No offence...but..

[Bogman10]

Originally Posted by Walleyes

Oh all right allready cry us all a river would yah please...

Why Walleye's ? need another place to wash off your Quad?

[Versatile]

Originally Posted by Bogman10

So you get to hunt, camp, and enjoy in the Woods, we get to ask to hunt on some guys farm, and stay in a hotel or drive out then back??????? Seems fair to me.........NOT!
More money gets more rights?

You missed the point. The point is if you dont want to hear and look at quads all day; get off your @$$ and do some scouting on private land before the season starts so you have some places to hunt without any quads come season. There is tons of private land that is full of bush and woods, the same that is public. You dont want to see quads then go out and do some homework instead of sitting at home whining and crying on the internet why quads are ruining your hunting.

[bruceba]

I don't have a problem with the quads being out in area's approved for their use. As a matter of fact all the quader's and dirt biker's we've passed while horse back riding in the mountians have been extremely polite. They pull over and shut down while we pass by or slow down and hold back while we get off trail so they can over take us. My beef is the ones that sneak around in non motorized area's or ride into area's with their rifles long before they are allowed.

[Rackmastr]

Originally Posted by RyanGSP

You missed the point. The point is if you dont want to hear and look at quads all day; get off your @$$ and do some scouting on private land before the season starts so you have some places to hunt without any quads come season. There is tons of private land that is full of bush and woods, the same that is public. You dont want to see quads then go out and do some homework instead of sitting at home whining and crying on the internet why quads are ruining your hunting.

This is a post of someone who has obviously never hunted sheep before....

I'm back and forth on the quad issue....I hike my ass off into areas that quads dont/cant get to, and I've used quads in the past for hunting in northern bush country. I hunt a ton of private land and a ton of public....it all depends on what I'm hunting and the experience I'm after. Just cause people hunt public land does NOT mean they arent getting off their ass and scouting and hunting hard.

[russ]

So here's the gist of the conversation...

Guy parks truck in cutline (ie marks it as "his" territory)

Guy b, comes along he want's to go 10 miles up cutline to hunt, been planning it all week. But since Guy a has pee'd out his territory he supposed to go home and twiddle his thumbs.

Oh man this just screams ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME and SCREW what everyone else wants to do.

And people wanna talk about common courtesy?

[Dark]

Russ it's simple get up earlier or find another way in. Guy "A" beat you to it, have the courtesy to admit defeat and try again tomorrow.
I to am sick of guys driving by you as your walking down a cutline first thing in the morning or at last light, sometimes it's a honest mistake other times they drive right by my quad or truck see me from 3 or 400 yds and still insist on driving by me and have the balls to wave as they go by. These are the guys I have trouble with.
Hey Russ that wasn't you last weekend was it? lol

[russ]

Well there you have it guys. Some guy pulls into a cutline "expecting" it to all his own for the day walks 2 or 300 metres up it and basically expects everyone else give up the other 2, 4, 10 or 20 miles of the cutline.

If you don't want people "Stealing" your part of the bush the solution is to go and BUY some put a fence around it.

You're on public land with public access.

That means you HAVE TO SHARE, whether you like it or not the other guy has just as much right to be there.

[Dark]

No russ my friend it's about courtesy and ethics, I want you to enjoy your day in the field so I have the courtesy to leave the cutline if I see that its being hunted, and I would expect the same from a fellow sportsman.

[geezer55]

So here's the gist of the conversation...

Guy parks truck in cutline (ie marks it as "his" territory)

Guy b, comes along he want's to go 10 miles up cutline to hunt, been planning it all week. But since Guy a has pee'd out his territory he supposed to go home and twiddle his thumbs.

Oh man this just screams ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME and SCREW what everyone else wants to do.

And people wanna talk about common courtesy?

Totally agree with you.
This what I've read on a lot of the threads on this forum. "If I don't agree with your mode of recreation: hunting, fishing, skiing, quadding, use of horses, swimming then you are WRONG." I had one set of fishermen tell me that my boys shuldn't be swimming in one of their favorite fishing holes and they wanted to fish it. They told me that my sons should learn respect for fishermen, the real kick in the butt was after they told me this my son pulled out his rod and caught a nice trout out of the hole he was just swimming in.

Originally Posted by russ

So here's the gist of the conversation...

Guy parks truck in cutline (ie marks it as "his" territory)

Guy b, comes along he want's to go 10 miles up cutline to hunt, been planning it all week. But since Guy a has pee'd out his territory he supposed to go home and twiddle his thumbs.

Oh man this just screams ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME and SCREW what everyone else wants to do.

And people wanna talk about common courtesy?

Well russ if you see my truck on a cutline and want to go right by me and hunt it by all means do so. Like I said you're completely entitled to.

