257 Weatherby thoughts?

[Stinky Coyote]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

From what I read it was a 140 grain 6.5 and an 80 grain 257?
Apples and oranges, but neither cartridge would be my choice for a 700 yard shot, and have used both past that on steel and paper targets.
Cat

I found it a solid and credible read. 500 animals from small deer size to small cow elk size shot in a very short amount of time, several different bullets studied etc. and bulk of kills in the middle of the 0-700 yard ranges. The .257 bee with good bullet would have the advantage to 350 over a 6.5 Creed, they'd overlap from 350-450 and then the Creed takes over from 450 to 700 imo. You'd wear the bee barrel out in a couple weeks of that lol, the Creedmoor you'd go a year or two by comparison and you'll eat a lot less recoil as well. I'd take the CM all day long for that job. Anyway, good read, good .257 bee info there with some great bullets including the 80gr ttsx and it did not rank very well with that bullet. I think he said that was his biggest surprise...didn't expect that at all but by the end of it the comment was along of the lines of 'if you really want something to die somewhere else then that's your bullet'. Pretty funny.

I think Marky Mark will agree with that last part lol.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Stinky Coyote

270p must be midway through drafting up a doozie right about now lol.

Again, go read it yourselves, I'm not defending it, just offering an interesting read about a bunch of people who've killed a bunch of stuff with a .223 and 77gr tmk's because it's legal and apparently surprisingly effective. You may stop bugging me about my 6.5 Grandma after that.

I did read it, a whole ago in fact .
.223 TmK's for hunting game larger than a coyote is a deal breaker for me right off the bat .
Cat

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by Stinky Coyote

I found it a solid and credible read.

Being so hung up on your trying to disprove people and not seeing past an 80 grain bullet against a 140 grain bullet I can see why you would like it
Done here....
Cat

[Dubious]

Mark have you Tryed the 100gr Barnes in a 25 or where you using the 80’s? I use a lot of the 70gr blitskings but that is strictly for erasing varmints like prairie dogs and coyotes. It’s also why I’m on barrel 2 in 4 years.

[Stinky Coyote]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

Being so hung up on your trying to disprove people and not seeing past an 80 grain bullet against a 140 grain bullet I can see why you would like it
Done here....
Cat

you didn't read the first post of that thread? oh, I think I see what you mean here, I posted a link to a .257 Weatherby thread that run 80gr ttsx on a cull with some others, I haven't posted a link to the .223 thread so we have crossed our wires, as for me thinking you were referring to the .257 cull thread and my comments on choosing the 6.5 cm instead...here's why

he took his 257 Weatherby, 4 different loads, 115gr ballistic tips, 110gr accubonds, a Sierra I think and then the 80gr ttsx

he liked the 115gr ballistic tip best, accubond and the other one close behind, the ttsx he said wasn't even in the ballpark

as for my comments about a 6.5 Creedmoor would have been ideal for that 0-700 volume culling of hundreds of animals put to cow elk size in short time periods I'm not wrong as a comparable choice, he said bulk of culls in the middle of 700 yards, so lets say 400 yards...both will kill anything to 400 but lets start there and then look at 700 yards...

all these running from 95% of rated factory muzzle velocity...at I guessed somewhat lower altitudes and higher humidity levels for the location...

80gr ttsx at 400 yards going 2525 fps with 1132 ft/lbs and 700 yards 1796 fps with 573 ft/lbs (with a .173 SD - light for game intended)

115gr bt which he said killed best was still doing 2442 fps and 1523 ft/lbs at 400 and 1934 fps and 955 ft/lbs at 700 (with a .249 SD - solid for game intended)

now 6.5 CM with 143's at 2058 fps and 1345 ft/lbs at 400 and 1720 fps and 939 ft/lbs at 700 yards (with a .293 SD - beyond solid for game intended)

not going to look at wind fighting here but the 115gr .257 with a .453 bc and much faster launch will do alright to 400 but the .625 bc of the 6.5 will rule the roost in terms of hit probability across the board so long as the rangefinders are working fine wind would hardly be a thought

so why burn up barrels and pound your shoulder by comparison with the .257 when you could spend months shooting that scenario comfortably with a Creedmoor and likely killing just as well if not better?

