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Old 05-11-2018, 02:54 PM
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I had a savage axis chambered in 6.5 creedmoor and sold it , I want another rifle chambered the same but want something better.

Anyone recommend a 6.5 creedmoor they have had good results with.?

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what ya gonna do with it? budget?

this one looks like a good hunter
http://www.sako.fi/rifles/sako-a7/a7-roughtech-pro

about five steps above that savage at i'm sure 3x the price but you could quit shopping with that one

this one looks sweet too
http://www.browning.com/products/fir...-bolt-pro.html

for precision style rifles you would be hard pressed to beat the tikka ctr or a howa chassis rifle

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what ya gonna do with it? budget?

this one looks like a good hunter
http://www.sako.fi/rifles/sako-a7/a7-roughtech-pro

about five steps above that savage at i'm sure 3x the price but you could quit shopping with that one

this one looks sweet too
http://www.browning.com/products/fir...-bolt-pro.html

for precision style rifles you would be hard pressed to beat the tikka ctr or a howa chassis rifle
Just going to use it for deer hunting and varmint , budget to 1200$ or so
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Buy a weatherby vanguard for 800.00 (or a bit less) excellent rifles and really good shooters. In my opinion, about the best value in the market.
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Bergaras are great rifles. Rem 700 clone. Have 3 d8fferent buddies with them......holy smokes those rifles shoot
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I have a Ruger Hawkeye Predator in 6.5 creedmoor, medium contour barrel and laminate stainless configuration. It's the first Ruger I've owned with a decent trigger, the two stage target trigger really is first rate.

Pretty sure you can find this rifle for $1,300 or so, mine is extremely accurate and a good conbination of light enough to carry, and solid enough for range time.

Pretty much every rifle manufacturer now chambers the 6.5 creed of course, just avoid the "value" guns and you'll be fine....those are for a .308 that you dust off for hunting season, you will want to shoot the 6.5 a lot.
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Buy a weatherby vanguard for 800.00 (or a bit less) excellent rifles and really good shooters. In my opinion, about the best value in the market.
x2, good choice, howa action!
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I picked up one of these in 6.5 CM.
Super accurate with Hornady 129gr IL North American Whitetail loads.
I shoot my Tikka in 6.5 x 55 Swede more though.
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One nice thing about the 6.5 CM, in just the last few months, is good factory hunting loads available at very reasonable (30.00) per box. Combine that and a Wby V2 and its a heck of a good hunting rifle. Good luck!
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I may have a Browning X-bolt CM for sale very soon if you like that brand and model.
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Out to 600 yards a 308 and a 6.5 cm are almost identical with an SST bullet of similar weight according to my ballistic calculators. 1000ftlbs And 1800ish fps. Which is the slowest speed recommended by most hunting bullets. Thats on the slim side of suitable for an elk. Everytime i see arguments on here about ballistics its always a high bc bullet lower weight vs a low bc heavier bullet. 7mm vs 300win, 308 vs 6.5cm. The 308 has better ballistics than a 6.5 creedmoor if you compare two bullets of the same weight. If you compare a lighter bullet from a creedmoor to a heavier bullet from a 308 obviously the lighter bullet will have less drop. Whomever posted the creedmoor has better ballistics at 600 yards are using a different calculator than i am. Ive checked 2-3 different ones. I dont shoot 308 or a 6.5cm. These pics are a 6.5cm 140gr sst vs 308 150gr sst. As close as can get to same weight.


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Out to 600 yards a 308 and a 6.5 cm are almost identical with an SST bullet of similar weight according to my ballistic calculators. 1000ftlbs And 1800ish fps. Which is the slowest speed recommended by most hunting bullets. Thats on the slim side of suitable for an elk. Everytime i see arguments on here about ballistics its always a high bc bullet lower weight vs a low bc heavier bullet. 7mm vs 300win, 308 vs 6.5cm. The 308 has better ballistics than a 6.5 creedmoor if you compare two bullets of the same weight. If you compare a lighter bullet from a creedmoor to a heavier bullet from a 308 obviously the lighter bullet will have less drop. Whomever posted the creedmoor has better ballistics at 600 yards are using a different calculator than i am. Ive checked 2-3 different ones. I dont shoot 308 or a 6.5cm. These pics are a 6.5cm 140gr sst vs 308 150gr sst. As close as can get to same weight.