I'll probably just go somewhere else, no use taken a guy's special spot he's been planning to hunt all week.

If you got there first there'd be nothing to argue about since I'd just turn around and find another place to hunt. This is alberta and there are lots of them. I don't mind putting the effort in.

by the way I don't care if you go 100miles up the cutline fact is I don't know exactly where you are so that means I can't shoot so who's mr. me me me

[Rackmastr]

Originally Posted by russ

Well there you have it guys. Some guy pulls into a cutline "expecting" it to all his own for the day walks 2 or 300 metres up it and basically expects everyone else give up the other 2, 4, 10 or 20 miles of the cutline.

If you don't want people "Stealing" your part of the bush the solution is to go and BUY some put a fence around it.

You're on public land with public access.

That means you HAVE TO SHARE, whether you like it or not the other guy has just as much right to be there.

Russ....I see your point and have riden down cutlines to get to spots that I wanted to go, even if it meant that I had to drive past someone else's spot....no one can 'claim' a spot in the bush....

However....common courtesy is to stay away from someone's spot. Are you saying you wouldnt get upset if someone set up while you were calling elk and sat between you and the herd? Or put a treestand next to yours while you were sitting in yours and decided he was going to hunt the same cutblock? What about a treestand up next to your bait site? Its all about sharing, but there is still such thing as giving people the courtesy of a private hunt....

Now....big cutlines are tough...they are used for getting from one spot to the next so obviously there is going to be some people using the cutlines and by parking in front of it you dont 'claim' it as yours....so I DO see the point you're making.....

[russ]

Originally Posted by Dark

No russ my friend it's about courtesy and ethics, I want you to enjoy your day in the field so I have the courtesy to leave the cutline if I see that its being hunted, and I would expect the same from a fellow sportsman.

ah so your courtesy & ethics means that you stake & claim pieces of public land and treat it as if you own it even though you have no LEGAL right to it and my courtesy & ethics means that I share the land with my fellow hunter's as is their right as upheld by the law of the land.

Got it!

[Vindalbakken]

Russ, are you trying to use use logic against emotion? It doesn't work.

All i can do is some pretty diverse opinions on whats right and wrong.GOOD LUCK

[Dark]

So like rack said, where do we draw the line, I put up my treestand beside yours because it is my land to or I see you working a herd of elk and I sneak between you and the elk because it's my right to hunt this area.
By the way russ our family owns 332 acres of land on the banks of the little smokey river
we don't fence it and don't post it.
My belief is most hunters are good people and respect others, but there is the odd one that does not give 2 %$^& about other people.

[russ]

Originally Posted by Vindalbakken

Russ, are you trying to use use logic against emotion? It doesn't work.

oops, my bad. Sorry teach

Just something to add to the "I own the Cutline Crowd." I'm going to apply YOUR logic here (if logic is really the right word). I'm cruising down the road to my favourite hunting spot. Lo and behold someone has "taken" my spot. So I drive a couple miles down the road and pick a new spot. Park in the cutline and thereby I now OWN that cutline, since that's how the rules are applied around here. Now the other guy that "took" my 1st choice, he's not a sitter, he's a walker. He walks along making a big circle sticking close to the cutlines and working the bush. Part of his plan as it turns out, is to walk back down MY cutline and by doing ruin my hunt. (well at least to the owners the cutline crowd)

NOW who's the jerk, according to the "own the cutline crowd"? (the question is rhetorical btw since I was on the cutline 1st and you have interfered with MY hunt on the cutline I was ON FIRST).

[BigRackLover]

If you are both on public land and see each other, communicate with each other and work something out! Simple as that. You're both hunters and love hunting, work it out for goodness sakes.

For example: You take this 5 miles, I'll take these 5 miles. Or I have my blind in this area so could you either avoid it and try to push animals that way.

[Dark]

You missed the point, it's about seeing your vehicle parked or walking down a line and others driving by you, not an honest mistake, if I bumped into you the way you descibed it there would be no hard feelings *%$# happens.
I will be hunting 340 this weekend never been there so I will be putting miles on my quad, boots and truck, if I see you out there on a cutline or clear cut I will turn around and let you enjoy your hunt.

Hope you enjoy your hunting

[Versatile]

Originally Posted by Rackmastr

This is a post of someone who has obviously never hunted sheep before....

This is not about hunting Sheep Rack this is about Quads in the Bush.

[Rackmastr]

Originally Posted by RyanGSP

This is not about hunting Sheep Rack this is about Quads in the Bush.

Ya...and its about public land access and quads.....you made a point of stating that public land hunters should get off their ass and hunt private land. Not ALL hunting can be done on private land.....and it would be ignorant to assume that public land hunters spend any less time or effort hunting or scouting. And yes...sheep hunting is affected by the quads in the bush issue.....

