Tree stand ethics

[RandyBoBandy]

I hope it has a "loo" in it,cuz that's a lot of stairs to go down, just to leave for whizz

[North40Rules]

Since I am not the owner I would just pee in the sink hahaha

[thumper]

How about someone's truck? It's left unattended, unlocked, it's parked on public land, the owner's not using it, you're not going to interfere with their hunt, you're cold ... looking for a place to sit out of the wind to eat your lunch ...

Where do you draw the line in using other people's stuff?

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by North40Rules

If I were walking in the woods and saw this tree stand I would refuse to sit in it even for a morning hunt!






If I were walking in the woods and saw this tree stand I would, well that is an entirely different story, I would definitely be hunting in it lol

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Good god ... post something actually adds to the thread!~

[huntinstuff]

I saw 3 stands this year

Just walk by. Not mine.

Belongs to someone else. 166 billion trees in Alberta and someone wants to sit in another persons stand......F.Y.L.

[bessiedog]

Up by Crowsnest mountain there’s a fairly old stand that’s not very high up in one of the whitetail patches around there. When I discovered it I came up to it… trap door latch…. Huge propane tank at the base of the tree…. With it piped into a heater… popped my head into the stand.. next to the chair was a 5 gallon bucket…. Porn mags in the bucket….

…. In case the hunter was in the rutt..?

I’ve never ventured back… lol

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Up by Crowsnest mountain there’s a fairly old stand that’s not very high up in one of the whitetail patches around there. When I discovered it I came up to it… trap door latch…. Huge propane tank at the base of the tree…. With it piped into a heater… popped my head into the stand.. next to the chair was a 5 gallon bucket…. Porn mags in the bucket….

…. In case the hunter was in the rutt..?

I’ve never ventured back… lol

Sticky situation 😜

[Zip-in-Z]

Another Funny ....





Back to the Fishin forum ....

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[North40Rules]

Originally Posted by hayseed

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Good god... post something actually adds to the thread!~

I did, it's called HUMOR, you know something that makes you laugh and smile?

My actual thoughts on this subject after hunting for over 56 years.

I get permission and typically hunt on private property. If I am using a tree stand, I carry in a Lone Wolf climbing tree stand, if I leave it there I chain to a tree, so unless a fellow hunter has a hack saw or shoots off the combination lock, they can't use or steal it.

I used to build tree stands but fell out of one I built myself once, surprised I did not get badly hurt and I have never built one since. I spent one of my 9 lives that afternoon.

If I walked by somebody's tree stand already set up in a tree, I would never sit in it, even if I knew that nobody was within miles of me. For safety reasons, plus it isn't mine to sit in unless I had permission and knew how it was installed

A platform in the middle of nowhere on crown land, like the one I described in my 1st post, I would sit in it in a heartbeat and would have ZERO OBJECTIONS if someone sat in mine if I were not there. If I showed up I would expect that person to leave. To me, "Squatters Rights" do not apply in the bush on crown land.

I would never mess with anyone's Trail Camera, unlike all the %$#^%$#! that have stolen every one of mine that I put up.

From reading all the posts here, I understand that everyone has their own ideas and I say AMEN to that, everyone is entitled to have an opinion. It's like shooting at which part of an animal's body, some prefer shoulder shots, some prefer lung shots, while others prefer heart, head or neck shots. It's all a matter of opinion, proficiency, and opportunity as far as I am concerned.

So that's that

Cheers N40

[ram crazy]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

Home work is done for months if not years before a stand is ever set. I am in the bush covering anywhere from 15km to 50km a month year round. My stands are taken down every year and even move throughout the season

You won’t find too many who put in the hours and miles I do scouting. I did my years of high country hunts living in BC with plenty of back pack hunts and it doesn’t even come close to the miles I put on my boots scouting whitetail on crown here in Alberta

You are assuming a lot about how I go about my hunting

Like I said stubble on one of my set ups no big deal I move but if you mess with my gear or are lazy enough to set up on the same location yes I question your ethics. Luckily I don’t have issues with others often because of the effort I put in to avoid others. This year was the first time in 10years but I was setting up for my little brother who isn’t in the best shape

If that causes me to have poor character in your eyes I can live with it

Do you want a hero cookie! You obviously aren’t far enough in the bush so people won’t mess with your junk that you leave in the bush. Now just because you put on lots of miles doesn’t mean anyone doesn’t do the same. There is a super easy solution, if you don’t want anyone messing with your junk don’t leave your junk in the bush!! I put on lots of miles every year as well, but I carry my camera with me and take actual pictures of the game and don’t rely on trail cams or tree stands. I also don’t have a problem with helping others out in getting animals. I have helped numerous people out in filling Pronghorn, Elk, Deer, and even Sheep tags. Just remember if it’s crown land then be prepared for “anything goes”.

