Using someone's ice shack they left on the lake??

[brobinson]

I know that me and my buddy were planning on building a shack. A truck camper stripped with just the heater left. We were going to put a lock on it, but with a sign with both our phone numbers so if someone wanted to use it they could call and we would give them the combination. I would have no problem with somebody using it with respect. I may only be 18 but I believe that there are still outdoorsman in southern alberta that can be trusted. It's the same with a lot of trapping cabins that you guys have talked about already. They have no problem with them being used as long as its with respect. I mean, what if a guy brought his kids out and it got windy? Or super cold? I would rather him call to use our shack then take his kids home without fishing, or without his kids having a good experience.

[HunterDave]

If it isn't yours then why would you think that it was okay to use it? If it's life or death buy all means go in and get warm, but to go out and use it for the day, I don't get where people would think that's okay?

[EDMfishing]

If I had a Permanent shack I wouldn't mind if others were to use it with "The ut-most respect' as said by the OP.... But I'm also not going to leave ALL my gear in it.. more like NO gear... and therefore no lock on the door... A lock on the door is ONLY going to stop the people who would actually use it with RESPECT... If some 'malicious fisherperson' wants to do bad things to your shack, the lock / door is going to be the first victim...

[Rhino81]

Originally Posted by EDMfishing

If I had a Permanent shack I wouldn't mind if others were to use it with "The ut-most respect' as said by the OP.... But I'm also not going to leave ALL my gear in it.. more like NO gear... and therefore no lock on the door... A lock on the door is ONLY going to stop the people who would actually use it with RESPECT... If some 'malicious fisherperson' wants to do bad things to your shack, the lock / door is going to be the first victim...

Agree. By taking all you personals out, its just a shack. I have used others and others have used mine. Lock it if you don't want other and leave it open or with a phone # if you dont mind. It is as easy as that. It's not at all like they are on your couch drinking your beer watching the game .

[scel]

Originally Posted by fishtank

i would leave my phone # on the shack with the combination lock, they can call me and ask permission . just a respect thing
i rent a cabin..it like a time share the general rule is that when you arrived the liqueur cabinet/fridge is stocked by the previous guest and when you leave, the fridge/liqueur stocked by you for the next guest.

I do not ice fish, but this seems like genius. I am going to chime in as a neutral party.

Respect really boils down to good business. Good business occurs when everyone feels like they are winning without any net expenditure.

The whole argument is resolved by one aspect---by erecting a shack, does an individual *own* the ice beneath it?

If the owner of the shack does not own the ice, then the use of the ice and the shack really should be a cooperation.

The owner of the shack has to have some degree of capital investment, has to put it on the lake, and has to remove it.

If someone wants to use the shack, they should pay recompense for the capital investment and basic infrastructure, which means restocking the cabinet/supplies, maintenance/cleaning, and defer usage to the shack owner.

I believe that the owner should have the piece of mind to know that they have a shack available for whenever they want to fish, but have faith that users are paying for the service to use the hut.

Seriously though. Leave a phone number to call to use the hut is a great way to give accountability.

I really should take up ice fishing. It seems like a great way to drink scotch.

[Jimboy]

Originally Posted by diamond k

so you can not make a hunting cabin on crown land but you put a shack on a lake and call it private property. Can i drill a hole right beside your cabin or do i get a beating for that? leave my truck idiling beside your door, does that get a beating.

I say you put a shack on the ice on a public lake it should be available for public use. That being said it should be treated with respect.

amen

[last minute]

Originally Posted by Whiteysonly

Ok so a guy at work says, " You don't need to buy an ice shack, just use one left on the lake". He says just use with respect. So my question how would you guys feel if someone used your shanty on the lake? For the record I don't plan on doing this.

I never thought about it but since you brought it up i dont see a problem with it no one around and its "unlocked" sure why not no harm done .