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If you run the Ballistics for the 143 ELDX at 2700 fps, which is claimed by Hornady with their factory round, you will find that it has 1155 ft. lbs. energy at 600 yards. That is about 100 ft. lbs. more than either SST bullet in your calculations. It is actually about 2 ft. lbs. less than the 145 Speer BT, at 2900 fps. from a 7mm08. In this instance the 6.5 CM and the 7mm-08 are ballistically superior to a 308 with the 150 SST bullet and are ballistic twins. They do both have less recoil andI used the 7mm08, with the 145 Speer for years, and had no problems taking moose to 600 yards. I would likely take the 6.5 CM over the 7mm/08 as it would have the least amount of recoil and I can buy factory ammo for it.
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All this thread has done for me is make me want one even more.
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All this thread has done for me is make me want one even more.
Great , I think I know where there is one ..
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All this thread has done for me is make me want one even more.

I decided on a vanguard series 2 all weather model can't wait to get it!
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If you run the Ballistics for the 143 ELDX at 2700 fps, which is claimed by Hornady with their factory round, you will find that it has 1155 ft. lbs. energy at 600 yards. That is about 100 ft. lbs. more than either SST bullet in your calculations. It is actually about 2 ft. lbs. less than the 145 Speer BT, at 2900 fps. from a 7mm08. In this instance the 6.5 CM and the 7mm-08 are ballistically superior to a 308 with the 150 SST bullet and are ballistic twins. They do both have less recoil andI used the 7mm08, with the 145 Speer for years, and had no problems taking moose to 600 yards. I would likely take the 6.5 CM over the 7mm/08 as it would have the least amount of recoil and I can buy factory ammo for it.


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If you run the Ballistics for the 143 ELDX at 2700 fps, which is claimed by Hornady with their factory round, you will find that it has 1155 ft. lbs. energy at 600 yards. That is about 100 ft. lbs. more than either SST bullet in your calculations. It is actually about 2 ft. lbs. less than the 145 Speer BT, at 2900 fps. from a 7mm08. In this instance the 6.5 CM and the 7mm-08 are ballistically superior to a 308 with the 150 SST bullet and are ballistic twins. They do both have less recoil andI used the 7mm08, with the 145 Speer for years, and had no problems taking moose to 600 yards. I would likely take the 6.5 CM over the 7mm/08 as it would have the least amount of recoil and I can buy factory ammo for it.
Your comparing two different bullets. and ELDX vs an SST. Which one has better BC. ELDX. So what happens when you change that SST to 155gr ELDM from the 308. Rerun your numbers. The 308 has more velocity which means it has more ftlbs. It wins when you compare the same bullet design /weight. The creedmoor would be even slower pushing a 150gr bullet. The 308 would be faster again. The extra velocity makes up for the slightly lower BC inside these ranges. It also punches a bigger hole. What will bleed faster a vessel (elk/deer) with a .264 hole, or a .308 diamter hole. There is zero argument against this.
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Your comparing two different bullets. and ELDX vs an SST. Which one has better BC. ELDX. So what happens when you change that SST to 155gr ELDM from the 308. Rerun your numbers. The 308 has more velocity which means it has more ftlbs. It wins when you compare the same bullet design /weight. The creedmoor would be even slower pushing a 150gr bullet. The 308 would be faster again. The extra velocity makes up for the slightly lower BC inside these ranges. It also punches a bigger hole. What will bleed faster a vessel (elk/deer) with a .264 hole, or a .308 diamter hole. There is zero argument against this.
You are also comparing 2 different bullets, an ELDMatch and ELDX(hybrid). The match has an inherent higher BC where as the X is a better performer on game. The long slender design of the heavy for caliber ELDX allows the petals to open up wide, the wound channel will be bigger than .264 by quite a bit.