[Versatile]

No if you dont like the quads then go scout out private land where there is no quads. Noone is saying you have to hunt private land but if you want to get away from the quads and the hundreds of other hunters that occupy public land well then go private. After all its called public land free for anyone to use. Do I agree with guys ripping past ya when you are trying to hunt? Well no buts its about the same as someone pulling right up beside you when your fishing. Common courtesy would say keep your distance but there is no rule stating they cant pull a seat right up beside ya or drive right out infront of ya.

[Rackmastr]

Originally Posted by RyanGSP

No if you dont like the quads then go scout out private land where there is no quads. Noone is saying you have to hunt private land but if you want to get away from the quads and the hundreds of other hunters that occupy public land well then go private. After all its called public land free for anyone to use. Do I agree with guys ripping past ya when you are trying to hunt? Well no buts its about the same as someone pulling right up beside you when your fishing. Common courtesy would say keep your distance but there is no rule stating they cant pull a seat right up beside ya or drive right out infront of ya.

Agreed....and the same can be said about a lot of private land. Several times you can hunt a strip of bush on private land only to have a guy roll past you in a truck or quad. Hell sometimes private land is just as bad. Sitting in a blind and having a guy drive his truck right up to it in the morning, or walking some cover for birds and having a guy drive along the fence row you are walking. Its all common courtesy to leave a guy alone and give someone their room....private or public it happens at both unfortunatly....

[Bullhunter]

This problem will only get worse as our population increases. I have walked miles into areas only to have dirt bikes, quads, argos and horses pass me as I am getting into an area that I was going to hunt. I have also quadded alot trying to get familiar with a new area or to get into an area and then walk or sit.

To me the solution is simple. Desiginated trails for ATVs and UTVs (maybe even horses). This way the back country can be preserved by having trails with bridges etc to protect the stream beds and sensitive ecostructures. This would also give game more undisturbed areas to flourish while still allowing motorized access for those that are mobility impaired or do not have horses. Having trails 5,10 or even 20 miles apart (decided by area) would be more than enough to get "back in there" and then walking to access the rest of the back country.

For those who cannot pack out game due to a disability or injury they should be able to find a relative/friend/hunting partner to help them retrive thier animal.

My 2 cents!

Originally Posted by Dark

You missed the point, it's about seeing your vehicle parked or walking down a line and others driving by you, not an honest mistake, if I bumped into you the way you descibed it there would be no hard feelings *%$# happens.
I will be hunting 340 this weekend never been there so I will be putting miles on my quad, boots and truck, if I see you out there on a cutline or clear cut I will turn around and let you enjoy your hunt.

Hope you enjoy your hunting

Exactly, but don't expect the academics to understand that. LEGALLY they can hunt anywhere they darn well please on public land and by golly they're gonna!

[russ]

and by golly shrub one thing I am absolutely sick of, is self righteous people that think they own public land!

[lilsundance]

When my partner and I are on quads we almost always do a chris cross pattern or agree to meet at a certain corner. If that corner is a mile down the line and I have to go there I am sorry if a truck is parked there but I will go around it to meet at the designated spot and time. I have had lots of people pass me while I am sitting waiting. Doesn't bother me as sometimes a deer or moose will come out after they pass to see what went by. I have dropped more than one deer that way. By the same token I have also been out calling moose and had someone on another line over start an argo and come towards me. They got about 60 yds from me and then shot a moose that was coming out to the call. I never heard him at all as he was one of those silent guys and stood just inside bush. I think if they had of waited about 10 more minutes that bull would have been mine. but who knows. I do know they were po'd at me cause that bull was like shoe leather. lol
No matter what, its going to happen to you sooner or later. No one likes it but it does. Just shrug it off and hope for the best afterwards.

[el sparko]

my fav. spot in 332 has become a popular spot for recreational quadders every possible cutline and trail has been ripped up to the dirt and every soft spot is now a gaping mud bog. this area has always been very productive for elk and it was always my "ace in the hole" area, now the elk seem to have been pushed out and the bone heads pushed in. i guess they have as much right to be there as me but i don't have to like it. if you want to see where i'm coming from take a drive down the medicine lake road in the summer and you will find literally dozens of trailers all camping togather and for each trailer there's one or two quads. this goes on non stop 7 days a week as long as the weather permits. as this sport grows in popularity the quadders keep pushing further and further into the surrounding area. now i'm running out of places to hunt.

[sheep nut]

El Sparko, nice post. From my experience, our ground can't recover as fast as it gets ripped up. Far too many quads. Let your MLA know your thoughts.