[LACOMBE JACKSON]

I hate to comment as I see this board has the lynch mob mentallity still( and getting worse) BUT...The people I know with unlocked shacks on Gull Lake have no problem with respectfully using them. Some will even have something written(sprayed) on the door saying that. The facts are that if they are left unattended they are considered abandoned. To confirm call the nearest Fish & Wildlife office. Just my 2 bits

[Sledhead71]

Tree stand, ground blind, ice shack, outfitters tent, anything really that I did not have permission prior would I even consider helping myself too. What gives anyone the right to infringe on others property with-out permission ?

This mentality is beyond my comprehension, sure glad I was raised with morals and to respect others property.

[Rumtan]

This is the reason my shanty is portable.......if anyone of my friends wanted to borrow it then they will call me and I have no problem lending it. If someone just wanted to use it that was unfamilliar to me then I would rent it. It costs money to make a good shanty and why should I just let it go for free?

[Freedom55]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Tree stand, ground blind, ice shack, outfitters tent, anything really that I did not have permission prior would I even consider helping myself too. What gives anyone the right to infringe on others property with-out permission ?

This mentality is beyond my comprehension, sure glad I was raised with morals and to respect others property.

When I was just out of high school, I had a summer job with the B.C. Forest Service, fighting forest fires. A small crew of four flew into a fire zone on Penask Mtn, a small suppression crew led by me. We stayed a number of days but did very little work as the fire was a lightning-struck tree on a small island in the middle of a swampy area.

More to the point, there was a small plywood shack in the vicinity, close enough that we could see the smoke of the burning pine, from "home". Home was that shack, built by a group of professionals from the area, most notably Peachland. Doctors, lawyers and others who spent their winters on snow machines had built this little hut far into the backcountry.

Posted on the wall was a list of RULES to obey if you planned to use the shack for your own reasons. We reckoned that we had reason enough so we enjoyed the little cookstove and the roof over our heads. We replaced the firewood we used.

40 years have passed, and now I read and hear that owners of said shanties (ice shanty, sledders cabin, can you tell the difference?) want no part of trespassing on their private property, in spite of it being in the middle of public property. One guy from Dundurn SK told me that he drives over and crushes tip-ups with his 4X4 if he can see it from the door of his shack!!
Some folks have funny habits. Some people will claim that if you drill a hole close by their structure, that alone will cause the flood water to freeze their hovel to the ice, rendering it impossible to move. This is outside the shack, not in it, where I imagine that the owner would lose his mind if he caught you there.

So, the long and the short of it, if I go ice fishing recreationally I avoid iceshanty hamlets like the plague had settled into their community. I opted for a Fabrill tent. I see fishing as a chance to get away from it all. If you want to bring your anxieties to the lake, you can. But maybe you should consider another a more soothing hobby.

[fisherman420]

I fished out of a shack on buffalo a few years back that was open. When the guys came they were shocked at first but after bsing for a while they were glad I had opened the hole, had a warm shack and stocked there wood pile. They ended up joining me and we had a great day of fishing

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by Freedom55

When I was just out of high school, I had a summer job with the B.C. Forest Service, fighting forest fires. A small crew of four flew into a fire zone on Penask Mtn, a small suppression crew led by me. We stayed a number of days but did very little work as the fire was a lightning-struck tree on a small island in the middle of a swampy area.

More to the point, there was a small plywood shack in the vicinity, close enough that we could see the smoke of the burning pine, from "home". Home was that shack, built by a group of professionals from the area, most notably Peachland. Doctors, lawyers and others who spent their winters on snow machines had built this little hut far into the backcountry.

Posted on the wall was a list of RULES to obey if you planned to use the shack for your own reasons. We reckoned that we had reason enough so we enjoyed the little cookstove and the roof over our heads. We replaced the firewood we used.

