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Old 07-12-2018, 07:43 PM
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Convicted and fined $36000.

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A guide-outfitter was fined $36,000 for hunting out of season and without a licence in Red Deer provincial court on Wednesday.

Richard “Todd” Bunnage, and his now-defunct Cardston-based company Rugged Outfitting, were convicted last month of eight Wildlife Act charges for incidents during guided hunts in the West Country in 2015.

Judge Bert Skinner also banned Bunnage from acting as a guide-outfitter for five years.

The judge said in sentencing that “by not getting the proper licences (Bunnage) was a very poor ambassador for Canada and Alberta.”

Bunnage was guiding U.S. clients when the offences occurred. If word gets out that hiring guide-outfitters could lead to legal issues “this may put this entire industry in jeopardy,” said Skinner.

“So, it’s very important the rules are followed.”

Crown prosecutor Martha O’Connor was seeking $50,000 in fines and a 15-year guide-outfitting prohibition, pointing out Bunnage was already banned from personal recreational hunting for five years after Wildlife Act convictions in 2014.

O’Connor said Bunnage’s actions had the “potential to impact the success of other hunters” and could hurt the reputation of the whole guide-outfitter business.

Defence lawyer Richard Fritze called for smaller fines, arguing Bunnage was not involved in the kind of “blatant and abusive” behaviour that led to large fines and even a prison term in other cases.

There is a “world of difference” in Bunnage’s case, he said.”It’s not like he was gaming the system …”

Fritze also argued that there is a grey area in the province’s hunting licence system because it allows hunters to unknowingly buy invalid licences, adding the facts of the case don’t call for a “sledgehammer approach” in punishment.

Bunnage also addressed the judge, saying he did not realize the hunting licences he had were not considered valid.

“I was not playing the system in any way, shape or form,” said Bunnage.

As part of the decision, the judge ordered that a pair of moose heads and hides taken in the illegal hunts be forfeited. Another head and hide were to be returned to the hunter because it was not connected to a conviction.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:26 PM
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So much wrong with this!
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Banned from personal hunting due to wildlife convictions in 2014????????
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:36 PM
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So much wrong with this!
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Banned from personal hunting due to wildlife convictions in 2014????????
just imagine someone with their license suspended for driving under the influence who gets to keep driving his taxi, rig, or school bus... yah, that would be OK

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Old 07-12-2018, 09:01 PM
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just imagine someone with their license suspended for driving under the influence who gets to keep driving his taxi, rig, or school bus... yah, that would be OK

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Like in the 80’s when there would be tractors at the small town bars because they couldn’t get impaireds because it was their livelihood?(or something like that)
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:04 PM
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Like in the 80’s when there would be tractors at the small town bars because they couldn’t get impaireds because it was their livelihood?(or something like that)
I always thought it was because you didn't need a license to operate a tractor, kind of like riding a bicycle under the influence (I always figured that one was self correcting )

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Old 07-12-2018, 09:06 PM
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I always thought it was because you didn't need a license to operate a tractor, kind of like riding a bicycle under the influence (I always figured that one was self correcting )

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Maybe your right. I just remember something or other about tractors at bars...
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I always thought it was because you didn't need a license to operate a tractor, kind of like riding a bicycle under the influence (I always figured that one was self correcting )

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Not a lie. I was detained for cycling while on the beers. I was allowed to walk my bike as long as I did not mount it. This was in Edmonton aboot '07.

I walked my bike home and haven't rode on beers since.

