Halfords new catalogue prices! - Page 2

braggadoe · #31 03-09-2015, 08:42 PM

me too! my wallet is very thin. and never opens up very wide.

thats why i always get sucked into these types of threads. i'm the cheapest guy out there. if the products are available here in canada. i'll buy here every time.

and generally if your willing to do a little looking around. and a little work yourself. you actually save money, and more often than not, end up with a better product/tool.

Tfng · #32 03-09-2015, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by braggadoe

me too! my wallet is very thin. and never opens up very wide.

thats why i always get sucked into these types of threads. i'm the cheapest guy out there. if the products are available here in canada. i'll buy here every time.

and generally if your willing to do a little looking around. and a little work yourself. you actually save money, and more often than not, end up with a better product/tool.

Have you got a cheap source for MB650C's? I've done lots of online looking around and haven't found any in Canada. I'll admit I haven't made any phone calls though. I'm doing some traveling at the end of the month and would like to have it sorted out by then.

outofbounds · #33 03-09-2015, 09:47 PM

Trans Canada Trapline and Ram Connection out of Ontario are great to deal with. Always have stock, and at the door step in less than 5 business days. Seasonal discounts.

HunterDave · #34 03-09-2015, 09:48 PM

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Has anybody that has purchased these have problems with failures ? Did you Bragg ? Is that how you know they're built with inferior parts ?

I Bought 10 dozen Canadian Dispatch snares in 5/64" with triggers which I used this season. I had a few live catches but no failures whatsoever. I'll be making my own for next season with the useable parts that I saved. The parts are the same as what Halfords is selling and the whammy is better. The cable loaded well and I can't see any difference. IMO, those snares were not inferior at all and they did exactly what they were supposed to do.

Tfng · #35 03-09-2015, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

I Bought 10 dozen Canadian Dispatch snares in 5/64" with triggers which I used this season. I had a few live catches but no failures whatsoever. I'll be making my own for next season with the useable parts that I saved. The parts are the same as what Halfords is selling and the whammy is better. The cable loaded well and I can't see any difference. IMO, those snares were not inferior at all and they did exactly what they were supposed to do.

Out of curiosity Dave. Are the springs still at 90 degrees?

nube · #36 03-09-2015, 10:49 PM

Well 2 years now with my cheap made snares from the snare shop...... I think I put them to the test pretty good and I am pretty happy with the outcome. had 3 chew outs this year and no locks break.
Will be making mine this summer though.

I am interested where you buy your stuff Brag for better steal and decent price. Maybe we should start a thread about where guys go to get the best prices. Some of the new guys me included might not know where to look.

bill9044 · #37 03-09-2015, 11:31 PM

Some guys on other forums in the states were having the odd issue of the end stopper popping off and losing a catch from those snares. I personally invested in a crimper and manufacture my own. I had a friend help me make snare exstentions and he swore his end stop was crimped the best way it looked goofy but I took his word. Next yote caught was gone and had a snare necklace. Man I was p*ssed. The only quality control you can rely on is your own.
And yes I concede the snare price is way different. I was looking at footholds primarily.

TrapperMike · #38 03-09-2015, 11:55 PM

I buy all my snares from the snare shop. I talked to them over the phone and told them how I wanted them put together and they built them to my specks. Price was very reasonable. I don't make my own cause I buy between 600 and 1000 at a time. My job in the summer does not leave with a lot of spare time to build these snares but I do put my own support wires on each one so I'm ready for the fall. I have had no problems with their product. I used them to catch all 235 coyotes this year. My best year was 820 using snare shop snares.

braggadoe · #39 03-10-2015, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

I Bought 10 dozen Canadian Dispatch snares in 5/64" with triggers which I used this season. I had a few live catches but no failures whatsoever.

a live catch in a lethal snare is a failure(huge failure!). so is a huge catch circle, with chewed up trees and bushes(long, drawn out dispatch).

braggadoe · #40 03-10-2015, 05:44 AM

just wanted to add, haveing never seen a "canadain dispatch snare" from the snare shop. or halfords " stinger snare" in person. just going from the description online, and in there catalogs.