40 years have passed, and now I read and hear that owners of said shanties (ice shanty, sledders cabin, can you tell the difference?) want no part of trespassing on their private property, in spite of it being in the middle of public property. One guy from Dundurn SK told me that he drives over and crushes tip-ups with his 4X4 if he can see it from the door of his shack!!
Some folks have funny habits. Some people will claim that if you drill a hole close by their structure, that alone will cause the flood water to freeze their hovel to the ice, rendering it impossible to move. This is outside the shack, not in it, where I imagine that the owner would lose his mind if he caught you there.

So, the long and the short of it, if I go ice fishing recreationally I avoid iceshanty hamlets like the plague had settled into their community. I opted for a Fabrill tent. I see fishing as a chance to get away from it all. If you want to bring your anxieties to the lake, you can. But maybe you should consider another a more soothing hobby.

My point was not a permanent structure on public property, but a temporary recreational device that is obviously someones personal property.

How you assume I have anxiety from my comments about respect is as humorous as considering another more soothing hobby.

I don't borrow, use, take or assume anything unless I have permission from the owner, case closed.

Simple really, there are people who bike to a public park, leave their bike unattended, doesn't mean you or I should take it for a rip cause it's unattended ? Others mention a simple boat at a public dock, heck it's public and no one seems to be using it, why not ?

[Freedom55]

Sledhead, I mistakenly quoted you. Please forgive me. You clearly have no anxieties and I apologize for suggesting that you might. You are a right-thinking man and deserve to be treated accordingly. My apology extends to your family, whom I denegrated by suggesting that you had something less than a perfectly moral and respectful upbringing.

I also made the terrible mistake of missing your signature. I defer to a higher wisdom.

[Sledhead71]

Originally Posted by Freedom55

Sledhead,

I also made the terrible mistake of missing your signature. I defer to a higher wisdom.

Sweet new signature line

[Don K]

When I was a kid no one locked their huts. You'd use it, not damage it and leave it clean. We'd bring our own wood and if it had a stove we'd leave extra wood for the next guy... If an owner showed up we'd go to the next one or drill some holes.

[Ucthesizeoftheoneilost]

Originally Posted by scel

I do not ice fish, but this seems like genius. I am going to chime in as a neutral party.

Respect really boils down to good business. Good business occurs when everyone feels like they are winning without any net expenditure.

The whole argument is resolved by one aspect---by erecting a shack, does an individual *own* the ice beneath it?

If the owner of the shack does not own the ice, then the use of the ice and the shack really should be a cooperation.

The owner of the shack has to have some degree of capital investment, has to put it on the lake, and has to remove it.

If someone wants to use the shack, they should pay recompense for the capital investment and basic infrastructure, which means restocking the cabinet/supplies, maintenance/cleaning, and defer usage to the shack owner.

I believe that the owner should have the piece of mind to know that they have a shack available for whenever they want to fish, but have faith that users are paying for the service to use the hut.

Seriously though. Leave a phone number to call to use the hut is a great way to give accountability.

I really should take up ice fishing. It seems like a great way to drink scotch.

the scotch thing is interesting......the rest of your rant well...ady ady ady ady

[safcforever]

Originally Posted by mtngiant

BINGO!!!!
my point exactly
rudeness rudeness rudeness IS rampant
Soooo... it's me mine me in modern times.....with a few trusted friends mixed in

There will be people from both ends.
I never have and never would approach a shck, but if someone used mine I'd expect at least some good pics left and a lure to try

[TROLLER]

Originally Posted by Donkey Oatey

What ever happened to if it ain't yours or you don't know the owner leave it the ****** alone?

WHAT HE SAID

[CamoDerrick]

The "logic" (a term I use loosely) on this thread is ridiculous.

Just because a shack is on public land then it should be available to use for all?
So any personal property that is located temporarily upon public land should be able to be used freely by anyone? What if YOUR truck is parked at a grocery store parking lot (public land)? Would you all be perfectly fine with anyone trying the doors, and going inside to warm up? Perhaps you would be so kind to leave your keys in it too then so people can use it and go for a little drive. All as long as they are respectful right?
Again, if it is not your property, you hold zero right to utilizing in whatever way you feel like. Who cares if it is on public property.