No matter what bullet, when compared evenly, pound for pound you'll get more punch from the Creedmoor than the 308.
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Your comparing two different bullets. and ELDX vs an SST. Which one has better BC. ELDX. So what happens when you change that SST to 155gr ELDM from the 308. Rerun your numbers. The 308 has more velocity which means it has more ftlbs. It wins when you compare the same bullet design /weight. The creedmoor would be even slower pushing a 150gr bullet. The 308 would be faster again. The extra velocity makes up for the slightly lower BC inside these ranges. It also punches a bigger hole. What will bleed faster a vessel (elk/deer) with a .264 hole, or a .308 diamter hole. There is zero argument against this.
Hornady make the ELD-X in 178 grain, with .552 BC, and claim 2600 fps for their Factory load. At 600 yards it is traveling 1736 fps, has 1191 ft.lbs. energy and requires 15.5 MOA. The 308 does have 36 ft.lbs. more energy but the bullet is traveling 100 fps slower so the 6.5 bullet may open up to the same diameter as the 308 bullet but you will require 15.5 MOA to get to 600 yards. Again the 308 will have much more recoil for very little gain in terminal performance. By comparison a 30-06 with Factory Win PP bullets will have 1107 ft.lbs. retained energy and the bullet will be traveling 1664 fps. I have found one of these bullets, nicely mushroomed, under the hide on the other side of a moose shot at 600 yards. The 270 with 130 Win PPP are traveling 1734 fps and have only 881 ft. lbs. retained energy but I never recovered a bullet from more than one moose after taking out both lungs at 600 yards (must have had sufficient momentum). For those who believe that the 7mm Mag is superior to these cartridges the Barnes factory TSX, with advertised velocity of 3120, has 1030.9 ft.lbs. retained energy and requires 12MOA to reach 600 yards.

The fact of the matter is that a well placed bullet from any of these cartridges, with loads mentioned, will perform very near the same at 600 yards and the moose, elk, or deer will be dead. No amount of rationalizing about what competitive shooters are doing, speculating about marketing, making claims about other bigger calibers being betteretc. will make a bit of difference but the felt recoil does to me at least. I heard all the rhetoric about lady's gun, 250 yard deer gun, my gun is bigger than yours etc. for years after I learned that the 7mm08 would do everything my 7mm mag could do with much less recoil.
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There is no eldx available in 30 caliber under 178gr that is why i choose sst to compare in the first place. Identical bullet design in as close as weight as possible in those calibers. You cant compare a 6.5m to 308 if your not using as close as set of variables as possible. Which bullet has higher bc a eldx 178gr or a 180gr rem corelokt. In 308. You cant compare ballistics of those bullets the eldx fired from same gun at same velocity, in all tests will win. The 308 will push a 143gr bullet faster than a creedmoor by a fair margin. Given same weight of bullet. So if we went closer in BC with same bullet then the 308 ballistics are same or better.
Is it fair to compare a 180gr bullet shot slowly vs a 140gr bullet faster. Who wins are we measuring energy its 308 still. Who wins if the creedmore tried to push a 180 gr bullet really slow and the 308 allowed to fire a 140gr match bullet faster. Taking the rifle/ recoil etc out of the equation is how you compare bullets. The shooter supplies the accuracy. (Wind and drop)The only way to compare hunting “ballistics” is with down range energy at the velocity that the bullets are designed to expand which most manufacturers is 1800fps . Yes the 6.5 will open up larger diameter but so will the 308, and the larger hole allows to bleed out faster. If we are again comparing the same bullet for a fair comparison.

Im not a 600 yard shooter. This is each hunters personal pick they choose a bullet and should know how low they are willing to accept for velocity and energy. If you are ok shooting sub 1000 ftlbs and right on the dieing edge of the velocity required for your bullet to function fill your boots. For a long shot why would you not want more energy and velocity then the bare theoretical minimum that the 308 or creedmoor can provide.

When comparing 308 to 6.5 creedmoor why not just say the creedmoor is just a similar option to a 308. The creedmoor didnt reinvent the 6.5 hunting caliber. If you want a bigger hole shoot a 308. Other options are 7mm08, 257, 270 win, all depends on the size of the caliber you prefer to hunt with.


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There is no eldx available in 30 caliber under 178gr that is why i choose sst to compare in the first place. Identical bullet design in as close as weight as possible in those calibers. You cant compare a 6.5m to 308 if your not using as close as set of variables as possible. Which bullet has higher bc a eldx 178gr or a 180gr rem corelokt. In 308. You cant compare ballistics of those bullets the eldx fired from same gun at same velocity, in all tests will win. The 308 will push a 143gr bullet faster than a creedmoor by a fair margin. Given same weight of bullet. So if we went closer in BC with same bullet then the 308 ballistics are same or better.
Is it fair to compare a 180gr bullet shot slowly vs a 140gr bullet faster. Who wins are we measuring energy its 308 still. Who wins if the creedmore tried to push a 180 gr bullet really slow and the 308 allowed to fire a 140gr match bullet faster. Taking the rifle/ recoil etc out of the equation is how you compare bullets. The shooter supplies the accuracy. (Wind and drop)The only way to compare hunting “ballistics” is with down range energy at the velocity that the bullets are designed to expand which most manufacturers is 1800fps . Yes the 6.5 will open up larger diameter but so will the 308, and the larger hole allows to bleed out faster. If we are again comparing the same bullet for a fair comparison.