the parts look similar, but are totaly different. thus the difference in price.

its gotta suck for a guy to come up with such great idea. and then have someone else just copy it. way of the world i guess.

wallydog · #41 03-10-2015, 08:19 AM

the two places I buy my stuff from is ram connection out of ont and I see no one as mentioned dam beaver trapping supplies from here in sask. his prices are real good and will ship across Canada. check out his website.

tonnage · #42 03-10-2015, 09:34 AM

In Alberta, we have Trapper Gord's, the ATA Store, Halford's and Marty Sennecker's. I'm not sure why anybody would be supporting someone outside of the province or even outside the country to save a few pennies. It's been said that trappers are the cheapest lot around, this thread is proving that.

The Spruce · #43 03-10-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TFNG

Have you got a cheap source for MB650C's? I've done lots of online looking around and haven't found any in Canada. I'll admit I haven't made any phone calls though. I'm doing some traveling at the end of the month and would like to have it sorted out by then.

I picked up 2 dozen MB-750's from F and T last year. Very good price, a lot cheaper with exchange, shipping, etc. Not sure what it would be now with the dollar though.

Spruce

HunterDave · #44 03-10-2015, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TFNG

Out of curiosity Dave. Are the springs still at 90 degrees?

Yes, the springs are good. The teeth in my camlocks are stamped in and the few that I looked at appeared to be okay as well. I'll inspect everything before reusing it and discard anything that I'm not 100% with.

HunterDave · #45 03-10-2015, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by braggadoe

a live catch in a lethal snare is a failure(huge failure!). so is a huge catch circle, with chewed up trees and bushes(long, drawn out dispatch).

Are you saying that that sort of thing doesn't happen with snares/parts that you have to pay more for? I'm still trying to figure out how to get the coyotes to put their heads into the snare just right so it tightens right behind the ears.

HunterDave · #46 03-10-2015, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by braggadoe

its gotta suck for a guy to come up with such great idea. and then have someone else just copy it. way of the world i guess.

With this I'll agree with you but I won't mislead anyone about other products because of it.

The way that I see it is, Pfizer spent millions developing Viagra only to have other pharmaceutical companies make generic brands several years later. You can spend the extra money to buy the name brand, or save some money and buy the generic brand that will produce the same results.

tomcat · #47 03-10-2015, 12:35 PM

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I'm still trying to figure out how to get the coyotes to put their heads into the snare just right so it tightens right behind the ears.

I'm with "braggadoe" in the opinion that any live catch, or a catch with more than very minimal site disturbance, is a failure with a lethal snare, as the purpose of the "lethal" snare was not obtained.

As far as consistent catches with the snare tightening at the base of the skull I suggest the following:
-Use a long 8-10 foot snare, in most situations – allows enough distance for the animal to lunge and set the lock solid, with a 14-15 inch loop with bottom of loop set 14-15 inches off the ground, in most trail set up situations.

-Tie off high and solid – solid tie allows for solid locking and tying high keeps the snare and lock high up on the back of the neck at the desired neck/base of skull dispatch zone. This is accomplished by forming an angle of about 45 degrees from the animal to the snare tie/anchor point.

These pictures should explain the reasoning for the 14" height above the ground. The large loop just provides a greater area to enter. The height of the loop bottom above the ground is the critical factor.

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HunterDave · #48 03-10-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tomcat

As far as consistent catches with the snare tightening at the base of the skull I suggest the following:
-Use a long 8-10 foot snare, in most situations – allows enough distance for the animal to lunge and set the lock solid, with a 14-15 inch loop with bottom of loop set 14-15 inches off the ground, in most trail set up situations.

-Tie off high and solid – solid tie allows for solid locking and tying high keeps the snare and lock high up on the back of the neck at the desired neck/base of skull dispatch zone. This is accomplished by forming an angle of about 45 degrees from the animal to the snare tie/anchor point.

Thanks for the tips, Tomcat. I use 5' snares with an 8' extension. I haven't tried a bigger sized loop or higher from the ground but I'll set a few like that next year and give it a try. I've done things according to the manual and it says 10" - 12" loop, 12" off the ground so that's what I did this year. I've been anchoring high and solid like you described.