I expect rules will become much more stringent as of mid Oct.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:25 PM
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Actually it is possible to get an impaired on a bicycle. Happened to a guy in my home town in the mid 90's.
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Old 07-13-2018, 01:42 AM
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This guy had quite the statement today on FB in the Alberta Hunting Addicts group. Not sure I have interpreted this right, but, the gist of it was that he bought allocations for his clients for archery season, and then took these clients out in open season, bowhunting, but the tags were only good for archery season. And he said he had been doing it for 15yrs. It sounded like he was taking out clients who had bought general tags, after archery season, under his allocation, when the tags his clients had bought, weren't valid where he was hunting. He basically said everyone who had commented on his case could stick it. He was not at all nice about it. Accused the gov't witness of changing the rules on the witness stand. He really didn't think he'd done anything wrong.
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Old 07-13-2018, 03:18 AM
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Thank you for tagging me as if to say I didn’t know? I have refrained from commenting on this when it was first posted as I watched lots of people say what a piece of **** I am and even made lots of guesses as to the real issue. As I have not seen any hunting addicts in Court you are all are arm chair quarter backs.
What this boils down to is that I purchased archery tags for my archery hunters. I have extensions to other hunters into different WMUs all of my hunters purchased their licenses from Caroline supplies and went hunting into the WMUs they were assigned too. I have done this for 17 years. I have been pulled over and checked by FW numerous times never once have they raised a question about my hunters licenses.
I lodged a formal complaint about an officer 6 years ago and my life has since been under attack.
With this case I purchased my licenses and hunted my hunters without any problems. Two years after my hunters went home I was charged with using invalid licenses. They said my archery licenses could not carry over into the open season. No where on the licenses or the regulations does it say that. The licenses have ARCHERY ONLY on them NO DATES No mention of season.
My hunters always used archery equipment and the government sold my hunters their licenses after they said the season was closed. The government took there money sent them out the door and even FW checked us in the field and never raised a question. So this was not a poaching without a license story. The government sold every hunter a license.
I know I am going to hear all you critics say what a piece of **** I am and that’s fine.
All you Guides and outfitters who use archery bear tags in the rifle season good luck now because the government testified there is NO exception AT ALL. The archery tags of every species expire at the end of the archery season no matter what. I guess FW needs more revenue and your all next.
You residents that can hunt in any WMU with bow and then rifle it’s great you will be able to continue.
The Nonresident licenses are different. I was found guilty of 3 hunters and my company was found equally guilty. Even though the government sold my hunters the tags after they say the season was closed.
The truth of the trial was Rugged was charged with me they charged double sections for each. Sec 24 and 25 for me and my company each that’s how it works I was not convicted of 8 separate hunter violations it was three hunters with two sections for the same incident.
This does not reflect anything negative about APOS they had nothing to do with this. It does not have anything to do with lack of discipline by APOS.
This was 100% on me. I firmly believed if the government sells a tag it’s valid.
So go a head and call me all the names you want tell me what a piece of **** I am and what all outfitters are but reality is if FW has you in there sights they will find something to charge you with. I noticed there was No mention in the article I was acquitted of 25 charges? Why..... were any you of you there?
I will go pop some popcorn and watch all your disdain and hatred.
This is not over and if I was an outfitter I would be very careful buying anything from our government. All you guys running archery bear hunters in the rifle season your next. Government testified your running illegal hunts. Good luck.


This was his post on Alberta Hunting Addicts. Doesn't seem to understand it still. I thought the general tag only being valid for Bow season was pretty clear in the Regs.
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Old 07-13-2018, 03:24 AM
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What does a person have to do, and how often, before they just get permanently barred from hunting..period?

This idiot obviously has no respect for wildlife or the rules and never will so take away his firearm ownership and hunting privileges permanently.

Do this a few times and maybe some of these so called "guides" will think twice.
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:29 AM
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What does a person have to do, and how often, before they just get permanently barred from hunting..period?

This idiot obviously has no respect for wildlife or the rules and never will so take away his firearm ownership and hunting privileges permanently.

Do this a few times and maybe some of these so called "guides" will think twice.
One outfitter with the initials LM has been convicted many times, for Wildlife Act violations, criminal acts, and trafficking in Wildlife, and he is still a member of APOS, and is still involved in outfitting. Neither our government or APOS will take action to stop him. Amazingly enough, foreign hunters still book with his outfit, despite his record.
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Old 07-13-2018, 06:29 AM
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Now I'm confused

So I'm not suppose to use my bow in general hunting season. Strange indeed.

