Education update, Masks now required in all schools

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by Scott h

No, but I've ventilated quite a few....

How many of them died?
Because new studies are showing that ventilating covid patients as opposed to just giving them oxygen was likely behind a lot of the deaths early on.
If your in the medical field I'm sure you know that already though, as AHS has recently changed their criteria for applying a ventilator because of those findings.

Now back to our regular scheduled fear mongering...

[270person]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Scott are you a medical professional that has ventilated children due to Covid related issues?

Congrats Mr Rhetorical.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Scott are you a medical professional that has ventilated children due to Covid related issues?

Not covid. There hasn't been many paediatric cases yet in Canada that required ventilation, but there is a ton of potential this fall.
Isn't something as simple as a mask worth the effort?????

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Scott are you a medical professional that has ventilated children due to Covid related issues?

That's what he wrote

[raab]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Not covid. There hasn't been many paediatric cases yet in Canada that required ventilation, but there is a ton of potential this fall.
Isn't something as simple as a mask worth the effort?????

O, really what's a ton? You may want to look at the world wide stats for NICU/PICU admits due to Covid

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Not covid. There hasn't been many paediatric cases yet in Canada that required ventilation, but there is a ton of potential this fall.
Isn't something as simple as a mask worth the effort?????

What would the change be where kids may require intensive care due to the vid? Mutation of the virus?
Hasn't been an issue yet......curious is all

How many have actually required ventilation due to the vid to date?

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by CBintheNorth

How many of them died?
Because new studies are showing that ventilating covid patients as opposed to just giving them oxygen was likely behind a lot of the deaths early on.
If your in the medical field I'm sure you know that already though, as AHS has recently changed their criteria for applying a ventilator because of those findings.

Now back to our regular scheduled fear mongering...

You are correct. You will be treated different today than you would have been in April. The initial information showed that early intubation was the way to go....now that will be put off depending on how the patient tolerates alternate therapy's.
That may change again in 2 weeks. This is a new disease so everyone should put off getting infected as long as possible.........

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Scott h

LOL !!!! Sorry but people with medical backgrounds have already got themselves and their children well accustomed to wearing masks.

No they don’t.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by chuck

No they don’t.

Maybe not in your circle.....

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Not covid. There hasn't been many paediatric cases yet in Canada that required ventilation, but there is a ton of potential this fall.
Isn't something as simple as a mask worth the effort?????

When you were studying in university you surely remember philosophy right? Do you remember what a Straw Man argument is? In your medical studies you should also be aware how to spell "pediatric"....being a medical professional and all.

[raab]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

What would the change be where kids may require intensive care due to the vid? Mutation of the virus?
Hasn't been an issue yet......curious is all

How many have actually required ventilation due to the vid to date?

Mutations usually lessen the severity of the virus.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by raab

Mutations usually lessen the severity of the virus.

It's not mutations.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

When you were studying in university you surely remember philosophy right? Do you remember what a Straw Man argument is? In your medical studies you should also be aware how to spell "pediatric"....being a medical professional and all.

https://www.cps.ca/

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

When you were studying in university you surely remember philosophy right? Do you remember what a Straw Man argument is? In your medical studies you should also be aware how to spell "pediatric"....being a medical professional and all.

Originally Posted by Scott h

https://www.cps.ca/

Yes Scott, I am aware and becoming more amused by the minute.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Maybe not in your circle.....

I can add a bunch more across North America and one in New Zealand. Which BC hospital are you in I may know one of your Co workers to add to the list?

You make very big assumptions that all professionals are on the same page

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

I can add a bunch more across North America and one in New Zealand. Which BC hospital are you in I may know one of your Co workers to add to the list?

You make very big assumptions that all professionals are on the same page

Not all all on the same page, same as in any profession.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Scott h

It's not mutations.

What's this even mean? And talking of mutations https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...more-dangerous

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Scott h

It's not mutations.