I like the bee btw, I just wouldn't choose the little fast copper, I'm more of a heavy for cal rapid expansion bullet chooser so the 115gr bt would be my jam as well...even without hearing that cull experience, it just proved out what I would have deduced as well although I too was surprised the ttsx didn't compare more closely at least up close. He said the only thing that didn't run with it were cns/spine shots, everything else was a rodeo.

So who's not reading here? I know it's cocktail season but come on, I'm not trying to irritate you, or anyone, just info providing and having a little fun too.

[Stinky Coyote]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

A 6.5 creed shooting 140-147’s is not in the same category as a 257 wby

expand please...here's what I see, so what do you see?

all these running from 95% of rated factory muzzle velocity...at I guessed somewhat lower altitudes and higher humidity levels for the location...

80gr ttsx at 400 yards going 2525 fps with 1132 ft/lbs and 700 yards 1796 fps with 573 ft/lbs (with a .173 SD - light for game intended)

115gr bt which he said killed best was still doing 2442 fps and 1523 ft/lbs at 400 and 1934 fps and 955 ft/lbs at 700 (with a .249 SD - solid for game intended)

now 6.5 CM with 143's at 2058 fps and 1345 ft/lbs at 400 and 1720 fps and 939 ft/lbs at 700 yards (with a .293 SD - beyond solid for game intended)

not going to look at wind fighting here but the 115gr .257 with a .453 bc and much faster launch will do alright to 400 but the .625 bc of the 6.5 will rule the roost in terms of hit probability across the board so long as the rangefinders are working fine wind would hardly be a thought

so why burn up barrels and pound your shoulder by comparison with the .257 when you could spend months shooting that scenario comfortably with a Creedmoor and likely killing just as well if not better?

tell me where the 6.5 CM doesn't compete favourably with the .257 bee in high volume 0-700 yard culling of tiny deer up to cow elk size critters? just because it doesn't burn x amount of powder and touch your shoulder with 24 ft/lbs recoil energy? the Creedmoor compares great and at half the recoil and who knows how many times the barrel life

[JD848]

Back on track with the 257 bee which I avoided and was thinking of getting one has now changed. No go.

Never was a big fan of lighter bullets and thought this maybe the a decent long range rifle for wolves.

Have shot a dozen or more at long range with my 7mm and only 2 were damaged a bit, right bullet that doesn't explode and bucks the wind on an open lake . Always if shooting on a frozen lake to know your background well.

Got a 22 250 for 400 yrds and under and that should do the trick.

As a deer rifle the 257 bee might be good choice ,but i will stick to my 7mm for the time being.

JD

[catnthehat]

Truth be told, unless you are looking for a new rifle, I doubt very much if you will notice any difference between your 7Mag and a 257 Weatherby when it comes to killing deer.
Cat

[REMINGTON JIM]

Originally Posted by jetboat175

I am contemplating on buying a 257 weatherby. I have a 308 win, 300 win and a 444 marlin already so looking for a long range deer rifle and something to shoot the odd coyote. I would like some input from 257 owners what they think of this caliber?

I had both a 257 Wbee and a 240 Wbee - I still have a " 240 Wbee " - Way less recoil and shoots just as Flat ! Perfect DEER - YOTE cartridge and Less cost to load ammo for it ! So BUY a 240 WBEE not a 257 ! jmo RJ

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by Stinky Coyote

expand please...here's what I see, so what do you see?

all these running from 95% of rated factory muzzle velocity...at I guessed somewhat lower altitudes and higher humidity levels for the location...

