Go Back   Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum > Main Category > Guns & Ammo Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-11-2019, 08:45 AM
Scott h Scott h is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: At the lake
Posts: 1,735
Default Mauser feeding problem

I have a late 50's BSA that is in almost unused condition but will not "grab" a cartridge out of the magazine. It will push the cartridge out of the magazine, but due to the extractor it will not allow the bolt to close. Any mauser action people out there ?????
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 09-11-2019, 08:55 AM
Dean2's Avatar
Dean2 Dean2 is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 7,339
Default

The rim of the cartridge needs to slide between the extract and the bolt face while being pushed into place. If you sit a cartridge on top of the magazine follower loose, not pushed down into the mad well, will it feed that properly? If not, is the extractor free, or won't move?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-11-2019, 11:28 AM
fps plus fps plus is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 986
Default

The face of the extractor needs to be beveled properly to jump the rim of the cartridge
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-11-2019, 12:14 PM
Scott h Scott h is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: At the lake
Posts: 1,735
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean2 View Post
The rim of the cartridge needs to slide between the extract and the bolt face while being pushed into place. If you sit a cartridge on top of the magazine follower loose, not pushed down into the mad well, will it feed that properly? If not, is the extractor free, or won't move?
No it won't. It will just push the shell forward into the chamber but the extractor doesn't go over the rim of the cartridge there by preventing the bolt from closing. The extractor does move but it seems quite tight. I have the identical rifle in 222 and it feels a similiar tightness. The difference is with the 222 by the time the cartridge gets into the chamber, the rim has moved up in between the extractor and the bolt face. The 30-06 fails to move into that position.

Last edited by Scott h; 09-11-2019 at 12:29 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-11-2019, 12:17 PM
Scott h Scott h is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: At the lake
Posts: 1,735
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fps plus View Post
The face of the extractor needs to be beveled properly to jump the rim of the cartridge
Does the beveled edge of the extractor pop over the cartridge base?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-11-2019, 12:40 PM
Dean2's Avatar
Dean2 Dean2 is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 7,339
Default

Really hard to diagnose over email. Are u anywhere near edmonton, I would be happy to take a look at it for you.

The beveled edge will pop over a cartridge but that isn't the way a Mauser was designed to feed normally.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-11-2019, 12:45 PM
fps plus fps plus is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 986
Default

Most of the Mauser style extractors are not a true control feed anymore . Most are now designed so that the extractor can jump the rim if a cartridge runs ahead of the extractor.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-11-2019, 12:47 PM
Dean2's Avatar
Dean2 Dean2 is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 7,339
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fps plus View Post
Most of the Mauser style extractors are not a true control feed anymore . Most are now designed so that the extractor can jump the rim if a cartridge runs ahead of the extractor.
Agree but a late 50s BSA I am thinking would likely be either a redone 98 or a true control feed. It may also be a reworked Enfield. They made quite a few models so hard to know unless there is a picture or model posted.

Last edited by Dean2; 09-11-2019 at 12:54 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 09-11-2019, 12:49 PM
fps plus fps plus is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 986
Default

Nope
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-11-2019, 12:55 PM
fps plus fps plus is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 986
Default

Has the extractor been change ?
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-11-2019, 01:10 PM
Scott h Scott h is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: At the lake
Posts: 1,735
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fps plus View Post
Has the extractor been change ?
I would really be surprised if it had, but I can't say for sure
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-11-2019, 01:15 PM
Scott h Scott h is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: At the lake
Posts: 1,735
Default

Maybe a picture of the rifle and the cartridge failing to load may help explain things better than I'm doing.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-11-2019, 01:17 PM
Scott h Scott h is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: At the lake
Posts: 1,735
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean2 View Post
Really hard to diagnose over email. Are u anywhere near edmonton, I would be happy to take a look at it for you.

The beveled edge will pop over a cartridge but that isn't the way a Mauser was designed to feed normally.
Thanks, I appreciate your offer of help but unfortunately I'm in the Okanagan.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-11-2019, 01:26 PM
fps plus fps plus is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 986
Default

The underside of the extractor needs to be reworked slightly. The area where the cartridge first contacts the cartridge needs relief and a slight bevel . If unsure of what your doing dont mess with it or can mess up extraction and possibly ejection . Chances of finding a new extractor will be slim
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-11-2019, 01:32 PM
Deer Hunter's Avatar
Deer Hunter Deer Hunter is online now
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,794
Default

I agree with what fps is saying

Also, try it with a different brass manufacturer. Might change the way it slips under the extractor. Not all brass is the same dimensions as there are +/- tolerances.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-11-2019, 02:35 PM
catnthehat's Avatar
catnthehat catnthehat is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Ft. McMurray
Posts: 33,722
Default

