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Old 09-11-2019, 09:45 AM
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I have a late 50's BSA that is in almost unused condition but will not "grab" a cartridge out of the magazine. It will push the cartridge out of the magazine, but due to the extractor it will not allow the bolt to close. Any mauser action people out there ?????
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:55 AM
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The rim of the cartridge needs to slide between the extract and the bolt face while being pushed into place. If you sit a cartridge on top of the magazine follower loose, not pushed down into the mad well, will it feed that properly? If not, is the extractor free, or won't move?
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Old 09-11-2019, 12:28 PM
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The face of the extractor needs to be beveled properly to jump the rim of the cartridge
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Old 09-11-2019, 01:14 PM
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The rim of the cartridge needs to slide between the extract and the bolt face while being pushed into place. If you sit a cartridge on top of the magazine follower loose, not pushed down into the mad well, will it feed that properly? If not, is the extractor free, or won't move?
No it won't. It will just push the shell forward into the chamber but the extractor doesn't go over the rim of the cartridge there by preventing the bolt from closing. The extractor does move but it seems quite tight. I have the identical rifle in 222 and it feels a similiar tightness. The difference is with the 222 by the time the cartridge gets into the chamber, the rim has moved up in between the extractor and the bolt face. The 30-06 fails to move into that position.

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The face of the extractor needs to be beveled properly to jump the rim of the cartridge
Does the beveled edge of the extractor pop over the cartridge base?
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Old 09-11-2019, 01:40 PM
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Really hard to diagnose over email. Are u anywhere near edmonton, I would be happy to take a look at it for you.

The beveled edge will pop over a cartridge but that isn't the way a Mauser was designed to feed normally.
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Most of the Mauser style extractors are not a true control feed anymore . Most are now designed so that the extractor can jump the rim if a cartridge runs ahead of the extractor.
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Most of the Mauser style extractors are not a true control feed anymore . Most are now designed so that the extractor can jump the rim if a cartridge runs ahead of the extractor.
Agree but a late 50s BSA I am thinking would likely be either a redone 98 or a true control feed. It may also be a reworked Enfield. They made quite a few models so hard to know unless there is a picture or model posted.

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Old 09-11-2019, 01:49 PM
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Nope
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Has the extractor been change ?
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Old 09-11-2019, 02:10 PM
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Has the extractor been change ?
I would really be surprised if it had, but I can't say for sure
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Old 09-11-2019, 02:15 PM
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Maybe a picture of the rifle and the cartridge failing to load may help explain things better than I'm doing.
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Old 09-11-2019, 02:17 PM
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Really hard to diagnose over email. Are u anywhere near edmonton, I would be happy to take a look at it for you.

The beveled edge will pop over a cartridge but that isn't the way a Mauser was designed to feed normally.
Thanks, I appreciate your offer of help but unfortunately I'm in the Okanagan.
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The underside of the extractor needs to be reworked slightly. The area where the cartridge first contacts the cartridge needs relief and a slight bevel . If unsure of what your doing dont mess with it or can mess up extraction and possibly ejection . Chances of finding a new extractor will be slim
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Old 09-11-2019, 02:32 PM
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I agree with what fps is saying

Also, try it with a different brass manufacturer. Might change the way it slips under the extractor. Not all brass is the same dimensions as there are +/- tolerances.
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Old 09-11-2019, 03:35 PM
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That is a picture of a BSA Royal, my son has the same rifle in 257 Roberts.
he has never had any feeding issues with it, however.
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Old 09-11-2019, 03:41 PM
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The BSA Royal Featherweights are great rifles.
Scotth's rifle looks like new. Very nice!
A bunch of them had that intergrated muzzle break though which was too bad...
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Old 09-11-2019, 03:43 PM
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The BSA Royal Featherweights are great rifles.
Scotth's rifle looks like new. Very nice!
A bunch of them had that intergrated muzzle break though which was too bad...
They are fantastic rifles for sure!I have seen CF2's and monarchs with brakes but never a Royal.
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They are fantastic rifles for sure!I have seen CF2's and monarchs with brakes but never a Royal.
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My 30-06 has a brake, the 222 doesn't.
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Old 09-11-2019, 07:40 PM
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A shell fits under the extractor, but it sorta "snaps" into position. The 222 slides into position much easier without the "snap"
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:18 PM
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It is Normal to take a little effort to have the cartridge move up under the extractor. It is basically a big spring
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I wonder if the extractor has been bent back a little from someone trying to single feed the rifle and forcing it over the case??? judging from the picture It looks like the "claw" has a death grip on the case??? if so, that maybe your problem.
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Try Remington brass. Case heads are smaller. 0.464"
Winchester 0.466"
Norma 0.468"
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Try Remington brass. Case heads are smaller. 0.464"
Winchester 0.466"
Norma 0.468"
I'll give that a try
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Old 09-12-2019, 06:43 AM
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I would not modify the nose of the extractor. Extractor tension which is controlled by the extractor tail/body is where I would start. The other thing Id say is that with brass, the case head diameter is far less important to extractor fit than the leading angle of the extractor groove itself. That angle interfaces with the face of the extractor creating tension between the two.
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I would not rule out magazine box or feed rails either. In short, Id be very careful who I sent it to for any modifications.
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I would not rule out magazine box or feed rails either. In short, Id be very careful who I sent it to for any modifications.
That's what I worry about, after it sitting for 60 years I'd hate to ruin it by sending it to someone that starts grinding down something only to find out that they guessed wrong.
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Are you reloading your own ammo? Check that you are not making your rounds too long. The round could be jumping out of the magazine box too early if it the nose of the bullet is hitting the feed ramp to early by being extra length.
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Are you reloading your own ammo? Check that you are not making your rounds too long. The round could be jumping out of the magazine box too early if it the nose of the bullet is hitting the feed ramp to early by being extra length.
I hadn't ever shot the rifle so I reloaded up some shells for it and on my first try I found out about the problem (probably why it's seen so little use). I have tried to get it to feed at home with empty cases with the same result.
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A shell fits under the extractor, but it sorta "snaps" into position. The 222 slides into position much easier without the "snap"
That's a wicked looking extractor .

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