Im not a 600 yard shooter. This is each hunters personal pick they choose a bullet and should know how low they are willing to accept for velocity and energy. If you are ok shooting sub 1000 ftlbs and right on the dieing edge of the velocity required for your bullet to function fill your boots. For a long shot why would you not want more energy and velocity then the bare theoretical minimum that the 308 or creedmoor can provide.

When comparing 308 to 6.5 creedmoor why not just say the creedmoor is just a similar option to a 308. The creedmoor didnt reinvent the 6.5 hunting caliber. If you want a bigger hole shoot a 308. Other options are 7mm08, 257, 270 win, all depends on the size of the caliber you prefer to hunt with.


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A 308 has a muzzle velocity higher than that of a Creedmoor when both are shooting the same grain projectile, however because of the laws of physics both being the same weight the 6.5 will soon exceed the speed and hitting power of the 308 because of a higher BC, but no matter the BC the 308 will always kick harder if stock designed are the same.

Long shots are not the goal, but having a cartridge that will have the energy to get the job done at my max big game animal range (which happens to be around the 600yd mark), with such mild recoil is sweet.
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There is no eldx available in 30 caliber under 178gr that is why i choose sst to compare in the first place. Identical bullet design in as close as weight as possible in those calibers. You cant compare a 6.5m to 308 if your not using as close as set of variables as possible. Which bullet has higher bc a eldx 178gr or a 180gr rem corelokt. In 308. You cant compare ballistics of those bullets the eldx fired from same gun at same velocity, in all tests will win. The 308 will push a 143gr bullet faster than a creedmoor by a fair margin. Given same weight of bullet. So if we went closer in BC with same bullet then the 308 ballistics are same or better.
Is it fair to compare a 180gr bullet shot slowly vs a 140gr bullet faster. Who wins are we measuring energy its 308 still. Who wins if the creedmore tried to push a 180 gr bullet really slow and the 308 allowed to fire a 140gr match bullet faster. Taking the rifle/ recoil etc out of the equation is how you compare bullets. The shooter supplies the accuracy. (Wind and drop)The only way to compare hunting “ballistics” is with down range energy at the velocity that the bullets are designed to expand which most manufacturers is 1800fps . Yes the 6.5 will open up larger diameter but so will the 308, and the larger hole allows to bleed out faster. If we are again comparing the same bullet for a fair comparison.

Im not a 600 yard shooter. This is each hunters personal pick they choose a bullet and should know how low they are willing to accept for velocity and energy. If you are ok shooting sub 1000 ftlbs and right on the dieing edge of the velocity required for your bullet to function fill your boots. For a long shot why would you not want more energy and velocity then the bare theoretical minimum that the 308 or creedmoor can provide.

When comparing 308 to 6.5 creedmoor why not just say the creedmoor is just a similar option to a 308. The creedmoor didnt reinvent the 6.5 hunting caliber. If you want a bigger hole shoot a 308. Other options are 7mm08, 257, 270 win, all depends on the size of the caliber you prefer to hunt with.


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You were absolutely right when you stated this, "The only way to compare hunting “ballistics” is with down range energy at the velocity that the bullets are designed to expand which most manufacturers is 1800fps ". You should have realized that the object is to find the 'Optimum" bullet in each cartridge to meet the criteria that you laid out. I pointed out that I have seen Factory 180 grain Win PP Bullets "under the hide on the other side of a moose" and that Factory 130 Win PP bullets from a 270 would pass through at 600 yards. A 308 with a 180 Win would likely not have enough energy, or momentum to, pass through so both other calibers would leave a longer wound channel and the one from the 270 would likely bleed out more as it will bleed out both sides. In any event the moose will be dead if the bullets passed through, or into both lungs.

The 6.5 Creedmore, with the 143 ELDX satisfies the minimum velocity, as it is still traveling at 1836 fps and has 1191 ft.lbs. energy at 600 yards. I estimate that it would make a complete pass through on a moose. The 178 ELDX is a much better choice than the SST as it meets the criteria and actually has better "hunting ballistics than the Creedmore but with more felt recoil as I pointed out. So I guess rather than comparing calibers and cartridges you should compare the terminal ballistics of "Bullets" or available ammunition as the winner will be the bullet with the best ballistics.