I start in Archey season and normally care it over into the general season. Lots of us have been using bows in that season.

Did I miss something in the regulations
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Old 07-13-2018, 06:57 AM
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Now I'm confused

So I'm not suppose to use my bow in general hunting season. Strange indeed.

I start in Archey season and normally care it over into the general season. Lots of us have been using bows in that season.

Did I miss something in the regulations
You can use bow in general season but under general tags. You can’t carry over your archery tags into General season
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Old 07-13-2018, 07:49 AM
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Todd Bunnage
Thank you for tagging me as if to say I didn’t know? I have refrained from commenting on this when it was first posted as I watched lots of people say what a piece of **** I am and even made lots of guesses as to the real issue. As I have not seen any hunting addicts in Court you are all are arm chair quarter backs.
What this boils down to is that I purchased archery tags for my archery hunters. I have extensions to other hunters into different WMUs all of my hunters purchased their licenses from Caroline supplies and went hunting into the WMUs they were assigned too. I have done this for 17 years. I have been pulled over and checked by FW numerous times never once have they raised a question about my hunters licenses.
I lodged a formal complaint about an officer 6 years ago and my life has since been under attack.
With this case I purchased my licenses and hunted my hunters without any problems. Two years after my hunters went home I was charged with using invalid licenses. They said my archery licenses could not carry over into the open season. No where on the licenses or the regulations does it say that. The licenses have ARCHERY ONLY on them NO DATES No mention of season.
My hunters always used archery equipment and the government sold my hunters their licenses after they said the season was closed. The government took there money sent them out the door and even FW checked us in the field and never raised a question. So this was not a poaching without a license story. The government sold every hunter a license.
I know I am going to hear all you critics say what a piece of **** I am and that’s fine.
All you Guides and outfitters who use archery bear tags in the rifle season good luck now because the government testified there is NO exception AT ALL. The archery tags of every species expire at the end of the archery season no matter what. I guess FW needs more revenue and your all next.
You residents that can hunt in any WMU with bow and then rifle it’s great you will be able to continue.
The Nonresident licenses are different. I was found guilty of 3 hunters and my company was found equally guilty. Even though the government sold my hunters the tags after they say the season was closed.
The truth of the trial was Rugged was charged with me they charged double sections for each. Sec 24 and 25 for me and my company each that’s how it works I was not convicted of 8 separate hunter violations it was three hunters with two sections for the same incident.
This does not reflect anything negative about APOS they had nothing to do with this. It does not have anything to do with lack of discipline by APOS.
This was 100% on me. I firmly believed if the government sells a tag it’s valid.
So go a head and call me all the names you want tell me what a piece of **** I am and what all outfitters are but reality is if FW has you in there sights they will find something to charge you with. I noticed there was No mention in the article I was acquitted of 25 charges? Why..... were any you of you there?
I will go pop some popcorn and watch all your disdain and hatred.
This is not over and if I was an outfitter I would be very careful buying anything from our government. All you guys running archery bear hunters in the rifle season your next. Government testified your running illegal hunts. Good luck.


This was his post on Alberta Hunting Addicts. Doesn't seem to understand it still. I thought the general tag only being valid for Bow season was pretty clear in the Regs.
The guy is either amazingly dumb or is a flat out liar. It is very clear in the regs. Just like the youth mule deer...every year guys have their kids out rifle shooting in November in draw only zones.
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Old 07-13-2018, 08:16 AM
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There is some truth to this outfitter's comments.

For Outfitter allocations, Archery licences can be used in the general season with authorization from F&W.


This is an issue that some have wanted to see changed.


In the past, I suspect the paperwork was not done nor demanded with no enforcement. Today for this Outfitter and the rest, this rule might be enforced.


No job is done until....
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You can use bow in general season but under general tags. You can’t carry over your archery tags into General season
Thank you

That's what I thought, yes,,, general rules apply once that part of the season kicks in, some times the regs send me for a loop.

