Unpleasant time at the range

[markg]

This thread makes me think about my time at the range this week. When I arrived there were a couple of other people on the firing line. A cease fire was called to put up targets.

I proceed to let the other shooters know I had a braked rifle. They were cool about it and one of the other shooters had one as well. We all tried to stay as far away from each other as possible. It just worked and everyone was happy. Amazing what a little bit of courtesy will do.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by kujoseto

I think I’ve seen you and the OP at the same range.
I find the dividers help a bit but the noise level coming from the ceiling is brutal. I find the muzzle brakes to be too much for myself, but at the same time we’re all paying members for those spots.
I’ve noticed many more newer members using the range and several that are newer to firearms in general. I’ve just approached people to ask if they’re aware of different rules when it appears they’re about to break them - or when they cross the line to grab an unloaded firearm when the curtain is down - and so far everyone has been very receptive to it and respectful. It’s a little unnerving when a rule such as that is not known with absolute clarity, but always important to speak up. I’m sure the folks down range would appreciate knowing I didn’t let those fellas grab hold of the firearm. I think if people start with dialogue instead of starting with the notion someone is an a-hole, they’d be surprised how many people respond well and appreciate something being said. The few a-holes will reveal themselves right away. It sounds like the one guy mentioned early on in this thread would’ve but I do like to give them the benefit of the doubt and the opportunity to prove it

Yes shooting under the tin roof really causes the noise to resonate if a brake is used… 100% agree with you there.

LC

[Albertacoyotecaller]

Originally Posted by Sitting Bull

Well, I was at the range today hoping to have some time to work on a load I am trying to develop. The only bench available was between 2 other shooters so I set up. To my surprise both these shooters were using brakes on their rifles. I had never been that close to a braked rifle and I got to say it was not pleasant at all.
a) the noise was unbelievably loud and startling
b) the shock wave or the air that blew back and to the side was unreal.
There should be a special place for these guys to shoot.
Needless to say I shot a few rounds , confirmed zero for one group of bullets and left.
From this experience, I don't think I would consider a break.

A special place for them to shoot? Yea, it’s called the gun range.

If you want something like better engineering at your range, get involved.

And if you can’t have a discussion about an issue, then you have bigger issues than your hearing.

[Trochu]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

My type of range….

Yea, I'm guessing you shoot at least twice as far as that!

[Mateo]

Originally Posted by markg

This thread makes me think about my time at the range this week. When I arrived there were a couple of other people on the firing line. A cease fire was called to put up targets.

I proceed to let the other shooters know I had a braked rifle. They were cool about it and one of the other shooters had one as well. We all tried to stay as far away from each other as possible. It just worked and everyone was happy. Amazing what a little bit of courtesy will do.

This is the way it should be done.

[Big Sky]

It's great to hear that some ranges have taken steps to prevent brass from hitting the next bench and to limit the noise/blast from a braked rifle. Going to the range should be a fun experience for everyone.

It's not uncommon to see guys who are unaware of range rules. At my range, it seems that the rules regarding 'ceasefire' are the ones that people are most commonly unaware of.

Regarding those guys who can't seem to figure out where to sit, shame on them. Being able to choose the correct bench should be a basic skill that every man is well aware of. For those who don't know where to go, here ya go!! ( I'm pretty sure it's a transferable skill )

where to go

[sns2]

Originally Posted by markg

This thread makes me think about my time at the range this week. When I arrived there were a couple of other people on the firing line. A cease fire was called to put up targets.

I proceed to let the other shooters know I had a braked rifle. They were cool about it and one of the other shooters had one as well. We all tried to stay as far away from each other as possible. It just worked and everyone was happy. Amazing what a little bit of courtesy will do.

Way to go, Mark. But that’s just the kind of good dude you are.

[justsomeguy]

My 11 yr old wanted to try one of my "big guns" so I brought my semi-custom 308 which has a Remple brake installed on it. We were at Shepherd so those of you who've been there lately know where this is going.......

We've got those baffles installed to keep stray projectiles from going over the berm due to close neighbours. They are essentially a 20' long piece of 18ish" diameter pipe with vent holes in them. You essentially stick your barrel into he pipe, aim at the target and away you go. Been doing it for a few months with the 22/17/223 and while not ideal it's what we've got to deal with to have a range 20 minutes from home. So we get ready, I load a round in to give it a test fire before letting him try and boom...glasses, hat go flying off my head and I get a nice face wash of muzzle blast back into my face. Needless to say lesson learned, brake was taken off before the little guy took his turn. Even without it the blow back and echo in the pipe was enough to convince me to stick to the rimfire and 223 for now.