There are a lot of people that get hung up on Caliber and cartridge when comparing hunting ballistics. My gun is bigger than yours, or the 300 win mag , STW and 7mmMag are much better long range choices than your lady's gun. Invariably they get their nose out of joint when I show them that their "Mans gun" actually has much the same or inferior hunting ballistics at 600 yards with the ammunition we have chosen. In fact my RCBS Load program has the ballistics for nearly every Factory Round made. I can easily point out at least a dozen factory loads in 7mm Mag, 7mm STW and 300 Win Mag that are similar to, or inferior, to the 6.5 Creedmore with the 143 ELDX Factory load at 600 yards. However they will all kill moose/elk/deer if the shooter is capable of placing a bullet through both lungs.

Instead of all of the hatefull bickering that goes on when discussing cartridges that are different than our "pet" cartridges perhaps we should analize each one for their merits or their faults. Hornady and other manufacturers have done a great job, since the introduction of the 375 Ruger, in bringing out cartridges that fit better in magazines when seated out to the lands and supplying quality ammunition among other things, than most other cartridge designs. For this I applaud their efforts.
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Instead of all of the hatefull bickering that goes on when discussing cartridges that are different than our "pet" cartridges perhaps we should analize each one for their merits or their faults. Hornady and other manufacturers have done a great job, since the introduction of the 375 Ruger, in bringing out cartridges that fit better in magazines when seated out to the lands and supplying quality ammunition among other things, than most other cartridge designs. For this I applaud their efforts.
Well said, your whole post.

I think if you start a shopping list, the actual cartridge should be further down the list as well.

The intended use will lead you first to the bullets you want to shoot...if that intended use is both game and long range it narrows things down further as you'll be looking at b.c. AND s.d. and also weight, plus size of big game intended. If you don't reload and would like to do things factory then it narrows down even further...aka hornady lol.

But seriously, once you figure out what you're shooting at and how far you want to shoot it, and how hard you want to hit it, THENNNN you choose the bullets that will best suit (factor in b.c., s.d. weight, design type you prefer etc.), THEN you can start doing the math on how much powder it's going to take to get you there which is the same as figuring out which cartridges best suit all your intended goals. That's how to shop for your next rig imo.

I don't use ft/lbs in my shopping personally. I use min impact velocities for the types of bullets i prefer...more frangible, high b.c. and high s.d. so my maximum distances will be a little further but doesn't matter as i compare the same way across the board. I'm looking at max distance capability for say a deer if needed. I generally prefer amax, ballistic tip type frangibility and 1600 fps min impact for shopping requirements. Everyone will have slightly different requirements here...this is my personal rules to compare and shop.

In those rules a 6.5 grendel 123 gr comes aweful close to running with a .308 win 168 gr with half to 60% less recoil. It'll go 600 yards to my specs just as the 308 load does.

The creedmoor adds 200-250 yards to the grendel, we know it does similar to a 300 win mag rather than comparing to a .308....it blows the .308 out of the water using those rules.

The prc adds another 2-300 yards again over the creedmoor. Choose your needs and figure out how much recoil and muzzle blast etc. you want to live with to do it. If you're only going to shoot to 300 yards on game as so many do...you'd get by with a grendel just fine even though it can still dial a deer up at 600 and make that eld-m do what it needs to do, coyotes beware...dial your azzes up to 800 no prob . Nobody will recommend a 6.5 grendel for much past 400 because of the ft/lbs rules but i just don't suscribe to those. I suscribe to bullets min impact velocities, if your s.d. is high enough for the game chosen you're good to go. Nothing burning as little powder as the grendel has 3rd class game approved s.d.'s so it's maybe not just be a 400 yrd deer gun, elk/moose (no different than anyone who's only used .243's for everything, the grendel should match no prob) too and several elk etc. have fallen in those ranges from little i've seen on net but no matter, math is there to support. The creedmoor is more versatile as it'll do it 200-250 yards further and with a bit higher b.c. and s.d. again (140 gr), it is the choice for the masses and most versatile for most needs from hunting/long range shooting, and the prc does that again, 2-300 further with a bit higher b.c. and s.d. (147 gr).

Some people just like to hit things really hard too, so will choose a prc even though they never will shoot anything past 300 yards. That's ok. I personally wouldn't put up with the recoil and blast unless i wanted to go 1200 yards...then i'd look at the prc. 5-600 grendel no sweat, 6-800 creedmoor no sweat, 1000-1200...prc.
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Well said, your whole post.