[Chief27]

Originally Posted by hayseed

I hunt crown a lot, I don't own it, I don't own my spot, but I scout, I do a lot of work so I can enjoy the fruits of my labor.

I own the stand, not you. Don't care if you put up one 200 yards away, but I put in the work, whatever, sit in yours, and I will sit in mine.

100% agree with this hayseed

[MK2750]

I can't believe this is an issue. There is thousands of miles of land to hunt why would one bother a fellow outdoorsman by screwing with their stuff.

I am not a fan of the massive amount of trail cameras I see laying around (I think some of you guys should get GPS tracking so you can find them again) but it is not mine to touch.

People set stands and blinds for different wind conditions or even certain dates. If you go in there on the wrong wind or wrong time you may ruin it for the season, especially if one is targeting a certain buck. To use another's blind or stand is beyond ignorant it is interfering with their hunt.

What about bear baits? Is it okay to sit on another's hard work?

The thing that people most often fail at is stand location. I see stands in the strangest of spots and I see some brilliantly placed. If you could tell the difference between a good spot and bad you would have your own spots set up. BTW the poorly placed ones are the easiest to find.

I see some very dangerous set ups as well that should be used with a harness only. Are you folks carrying around safety equipment in hopes of finding a stand? Are those straps there from this year or 10 years ago? The number one cause of hunter injury is stand falls. Do you really want to trust someone else's setup?

As mentioned all stands should be hunted under certain conditions. Without knowing which way the deer are heading, where they are coming from or what they are doing how could you possible determine if the conditions were right for a stand? Most of my stands are pinch points between bedding areas. You can sit there 50 weeks of the year and not see a decent animal except maybe squirrels and coyotes. For two weeks of the year they can be magic. And again if you knew this you wouldn't wandering around screwing with people's stuff, you would be in your own spot hunting.

Shooting an animal and leaving a note is the ultimate in adding insult to injury. A guy scouts out a spot after getting the coveted moose draw, sets a stand perfectly to fool his quarry and waits patiently for his 2 or 3 days off to fill his tag. Imagine finding a note saying "I used your stand and shot your moose, please stop by for dinner." Are people really that oblivious to the feelings of others?

[North40Rules]

Originally Posted by MK2750

I can't believe this is an issue. There is thousands of miles of land to hunt why would one bother a fellow outdoorsman by screwing with their stuff.

I am not a fan of the massive amount of trail cameras I see laying around (I think some of you guys should get GPS tracking so you can find them again) but it is not mine to touch.

People set stands and blinds for different wind conditions or even certain dates. If you go in there on the wrong wind or wrong time you may ruin it for the season, especially if one is targeting a certain buck. To use another's blind or stand is beyond ignorant it is interfering with their hunt.

What about bear baits? Is it okay to sit on another's hard work?

The thing that people most often fail at is stand location. I see stands in the strangest of spots and I see some brilliantly placed. If you could tell the difference between a good spot and bad you would have your own spots set up. BTW the poorly placed ones are the easiest to find.

I see some very dangerous set ups as well that should be used with a harness only. Are you folks carrying around safety equipment in hopes of finding a stand? Are those straps there from this year or 10 years ago? The number one cause of hunter injury is stand falls. Do you really want to trust someone else's setup?

As mentioned all stands should be hunted under certain conditions. Without knowing which way the deer are heading, where they are coming from or what they are doing how could you possible determine if the conditions were right for a stand? Most of my stands are pinch points between bedding areas. You can sit there 50 weeks of the year and not see a decent animal except maybe squirrels and coyotes. For two weeks of the year they can be magic. And again if you knew this you wouldn't wandering around screwing with people's stuff, you would be in your own spot hunting.