[270person]

Originally Posted by AI 6.5

That's funny considering what your solution was in dealing with this guy. Hope there wasn't a mirror close by.

Yes. I should have enjoyed sitting beside a range slob who set up beside me...after I'd been set up and shooting for 15 minutes. Using the open bench 2 over for his spotter. Not himself.

Enjoy your brake.

[270person]

Originally Posted by AI 6.5

I agree with you but courtesy works both ways.

Where I come from you earn it and acting entitled is not one way. Lots of open benches? Sit at least one over.

[270person]

Originally Posted by AI 6.5

Also maybe if this guy is about to set up how about talking to him prior to him settling in and asking if he could move a few benches over. It seems like we don't know how to talk to each other anymore.

Missed the point where I was told talking to him would have no effect and other members have had issues as well? Seems like we don't read enough anymore.

I should inspect shooters rifles when they sit down beside me? I had no clue what he was shooting until my hair got blown back. Wouldn't have mattered one bit if he'd sat down one bench over and had his scope on the one between us but no.

[DLab]

Originally Posted by 270person

Missed the point where I was told talking to him would have no effect and other members have had issues as well? Seems like we don't read enough anymore.

I should inspect shooters rifles when they sit down beside me? I had no clue what he was shooting until my hair got blown back. Wouldn't have mattered one bit if he'd sat down one bench over and had his scope on the one between us but no.

I PM'd you about this incident, did you read that?

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Trochu

Yea, I'm guessing you shoot at least twice as far as that!

Haha I get a close as possible to tighten up my groups…..


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[270person]

Originally Posted by DLab

I PM'd you about this incident, did you read that?

Got home last night after hunting from mid last week on. Kinda priority one. Sent a reply an hour ago.

[antmai]

I shoot prone with my braked rifle and I love it. I have never heard someone say anything but i think thread teases out another problem. Why can’t people use their words anymore? How about identifying to the shooter what you are experiencing? You do not know what you do not know. It is quite possible the person shooting has no idea on the collateral effect.

[marxman]

I too sometimes have more resentment than courage. But I recognize that fault in myself

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

So did anyone go up to any of these people and try to respectfully explain your issues in hopes of working out a solution? If the person is a jerk after attempting this go ahead be chocked and do as you need to after this

The problem with most issues theses days people don’t even attempt to work out the situation. Instead they grumble to themselves, complain to others later or post it on the internet. None of these options solve anything. Some people are just disrespectful but others are actually oblivious that they are causing others grief because no one speaks up.

Speak up without being a jerk and see where it goes. You might find a reasonable compromise. If not you will know the guy is a jerk. You can then blow off some steam and make sure he knows he is an idiot at least

People seem to have forgotten how to work out their issues

This ^^^ Some people use braked rifles because of health issues. There's troublemakers everywhere that use and abuse. What is you were sighting in your 22 and someone sat down beside you with a 7 mm? Who would be the troublemaker then? Respect and common decency goes both ways.

[270person]

Originally Posted by vcmm

This ^^^ Some people use braked rifles because of health issues. There's troublemakers everywhere that use and abuse. What is you were sighting in your 22 and someone sat down beside you with a 7 mm? Who would be the troublemaker then? Respect and common decency goes both ways.

I'd be interested in hearing how "health issues", have anything to do with where a shooter positions himself at the range.

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by 270person

I'd be interested in hearing how "health issues", have anything to do with where a shooter positions himself at the range.

I don't see anywhere in my post mentioning position? I'll quote myself. "Some people use braked rifles because of health issues." Please re-read my post.

[270person]

Originally Posted by vcmm

I don't see anywhere in my post mentioning position? I'll quote myself. "Some people use braked rifles because of health issues." Please re-read my post.

No need. My original post was only about a brake user plunking themselves down right next to someone else when there were lots of open positions available to separate himself. i.e. the one to his left...where he had only a spotting scope set up. Or any of the 2 additional positions left of that. Pretty easy to flip positions and have the spotter between the shooters no?

My original comments were not about brakes, brake users, etc. Just simple consideration when using one when there are multitudes of benches available.

[JeanCretien]

You know, if it wasn’t a mortgage payment per sheet of wood, I’d be interested in getting baffles between tables at the range.


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[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by JeanCretien

You know, if it wasn’t a mortgage payment per sheet of wood, I’d be interested in getting baffles between tables at the range.


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The problem with that, is that with plywood, you wouldn't be able to see all benches before going downrange, to ensure that everyone is aware that a ceasefire has been called, and unloads and moves away from their firearms. Plexiglass is a better choice, but in winter, it can frost up, so extra care is required.

[58thecat]

Just gotta work together so we all can have a pleasant time at the range!


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