What is it? Inquiring minds want to know

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by raab

What's this even mean? And talking of mutations https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...more-dangerous

It means that mutation isn't the issue. The problem is that the infection causes many issues that vary case to case. You may have an oxygenation issue with covid, but is it true pneumonia, pulmonary embolus, decreased cardiac output ????

[raab]

Originally Posted by Scott h

It means that mutation isn't the issue. The problem is that the infection causes many issues that vary case to case. You may have an oxygenation issue with covid, but is it true pneumonia, pulmonary embolus, decreased cardiac output ????

Of course there's several issues the disease is causing, but most of them don't happen in children which is what we're talking about in this thread. The fact is young children very rarely show severe symptoms and the research suggests they are at low risk for transmitting the virus. The decision made by the CBE was not made by medical professionals. It was made by politicians, based on their opinions, not facts.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by raab

Of course there's several issues the disease is causing, but most of them don't happen in children which is what we're talking about in this thread. The fact is young children very rarely show severe symptoms and the research suggests they are at low risk for transmitting the virus. The decision made by the CBE was not made by medical professionals. It was made by politicians, based on their opinions, not facts.

I'm glad you're confident that that those issues don't effect children.

https://www.hopkinsallchildrens.org/...s-Study-of-Ant

[Smoky buck]

Odds are the mask rule in school is more about general spread of Covid19 not to protect kids. It also likely about protecting teachers about contracting Covid19

These mask rules from what I understand are likely to do with concerned teachers and parents not suggestions from medical professionals.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Odds are the mask rule in school is more about general spread of Covid19 not to protect kids. It also likely about protecting teachers about contracting Covid19

These mask rules from what I understand are likely to do with concerned teachers and parents not suggestions from medical professionals.

Don't teachers deserve the protection that something as simple as a mask can provide?

[raab]

Originally Posted by Scott h

I'm glad you're confident that that those issues don't effect children.

https://www.hopkinsallchildrens.org/...s-Study-of-Ant

No, I'm saying if it isn't safe enough for the kids to go back to school without masks. They shouldn't be going. I personally feel it's safe. Although if our medical authorities require masks, then they're putting kids into a dangerous situation and lining themselves up for a lawsuit. As they're acknowledging it's dangerous due to the mask requirement.

I should also add, I'm concerned about the longterm psychological effect this could have on the kids. Which can't be measured at this point.

[MountainTi]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Don't teachers deserve the protection that something as simple as a mask can provide?

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Total Albertan Covid related deaths 220.
Over 80 years old - 149
70-79 years old - 51
60-69 years old - 15
50-59 years old - 2
40-49 years old - 1
30-39 years old - 1
20-29 years old - 1
Under 29 - 0

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Well unless those teachers are over the age of 70, looks to me like the odds are with them lol

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by raab

No, I'm saying if it isn't safe enough for the kids to go back to school without masks. They shouldn't be going. I personally feel it's safe. Although if our medical authorities require masks, then they're putting kids into a dangerous situation and lining themselves up for a lawsuit. As they're acknowledging it's dangerous due to the mask requirement.

You didn't think the current pandemic was dangerous ????

[raab]

Originally Posted by Scott h

You didn't think the current pandemic was dangerous ????

I don't think it is, and I believe the research suggests the same. In saying that if you're worried about intubating kids how can you allow them to be put back in school?

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

Well unless those teachers are over the age of 70, looks to me like the odds are with them lol

The odds of dying are not the same thing as the odds of getting very, very sick.

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by MountainTi

Well unless those teachers are over the age of 70, looks to me like the odds are with them lol

Now you are using logic and facts against Scotts emotional based arguments. He is a unique snowflake, be kind.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by raab

I don't think it is, and I believe the research suggests the same. In saying that if you're worried about intubating kids how can you allow them to be put back in school?

I'm not the one allowing kids to go back to school and it's known there will be some get sick. Masks are kinda like the argument about wearing a helmet on a motorcycle. It's not that hard to do.