That is a picture of a BSA Royal, my son has the same rifle in 257 Roberts.
he has never had any feeding issues with it, however.
Cat
__________________
" And then there's Neil Young- I'm certain there's a few loose strings on THAT guitar!"
Rex Murphy
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-11-2019, 02:41 PM
Deer Hunter's Avatar
Deer Hunter Deer Hunter is online now
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,794
Default

The BSA Royal Featherweights are great rifles.
Scotth's rifle looks like new. Very nice!
A bunch of them had that intergrated muzzle break though which was too bad...
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-11-2019, 02:43 PM
catnthehat's Avatar
catnthehat catnthehat is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Ft. McMurray
Posts: 33,722
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Hunter View Post
The BSA Royal Featherweights are great rifles.
Scotth's rifle looks like new. Very nice!
A bunch of them had that intergrated muzzle break though which was too bad...
They are fantastic rifles for sure!I have seen CF2's and monarchs with brakes but never a Royal.
Cat
__________________
" And then there's Neil Young- I'm certain there's a few loose strings on THAT guitar!"
Rex Murphy
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-11-2019, 06:19 PM
Scott h Scott h is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: At the lake
Posts: 1,735
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by catnthehat View Post
They are fantastic rifles for sure!I have seen CF2's and monarchs with brakes but never a Royal.
Cat
My 30-06 has a brake, the 222 doesn't.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-11-2019, 06:40 PM
Scott h Scott h is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: At the lake
Posts: 1,735
Default

A shell fits under the extractor, but it sorta "snaps" into position. The 222 slides into position much easier without the "snap"
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 09-11-2019, 07:18 PM
fps plus fps plus is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 986
Default

It is Normal to take a little effort to have the cartridge move up under the extractor. It is basically a big spring
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 09-11-2019, 08:09 PM
6.5 shooter 6.5 shooter is offline
Suspended User
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Medicine Hat
Posts: 2,425
Default

I wonder if the extractor has been bent back a little from someone trying to single feed the rifle and forcing it over the case??? judging from the picture It looks like the "claw" has a death grip on the case??? if so, that maybe your problem.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 09-11-2019, 08:45 PM
Deer Hunter's Avatar
Deer Hunter Deer Hunter is online now
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,794
Default

Try Remington brass. Case heads are smaller. 0.464"
Winchester 0.466"
Norma 0.468"
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 09-11-2019, 09:33 PM
Scott h Scott h is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: At the lake
Posts: 1,735
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deer Hunter View Post
Try Remington brass. Case heads are smaller. 0.464"
Winchester 0.466"
Norma 0.468"
I'll give that a try
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 09-12-2019, 05:43 AM
chuck's Avatar
chuck chuck is online now
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 11,780
Default

I would not modify the nose of the extractor. Extractor tension which is controlled by the extractor tail/body is where I would start. The other thing Id say is that with brass, the case head diameter is far less important to extractor fit than the leading angle of the extractor groove itself. That angle interfaces with the face of the extractor creating tension between the two.
__________________
"All rifle mechanisms are not the same when it comes to reliability in the field."
-Bob F.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 09-12-2019, 06:20 AM
chuck's Avatar
chuck chuck is online now
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 11,780
Default

I would not rule out magazine box or feed rails either. In short, Id be very careful who I sent it to for any modifications.
__________________
"All rifle mechanisms are not the same when it comes to reliability in the field."
-Bob F.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 09-12-2019, 07:14 AM
Scott h Scott h is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: At the lake
Posts: 1,735
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chuck View Post
I would not rule out magazine box or feed rails either. In short, Id be very careful who I sent it to for any modifications.
That's what I worry about, after it sitting for 60 years I'd hate to ruin it by sending it to someone that starts grinding down something only to find out that they guessed wrong.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 09-12-2019, 07:17 AM
Nyksta Nyksta is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Calgary
Posts: 1,332
Default

Are you reloading your own ammo? Check that you are not making your rounds too long. The round could be jumping out of the magazine box too early if it the nose of the bullet is hitting the feed ramp to early by being extra length.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 09-12-2019, 08:06 AM
Scott h Scott h is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: At the lake
Posts: 1,735
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyksta View Post
Are you reloading your own ammo? Check that you are not making your rounds too long. The round could be jumping out of the magazine box too early if it the nose of the bullet is hitting the feed ramp to early by being extra length.
I hadn't ever shot the rifle so I reloaded up some shells for it and on my first try I found out about the problem (probably why it's seen so little use). I have tried to get it to feed at home with empty cases with the same result.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 09-12-2019, 08:53 AM
Grizzly Adams's Avatar
Grizzly Adams Grizzly Adams is offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Central Alberta
Posts: 18,154
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott h View Post
A shell fits under the extractor, but it sorta "snaps" into position. The 222 slides into position much easier without the "snap"
That's a wicked looking extractor .

Grizz
__________________
"Indeed, no human being has yet lived under conditions which, considering the prevailing climates of the past, can be regarded as normal."
John E. Pfeiffer The Emergence of Man
written in 1969
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 06:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.