Most posting on here that says it is okay to use private property without permission are the ones without the personal property in the first place.

[BeeGuy]

Logic?

Stealing a truck is not comparable to sitting in a plywood shack out on the ice.

Neither is stealing someones boat by the way.

[WayneChristie]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Tree stand, ground blind, ice shack, outfitters tent, anything really that I did not have permission prior would I even consider helping myself too. What gives anyone the right to infringe on others property with-out permission ?

This mentality is beyond my comprehension, sure glad I was raised with morals and to respect others property.

what he said ^^^^

[Richmuiz]

What if someone put a floating dock out on the lake in the summer would it be ok if I was to go out and fish off it ??

[Gust]

Originally Posted by Richmuiz

What if someone put a floating dock out on the lake in the summer would it be ok if I was to go out and fish off it ??

Navigable waterways have another set of laws under transport canada,,, the short answer is yes. Would I want to be caught building or anchoring a dock? No!

[FishingFrenzy]

Originally Posted by BeeGuy

Logic?

Stealing a truck is not comparable to sitting in a plywood shack out on the ice.

Neither is stealing someones boat by the way.

How is it not comparable?

If we think simply about $$ value, a lot of ice shantys could cost $200-1000 bucks for materials and labour

My 14ft aluminum and 9.9 johnson cost me around 1k.

I can tell you right now, if I tied my boat up at the dock and some retard used it without my permission, I would be IRATE. Ready to strangle the poor ba*****d that took it.

Same goes for an iceshack, if spent the money and took the time to build it, its MINE. If you want to use it you'd better have my permission.

To make a more appropriate analogy, if you hiked into a back country campsite, and there was a tent setup in one of the sites and there was nobody inside, would you just feel free to go in there and have a nap?

Really, its exactly the same as an iceshack. Personal property on public land, unattended for X amount of time..........

[KWO]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Tree stand, ground blind, ice shack, outfitters tent, anything really that I did not have permission prior would I even consider helping myself too. What gives anyone the right to infringe on others property with-out permission ?

This mentality is beyond my comprehension, sure glad I was raised with morals and to respect others property.

Amen to this. I can't even get my head around why anyone would think it is OK to use something that they don't own without permission. Emergencies excepted, at best it is bad form. If you want a nice comfy fishing shack, then get off your butt and build your own.

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by Sledhead71

Tree stand, ground blind, ice shack, outfitters tent, anything really that I did not have permission prior would I even consider helping myself too. What gives anyone the right to infringe on others property with-out permission ?

This mentality is beyond my comprehension, sure glad I was raised with morals and to respect others property.

Agree.

[New Hunter Okotoks]

I have seen many lakes with ice shacks on them and not once did I ever think that I should just go and make myself cozy. Somebody went through the trouble and expense to build it and to get it on and off the ice. Why should I get to enjoy the fruits of someone else's labours?

These shacks belong to someone and were built for their personal use, not as a community project. The typical shack won't last very long if various people are using them throughout the winter whenever the owner isn't around. The heavy boot traffic and getting water/slush on the floor going through freeze thaw cycles will wear out a typical shack quite fast. The door being opened and shut 20 times more will wear out much faster than it normally would with a single owner.

If it is a survival situation such as truck, quad or snowmobile broken down at night or bad weather and nobody around; then by all means go into any shack whether it is locked or not. But a guy should not just drive around Travers, Badger Lake, or any lake looking for an unoccupied shack to squat in. That's disrespectful in my books.

[fishman]

Just hasnt been the same since we arnt allowed to beat our kids anymore

[omega50]

I would be concerned with liability.
I build a shack and some stranger uses it and gets injured.

Is this my domain of responsibility?