true at all. I lived in Yellowknife for six years and knew a few families of Newfies that used to head to the Canol trail every September and none of them were status Indians. This story has nothing to do with sustenance hunters or status.

That may be but if the newfies didn't have status, tags and hunting in the proper legal seasons for white people then they were doing it illegally and if caught they would be subject to heavy fines for illegal poaching, seizures of whatever they shot, seizures of guns and licence suspensions, etc etc.

What is going on is one bands dispute over hunting grounds with other bands not from that territory coming into and infringing on what they perceive as their tribes territory. Apparently there is nothing illegal about that as long as they are all aboriginal. It is a squabble they will have to figure out amongst the tribes themselves.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by urban rednek

There are no words to properly express the delicious irony of this story.

Exactly!

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Exactly!

Natives complaining about over hunting ? Just read a Facebook post by a couple of "Treaty Card " holders offering to " remove" some neighborhood moose, cause they were breaking fences and scaring horses.

Grizz

[Big Thumper]

Originally Posted by HighlandHeart

Not true at all. I lived in Yellowknife for six years and knew a few families of Newfies that used to head to the Canol trail every September and none of them were status Indians. This story has nothing to do with sustenance hunters or status.

If they are hunting in the YK they are doing so illegally unless they have a host/guide.

[st99]

Originally Posted by HighlandHeart

Not true at all. I lived in Yellowknife for six years and knew a few families of Newfies that used to head to the Canol trail every September and none of them were status Indians. This story has nothing to do with sustenance hunters or status.

For non-treaty, to legally hunt in the Yukon you need 1 year of permanent residency. So your newfie friends are poachers.

[Tundra Monkey]

There is no poaching by NWT licensed hunters.

Licensed hunters from the NWT go up the North Canol Road to get into the NWT. It is over 300km's from the community of Ross River. It takes 10hrs to do this portion of the trip.

We then drive to the game station located 18km into the NWT where a NWT ENR officer is located. We check in, tell him where we'll be, check out when we leave. He inspects all of the animals and provides export permits to cross thru the Yukon & BC to get home.

During this 18 km stretch of he NWT.....we are not permitted to hunt.

We are not allowed to park our vehicle outside of 30m from the centre line of the "road". This essentially takes away 80% of the spots suitable for camping. We show up late so the 6 spots are gone when we get there. We punch our trucks into the willows and leave them here.

When we leave to head in we are not allowed to hunt until we reach Boulder Creek. Another 5 miles of distance. Even here, we cannot hunt the calving ground area.

We travel another 40 miles or so and set up camp. This is where we hunt. I have never seen a Ross River resident this far in.

They hunt the front and take mostly caribou. Several hundred between their groups each year. The odd moose gets taken in this area as well. As resident hunters we are allowed a moose, dall & a caribou if you bought tags. Once in a lifetime grizz as well.

i don't go there because of need the meat. I go there because I love to hunt and this is a world class area. I did not shoot a moose last year because I couldn't find a 60+" moose. Our group of 4 took 3 moose & 3 bou. I didn't shoot a bou because I couldn't find one that tickled my fancy. It would cost $40k for a non NWT resident to walk in there with an outfitter and do the same hunt.

Yukon residents hunt the area from Ross to the border......not NWT hunters.

On our drive home we will see maybe 10 hunt camps occupied during 150km's of road West of the border. This is what they consider busy there.

Last year was "busy" on the NWT side. There was about 50 guys spread out over September hunting over 1000's of square miles. Usually 35 or so go in but all the talks of closures and blockades made a bunch of others show up before it was taken away like everything else up here.

I'll write more on here when I get to a computer if this thread isn't locked down.

[Arctic]

You've got resident hunters going there legally, some are leaving messes to be cleaned up, .. . Legitimate beef from the locals!
Then there are the others with status taking what they want, without local band permission.
It all depends upon what the wording is in the land claims agreement, some have wording that only gives status to their members on their recognized land, anyone from another area requires permission given to hunt there. This is the conflict, ...outside "status" hunting where that status does not apply. And the NWT game officers not enforcing the land claim wording!

[Tundra Monkey]

Only mess we leave in there is the extra firewood we drag up there Arctic.

I'll give you a shout for coffee and bring you back your books soon lol!!!!

[HighlandHeart]

Nice to hear people who know what they are talking about chiming in instead of armchair experts.

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by HighlandHeart

Not true at all. I lived in Yellowknife for six years and knew a few families of Newfies that used to head to the Canol trail every September and none of them were status Indians. This story has nothing to do with sustenance hunters or status.