Shooting an animal and leaving a note is the ultimate in adding insult to injury. A guy scouts out a spot after getting the coveted moose draw, sets a stand perfectly to fool his quarry and waits patiently for his 2 or 3 days off to fill his tag. Imagine finding a note saying "I used your stand and shot your moose, please stop by for dinner." Are people really that oblivious to the feelings of others?

You are entitled to your opinion, I don't share it. When it comes to the middle of nowhere on crown land along the side of a logging road "Squatter Rights" do not apply, simple as that! Also NOBODY OWNS A MOOSE! lol

I agree with your assessment regarding baiting sites for bears. I hunted bears for many years, different ballgame.

Regarding GPS, I have a tree platform located at this location: 53.522775, -114.803009, feel free to use it. It's in a grazing lease way too many people for my liking!

Cheers N40

[7magtime]

Agree with "Fordtruckin" on this one.

"If it’s not yours leave it be, if someone else is already there move on."


I've always followed this thought process and so far it has served me well for having very few negative interactions with other hunters over the years.

IMO, if more hunters followed this there would be a lot less posted private land in this province. Quite a bit is shut down every year due to some hunters thinking their hunt is more important than others and getting into bullying/pi**ing matches with other hunters who have permission as well. When the landowner gets wind of this, often access is shut down....

[patrol1957]

if more hunters followed this there would be a lot less posted private land in this province

what is crown land and have to do with posted land far form the topic at hand

[burbotman]

Originally Posted by MK2750

I can't believe this is an issue. There is thousands of miles of land to hunt why would one bother a fellow outdoorsman by screwing with their stuff.

“A guy scouts out a spot after getting the coveted moose draw, sets a stand perfectly to fool his quarry and waits patiently for his 2 or 3 days off to fill his tag. Imagine finding a note saying "I used your stand and shot your moose, please stop by for dinner." Are people really that oblivious to the feelings of others?

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I agree with most of what you have said but the flip and I have seen it.

A guy scouts out a spot after getting his coveted moose draw spends all his free time. Finds a great spot and figures he will use the NATURAL cover to hunt it Waits for his days off and goes in to see someone else has set up a stand (but not in it)…………
Now I don’t think he should use the stand but nor should he walk away….

I am generalizing but it often seems stand owners think they found the area first and can stake their claim. The reality is that on Crown land it is doubtful they are the first to hunt that spot

Love it or hate it public land is first come first serve. Ethics are backing out when someone else is there first, even if you have a stand in there.

Crown land camping, tree stands, ice fishing huts all present similar conversations

[7magtime]

Originally Posted by patrol1957

what is crown land and have to do with posted land far form the topic at hand

on the grammar/sentence above......

Just saying that hunters ethics(or lack thereof) often cause hunter conflicts that get private land areas shut down for hunting access. If everyone treated others personal property as hands off unless invited to use it we'd all be better off.....

[patrol1957]

Just saying that hunters ethics(or lack thereof) often cause hunter conflicts that get private land areas shut down for hunting access

again what dose that have to do with crown land and tree stands let me GUESS you have your own agenda about private land and access

on the grammar/sentence above......

let me guess you didnt like what you read

[7magtime]

Originally Posted by patrol1957

again what dose that have to do with crown land and tree stands let me GUESS you have your own agenda about private land and access


let me guess you didnt like what you read

Umm okay, I didn't realize that ethics only applied to crown land hunters...lol
I was just sharing what I've seen happen when people figure if it's there and not being used it's considered "mine" to use.

There's still time for you to get one last hunt in tonight using someone else's stand on crown land, good luck!

I'm out...

[patrol1957]

Originally Posted by 7magtime

Umm okay, I didn't realize that ethics only applied to crown land hunters...lol
I was just sharing what I've seen happen when people figure if it's there and not being used it's considered "mine" to use.

There's still time for you to get one last hunt in tonight using someone else's stand on crown land, good luck!

I'm out...

take a deep breath exhale reread the thread its about crown land and tree stands you understand that don't you. Its not private property access

There's still time for you to get one last hunt in tonight using someone else's stand on crown land, good luck!

real classy on your part bravo

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by burbotman

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I agree with most of what you have said but the flip and I have seen it.

A guy scouts out a spot after getting his coveted moose draw spends all his free time. Finds a great spot and figures he will use the NATURAL cover to hunt it Waits for his days off and goes in to see someone else has set up a stand (but not in it)…………
Now I don’t think he should use the stand but nor should he walk away….