I think if you start a shopping list, the actual cartridge should be further down the list as well.

The intended use will lead you first to the bullets you want to shoot...if that intended use is both game and long range it narrows things down further as you'll be looking at b.c. AND s.d. and also weight, plus size of big game intended. If you don't reload and would like to do things factory then it narrows down even further...aka hornady lol.

But seriously, once you figure out what you're shooting at and how far you want to shoot it, and how hard you want to hit it, THENNNN you choose the bullets that will best suit (factor in b.c., s.d. weight, design type you prefer etc.), THEN you can start doing the math on how much powder it's going to take to get you there which is the same as figuring out which cartridges best suit all your intended goals. That's how to shop for your next rig imo.

I don't use ft/lbs in my shopping personally. I use min impact velocities for the types of bullets i prefer...more frangible, high b.c. and high s.d. so my maximum distances will be a little further but doesn't matter as i compare the same way across the board. I'm looking at max distance capability for say a deer if needed. I generally prefer amax, ballistic tip type frangibility and 1600 fps min impact for shopping requirements. Everyone will have slightly different requirements here...this is my personal rules to compare and shop.

In those rules a 6.5 grendel 123 gr comes aweful close to running with a .308 win 168 gr with half to 60% less recoil. It'll go 600 yards to my specs just as the 308 load does.

The creedmoor adds 200-250 yards to the grendel, we know it does similar to a 300 win mag rather than comparing to a .308....it blows the .308 out of the water using those rules.

The prc adds another 2-300 yards again over the creedmoor. Choose your needs and figure out how much recoil and muzzle blast etc. you want to live with to do it. If you're only going to shoot to 300 yards on game as so many do...you'd get by with a grendel just fine even though it can still dial a deer up at 600 and make that eld-m do what it needs to do, coyotes beware...dial your azzes up to 800 no prob . Nobody will recommend a 6.5 grendel for much past 400 because of the ft/lbs rules but i just don't suscribe to those. I suscribe to bullets min impact velocities, if your s.d. is high enough for the game chosen you're good to go. Nothing burning as little powder as the grendel has 3rd class game approved s.d.'s so it's maybe not just be a 400 yrd deer gun, elk/moose (no different than anyone who's only used .243's for everything, the grendel should match no prob) too and several elk etc. have fallen in those ranges from little i've seen on net but no matter, math is there to support. The creedmoor is more versatile as it'll do it 200-250 yards further and with a bit higher b.c. and s.d. again (140 gr), it is the choice for the masses and most versatile for most needs from hunting/long range shooting, and the prc does that again, 2-300 further with a bit higher b.c. and s.d. (147 gr).

Some people just like to hit things really hard too, so will choose a prc even though they never will shoot anything past 300 yards. That's ok. I personally wouldn't put up with the recoil and blast unless i wanted to go 1200 yards...then i'd look at the prc. 5-600 grendel no sweat, 6-800 creedmoor no sweat, 1000-1200...prc.
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If you find time, try some of this stuff in the real world and let us know how it goes.
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What good would that do? Proof has proven not to be proof enough for you.

Maybe you should practice shooting more so you'll realize that when you actually hit an animal in the correct place, they die even if you're not using a magnum. I understand it's hard to believe until you actually do it.
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Just how i shop/compare, chances i'd shoot a deer at 600 with a grendel very slim lol, coyotes yes, the theoretical is all there and that's simply how i shop a new build to compare one to the next, that's all. A friend just bought a 28 nosler, likely not shoot past 600 and probably still kill like the rest of us at 350 or less, but he's talking about shooting the super high bc stuff at rediculous speeds, the theoretical goes so far i can't imagine lol. He likes overkill, big booms and that's just his style, nothing wrong with that. Apparently he wants to make sure he can hit them harder at 500 than a 300 win mag at the muzzle lol. I have a 520 yrd deer and a 620 yrd coyote on dial ups with a .270 set up and a .270 wsm set up, but stick to traditional ranges almost always, i don't look for long range opportunities but will take advantage once in a blue moon, like to set up for potential but never use it. 99% of my big game lands under 300 so not a biggie what i choose really. Nice to know the maximum potentials though and be set up for it, like to do thorough job in set up. Every now and then you have to finish something and i always like to be able to dial up a hung coyote no matter the rig i'm carrying. Oh, and i'm straight up a ballistics nerd, proud of it.
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