Don't get me wrong, I've had a lot of perfect catches and I'm striving to get them all like that but being my first season snaring, there is a bit of a learning curve. I've noticed a lot of improvement from November when I first started up until now. I don't blame my equipment for any live catches that I had early in the season or any disturbances at the catch site though. I CSI every catch to try to figure out what worked well or not. In a lot of cases it was me not putting the trigger to the side of the spring and it didn't fire or something like that but I'm improving with every catch.

tomcat · #49 03-10-2015, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterDave

I've done things according to the manual and it says 10" - 12" loop, 12" off the ground so that's what I did this year. I've been anchoring high and solid like you described.

What specific manual are you referring to? Even the 1987 Alberta manual specifies a 14" loop and the authors of your current ATA manual are also the authors of the BCTA manual which specifies a 14" loop, 14" above the ground. These are basic guidelines and depending on the situation my be smaller or large but are generally accepted as the best for general use. I can't see why Alberta would be any different than BC.

pikeslayer22 · #50 03-10-2015, 01:42 PM

This is from the most current manual. Sorry everything i post off my phone goes sideways!

braggadoe · #51 03-10-2015, 02:02 PM

at least thats slightly closer than the blurb in the back of the regs. maybe in the next manuel they'll get it right.

pikeslayer22 · #52 03-10-2015, 02:07 PM

Its also the height that was instructed to set at the course...with a question on the test pertaining to it....sooooo??

HunterDave · #53 03-10-2015, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tomcat

What specific manual are you referring to? Even the 1987 Alberta manual specifies a 14" loop and the authors of your current ATA manual are also the authors of the BCTA manual which specifies a 14" loop, 14" above the ground. These are basic guidelines and depending on the situation my be smaller or large but are generally accepted as the best for general use. I can't see why Alberta would be any different than BC.

I'm guessing that the recommended sizes have changed since 1987. I have the ATA 2013 manual and it's the same in the newest manual. For wolf it's a 14" loop, 14" high.

braggadoe · #54 03-10-2015, 02:20 PM

you guys should just call marty. order some stuff and ask a bunch of questions. you'll be way ahead!

pikeslayer22 · #55 03-10-2015, 02:24 PM

Your Probalby right Brag but after putting out the cost of the course for me and my 2 boys i would hope that something we were instructed on would hold some water!!!!!!!!!!!!!

braggadoe · #56 03-10-2015, 02:28 PM

i'm sure you learned alot of good stuff. call marty.

nube · #57 03-10-2015, 02:57 PM

I hung mine last year at 10-12" and I use a 14" loop. This year I hung mine higher. I had less coyotes alive and less site disturbance if that helps. The problem with the bigger loops is I caught a few around the hips. Even had one jump right through. Smaller loops and I have had more back out. I really don't think there is a perfect way to do it.

crazyfish · #58 03-10-2015, 05:22 PM

Tomcat , the only thing I see with hanging them higher , is that most of the time the coyotes are in curious mode and have their heads down lower sniffing and smelling as they approach bait sites etc , so I think a slightly lower set height of 12 inches is where I settled on this year and will stay there , with a 12" loop as well with a small twig for a chin lift

tomcat · #59 03-10-2015, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by crazyfish

Tomcat , the only thing I see with hanging them higher , is that most of the time the coyotes are in curious mode and have their heads down lower sniffing and smelling as they approach bait sites etc , so I think a slightly lower set height of 12 inches is where I settled on this year and will stay there , with a 12" loop as well with a small twig for a chin lift

Well "crazyfish" that's where we disagree. IMO the coyote will have it's head up catching the scent from the bait in the air and looking for it, unless it is following the trail the bait was drug over. As an experienced hound man I have notice the dogs usually have there nose up in the air when following a hot scent rather in the ground on the track.

crazyfish · #60 03-10-2015, 06:57 PM

I accept your point of view ! Maybe I will raise my snares a little when closer to the bait , but I think farther away and on blind trail sets I will continue as I do ! Always good to get another side / thought process to keep a guy thinking and working things out and to improve ! Cool