He said it's "quite frustrating" for members whose hunt have been unsuccessful when they see outsiders with big hauls.
"A number of them, when they are on their journey back home see these great big trucks loaded up with their quads and freezers and you know they have a bunch of racks on there," Redies said.

Sounds more like sustenance hunters then a few Newfies to me. Unless your supposed friends are poachers.

Also, I know a few hunters from the NWT that come to this area to hunt.
All are status and take more then one animal when possible.
One of them is a shirt tail relative of ours.

I find it hard to imagine that the same thing does not happen in the Yukon.

[JDK71]

it is funny when the shoe is on the other foot

[HighlandHeart]

Originally Posted by KegRiver

Sounds more like sustenance hunters then a few Newfies to me. Unless your supposed friends are poachers.

Also, I know a few hunters from the NWT that come to this area to hunt.
All are status and take more then one animal when possible.
One of them is a shirt tail relative of ours.

I find it hard to imagine that the same thing does not happen in the Yukon.

Never said they were my friends. Did you bother to read any of the posts above from someone who has hunted there? Never let facts get in the way of a good argument.

[diamonddave]

Lol Treaty status folks want the right to hunt wherever whenever however they want, but now they don't want the non treaty folk, OR other treaty folk, to hunt their land??? Talk about speaking with a forked tongue

[Torkdiesel]

Originally Posted by urban rednek

There are no words to properly express the delicious irony of this story.

Yep. I laughed my ass off when I read that article!!!

[ovis40]

[QUOTE=Tundra Monkey;3609663]There is no poaching by NWT licensed hunters.

The game station is mile 222. So 40 miles in must put you beyond Caribou Pass, Moose Valley perhaps? Not sure why in the video "Challenging the NWT" Eastman called it moose valley, only ever saw one bull there the whole time I guided there.
Do you hunt there every year? I find it interesting on the number of Caribou taken each year. When I was up there some years the Caribou would't come through the area each side of Sam Millers place. Now that the area has been sold PM me and I can give you a hint or two.

[Buck du Nord]

Originally Posted by Tundra Monkey

There is no poaching by NWT licensed hunters.

Licensed hunters from the NWT go up the North Canol Road to get into the NWT. It is over 300km's from the community of Ross River. It takes 10hrs to do this portion of the trip.

We then drive to the game station located 18km into the NWT where a NWT ENR officer is located. We check in, tell him where we'll be, check out when we leave. He inspects all of the animals and provides export permits to cross thru the Yukon & BC to get home.

During this 18 km stretch of he NWT.....we are not permitted to hunt.

We are not allowed to park our vehicle outside of 30m from the centre line of the "road". This essentially takes away 80% of the spots suitable for camping. We show up late so the 6 spots are gone when we get there. We punch our trucks into the willows and leave them here.

When we leave to head in we are not allowed to hunt until we reach Boulder Creek. Another 5 miles of distance. Even here, we cannot hunt the calving ground area.

We travel another 40 miles or so and set up camp. This is where we hunt. I have never seen a Ross River resident this far in.

They hunt the front and take mostly caribou. Several hundred between their groups each year. The odd moose gets taken in this area as well. As resident hunters we are allowed a moose, dall & a caribou if you bought tags. Once in a lifetime grizz as well.

i don't go there because of need the meat. I go there because I love to hunt and this is a world class area. I did not shoot a moose last year because I couldn't find a 60+" moose. Our group of 4 took 3 moose & 3 bou. I didn't shoot a bou because I couldn't find one that tickled my fancy. It would cost $40k for a non NWT resident to walk in there with an outfitter and do the same hunt.

Yukon residents hunt the area from Ross to the border......not NWT hunters.

On our drive home we will see maybe 10 hunt camps occupied during 150km's of road West of the border. This is what they consider busy there.

Last year was "busy" on the NWT side. There was about 50 guys spread out over September hunting over 1000's of square miles. Usually 35 or so go in but all the talks of closures and blockades made a bunch of others show up before it was taken away like everything else up here.

I'll write more on here when I get to a computer if this thread isn't locked down.

Really good answer Tundra ! When I read what you wrote you remember me some good memory. I unfortunately discover that paradise on earth to late. I went there hunting only once, the last year of my posting in Yellowknife. If I don't talk about my trailer problems on the way back, it was an amazing trip. I wish I will go back there one day. And I also wish to go fishing white fish with my kids at Tartan rapids again !