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I always thought it was because you didn't need a license to operate a tractor, kind of like riding a bicycle under the influence (I always figured that one was self correcting )

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You can get an impaired operation of a vehicle in Poland for riding a bike drunk. I think horseback is the only way you can't since you just get on and the horse is self driving haha. I've seen it happen many times out in the country.
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He now owns and runs a territory in BC. There needs to be better communication between provinces and/or background checks for potential guides/owners of territories.
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So am I understanding this correctly?
His hunters were sold archery season tags after the season was closed?
How does that even happen?
Shouldn't the sale of those tags end after the season is closed?
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Old 07-13-2018, 09:44 AM
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You can get an impaired operation of a vehicle in Poland for riding a bike drunk. I think horseback is the only way you can't since you just get on and the horse is self driving haha. I've seen it happen many times out in the country.
Myth. You can get an impaired on a horse, if you are riding it on a highway or road. You are directing the horse to go there and supposedly in care and control of it even if you passed out in the saddle and the horse is wandering around or taking you home on a road. No different than a bicycle, lawn tractor, farm tractor, if your in care and control of any mode of transportation and blow over the limit on a legal roadway you can get tagged with an impaired. Most officers will just tell you to get off the road and go home unless your doing something stupid.
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So am I understanding this correctly?
His hunters were sold archery season tags after the season was closed?
How does that even happen?
Shouldn't the sale of those tags end after the season is closed?
It's not up to the person selling the tags, it's up to the person buying them to know. Many clerks and vendors selling licences know nothing about the regulations, Clerks are not walking encyclopedias when it comes to regulations. Its pretty hard to believe an outfitter who is and has been in that business for that many years doesn't know the rules of their own business. Somebody's grasping at straws. I can go into Canadian tire after deer season is closed and buy a deer tag, doesn't make it legal for me to go hunt or shoot one though.
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Meh. It's a Government run software system that the vendors use which I guess no one could find a way to put something into the code that says after the season ends they can no longer punch in the sale.
Not saying the person buying them doesn't need to know but there should still be no way to sell them after the season is closed.
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I don't think there is anything wrong with the system. There are some zones open for archery only (moose) right up until November 30th (212, 248, 410). So yes you can buy moose (archery) tags in Alberta up to November 30th, but is up to the hunter to know where they are able to use them. After reading that post from the other forum this guy is just flat out lying, or is actually ignorant to the regulations. Having said that does anyone know what zone this took place in and what the date was?
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Anyone that makes a living from outfitting should make the effort to learn the system.
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Meh. It's a Government run software system that the vendors use which I guess no one could find a way to put something into the code that says after the season ends they can no longer punch in the sale.
Not saying the person buying them doesn't need to know but there should still be no way to sell them after the season is closed.
I would agree.

I just tried to buy some classified water licences for BC. It can tell me that no more are available for those dates but if you want these dates we have some? Shouldn't be that hard for the system to tell you season's over. License can't be sold. It's not like we are using paper tags from a book.

That being said, still up to him as the business owner to know the law. That's how that system works.
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The guy is either amazingly dumb or is a flat out liar. It is very clear in the regs. Just like the youth mule deer...every year guys have their kids out rifle shooting in November in draw only zones.
I went to school with Todd....my experience is that both apply. He was never the sharpest....
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He now owns and runs a territory in BC. There needs to be better communication between provinces and/or background checks for potential guides/owners of territories.
Were is his area in B.C.
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So much fail in one thread

From archery tags to getting “an impaired on a horse or bike or tractor”

Absolutely cannot stand those “wives tales”

If some men were real men, those wives wouldn’t have time to make up tales......🤢🤮
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so much fail in one thread

from archery tags to getting “an impaired on a horse or bike or tractor”

absolutely cannot stand those “wives tales”

if some men were real men, those wives wouldn’t have time to make up tales......🤢🤮

lol!!!
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