80gr ttsx at 400 yards going 2525 fps with 1132 ft/lbs and 700 yards 1796 fps with 573 ft/lbs (with a .173 SD - light for game intended)

115gr bt which he said killed best was still doing 2442 fps and 1523 ft/lbs at 400 and 1934 fps and 955 ft/lbs at 700 (with a .249 SD - solid for game intended)

now 6.5 CM with 143's at 2058 fps and 1345 ft/lbs at 400 and 1720 fps and 939 ft/lbs at 700 yards (with a .293 SD - beyond solid for game intended)

not going to look at wind fighting here but the 115gr .257 with a .453 bc and much faster launch will do alright to 400 but the .625 bc of the 6.5 will rule the roost in terms of hit probability across the board so long as the rangefinders are working fine wind would hardly be a thought

so why burn up barrels and pound your shoulder by comparison with the .257 when you could spend months shooting that scenario comfortably with a Creedmoor and likely killing just as well if not better?

tell me where the 6.5 CM doesn't compete favourably with the .257 bee in high volume 0-700 yard culling of tiny deer up to cow elk size critters? just because it doesn't burn x amount of powder and touch your shoulder with 24 ft/lbs recoil energy? the Creedmoor compares great and at half the recoil and who knows how many times the barrel life

Even though your gone, we all know your still reading this.

This entire test is nothing more than a poor example of a bullet comparison.
Its comparing apples to oranges
If it was a fair comparison, they would have been using the 131 blackjacks or the new bergers in the 257 or they could have used the lightest available bullets in the 6.5.

If you wanted to compare cases
Comparing the 257 wby to the 25 creed, the wby wins everyday
Comparing a necked up 6.5x257 wby to a 6.5 creed the wby wins again

I like the 6.5's a lot more than the 257's
If i wanted another hot rod it would be a 6.5x300 wby or another 26 nosler

[whitetail Junkie]

Dads new Rocket....German weatherby Mark V with WBY custom shop stock, 27" Ron Smith barrel work done by jennings in BC.

[roper1]

Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

Dads new Rocket....German weatherby Mark V with WBY custom shop stock, 27" Ron Smith barrel work done by jennings in BC.

Beauty rifle in a great little chambering!

[270person]

Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

Dads new Rocket....German weatherby Mark V with WBY custom shop stock, 27" Ron Smith barrel work done by jennings in BC.

Very nice. Do they torch those stocks to create that look?

[whitetail Junkie]

Originally Posted by 270person

Very nice. Do they torch those stocks to create that look?

Nah thats actually how dark the mineral lines are in the wood grain on that stock...we still cant figure out what kind of walnut it is my guess is turkish.

[aardvaark]

I’ve been watching this thread for a few months now, some great comments so far. I bought a used MK5 ultra lightweight in 257 WBY a couple years ago. Couldn’t get it to shoot better than 1.25” no matter what I did. Tried free floating the barrel, moving the pinch point (or whatever it’s called, the spot in the forearm that contacts the barrel). Nothing really changed much. Even went so far as to having the barrel shortened .350” to bring the freebore to a more reasonable distance as there was some erosion happening there. And still nothing. Didn’t do anything with it last year, kind of gave up on it.

But I’ve heard it said that sometimes you get one that does that. And I’ve got one. One thing I haven’t tried is to put one of those ugly rubber vibration damper things on the barrel. See if that makes any kind of a difference. The barrel is really thin and light so that def doesn’t help any.

[Jeff/1911]

I have owned a few, without fail they were very accurate. They hit really hard, w/ trajectory like a lazer. The first time I shot a coyote with one, it seemed to be smacked down at exactly the same time the rifle fired!

[fps plus]

Originally Posted by whitetail Junkie

Nah thats actually how dark the mineral lines are in the wood grain on that stock...we still cant figure out what kind of walnut it is my guess is turkish.

Claro walnut

[brewster29]

Originally Posted by fps plus

Claro walnut

All Weatherby stocks are cut and rough machined from Claro walnut at an amazing sawmill called Calico Hardwoods (they have a website) in the little town of Windsor California. Touring the place was for me the highlight of one California trip. I bought two very nice blanks for great prices. If you like nice wood it’s unbelievable to see how much they cut.