I am generalizing but it often seems stand owners think they found the area first and can stake their claim. The reality is that on Crown land it is doubtful they are the first to hunt that spot

Love it or hate it public land is first come first serve. Ethics are backing out when someone else is there first, even if you have a stand in there.

Crown land camping, tree stands, ice fishing huts all present similar conversations

I agree. I know a couple of other parties that hunt one 3 quarter parcel that holds some nice bucks. We don't touch each others stands but it's first come first into the best spots. Us old guys get up very early so it's not really a contest. I often wait in my truck and flag the guys over so we can discuss a strategy that works for everyone. We park in the same spot and enjoy the day. If I am in the bush early they never park near me and I would use the same respect if their vehicle was parked there first.

[North40Rules]

Originally Posted by MK2750

I agree. I know a couple of other parties that hunt one 3 quarter parcel that holds some nice bucks. We don't touch each others stands but it's first come first into the best spots. Us old guys get up very early so it's not really a contest. I often wait in my truck and flag the guys over so we can discuss a strategy that works for everyone. We park in the same spot and enjoy the day. If I am in the bush early they never park near me and I would use the same respect if their vehicle was parked there first.

May I have the GPS Coordinates please, I shared mine!

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by North40Rules

May I have the GPS Coordinates please, I shared mine!

I am actually looking for new spots as some of my spots I have been hunting for 30 plus years. I drove random roads on crown land this year, watched for tracks and then hit the bush. I can't believe people can not find places to hunt without bothering others. I never cut a human track, saw a stand, camera or any sign of activity more than 10 feet from the road. There is deer all over the place and not just numbers, big deer that have not been bothered other than by the odd road hunter.

[North40Rules]

This year I was too busy with work Next year I will be doing the same, starting in the summer!

Lot's of good areas to hunt on Crown property, the coordinates that I gave you are of a Grazing Lease crawling with never saw anything like it.

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by North40Rules

This year I was too busy with work Next year I will be doing the same, starting in the summer!

Lot's of good areas to hunt on Crown property, the coordinates that I gave you are of a Grazing Lease crawling with never saw anything like it.

This was a great year for driving the roads in spite of the ridiculous gas prices. The grouse were everywhere and we limited out on every trip. We also let the dogs out every time so all were shot on the flush. Most fun you can have and talk about. Next year, if we survive the winter, I have at least a half dozen quality spots to investigate further.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by ram crazy

Do you want a hero cookie! You obviously aren’t far enough in the bush so people won’t mess with your junk that you leave in the bush. Now just because you put on lots of miles doesn’t mean anyone doesn’t do the same. There is a super easy solution, if you don’t want anyone messing with your junk don’t leave your junk in the bush!! I put on lots of miles every year as well, but I carry my camera with me and take actual pictures of the game and don’t rely on trail cams or tree stands. I also don’t have a problem with helping others out in getting animals. I have helped numerous people out in filling Pronghorn, Elk, Deer, and even Sheep tags. Just remember if it’s crown land then be prepared for “anything goes”.

No I don’t want a cookie but I am sick of people who assume the effort put into a another’s hunt.

No doubt there is others out there who scout like I do and for a multitude of species and different styles of hunting too. The fact is there is all types out there

You are right issues were because I was not deep enough in the bush that was clearly in my post

I will continue to do what I do because I enjoy it and you can do you

[urban rednek]

It seems that trespassing in tree stands / blinds happens everywhere: https://imgur.com/gallery/aJhh4ab

OT- I wouldn't use a tree stand or store bought blind I found on public land. Neither would I feel the need to vacate the general area just because someone else left their stuff there.

[mtnwhitefish]

Always situational. If the stand has been there multiple seasons without sign of use, it is laying false claim to land un-owned. If there is fresh sign of other hunters, give em space.

[Zuludog]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Exactly.!!

I would never even think of using someone else's stand.
That's my ethics anyways, I don't care if it's crown or not, it's not yours, keep walking.

All my stands are ladder, I'm not a fan of permanent ones as I move mine a lot depending on wind, weather or game movement.

I don't think I'd be too happy hiking in to my stand which I packed in and set up to find someone sitting in it.

And don't even go with the it's public and empty again, it's mine.
Not yours.
Go set your own up.

Exactly!