B & C Says It Isn’t Fair Chase

[Tronneroi]

Interesting article.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/...ot-fair-chase/

[waldedw]

A number of states have already banned the real time trail cameras, Canadian provinces will soon follow

[Tronneroi]

Originally Posted by waldedw

A number of states have already banned the real time trail cameras, Canadian provinces will soon follow

Yep I think so. Don't disagree either, even though I'm sure someone could provide me with a reasonable example.

[brewster29]

Originally Posted by waldedw

A number of states have already banned the real time trail cameras, Canadian provinces will soon follow

British Columbia has banned them.

[Yukongold]

Originally Posted by Tronneroi

Interesting article.

https://www.outdoorlife.com/hunting/...ot-fair-chase/

It took an organization like B & C this long to come up with a statement like this is not ethical hunting. Just WOW!!

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Yukongold

It took an organization like B & C this long to come up with a statement like this is not ethical hunting. Just WOW!!

Huh?

[TBark]

Banning them for these clubs is one thing, seeing cell cams banned all together, doubt that will happen.
But maybe crown land restrictions in the future?

TBark

[Pathfinder76]

Why in the world does anyone care what B&C thinks?

[Big Grey Wolf]

Good to see B & C still protecting "Fair Chase" against electronic toys. You actually have to hunt your trophy before you can brag about your success, not shoot an unsuspecting elk at 1000 yards with your military hardware.

[wildwoods]

Not a fan of cell cams. I’ve had one and don’t think they are ethical. My opinion FWIW

[catnthehat]

The problem with terms like "fair chase" and "Ethical" is that what some consider one way, others do not.
Take a look at baiting bears, deer, minimum calibers, spears and atlatls, the list never stops.
For example, consider long range hunting unethical, yet there is no definition for " long range "
Hunting with hounds is another , heck some places do not even consider percussion cap muzzle loaders primitive arms!
Cat

[270hunter]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

The problem with terms like "fair chase" and "Ethical" is that what some consider one way, others do not.
Take a look at baiting bears, deer, minimum calibers, spears and atlatls, the list never stops.
For example, consider long range hunting unethical, yet there is no definition for " long range "
Hunting with hounds is another , heck some places do not even consider percussion cap muzzle loaders primitive arms!
Cat

X2

[Yukongold]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

Good to see B & C still protecting "Fair Chase" against electronic toys. You actually have to hunt your trophy before you can brag about your success, not shoot an unsuspecting elk at 1000 yards with your military hardware.

This: and bragging on social media are the two worst scenarios for people who like to hunt and want to continue to do so.

[DirtShooter]

As someone that has 3 spypoint cell cams (won one through a trail cam photo contest with the other lol) they aren't all that great, chew threw batteries, signal varies. My $50 amazon ones perform just as well.

[Hilgy]

Originally Posted by DirtShooter

As someone that has 3 spypoint cell cams (won one through a trail cam photo contest with the other lol) they aren't all that great, chew threw batteries, signal varies. My $50 amazon ones perform just as well.

We run a couple of the Solar Spypoints and can run them pretty much year round without issue. Even the batteries in the Cell link lasted close to 10 months.

[35 whelen]

I run 3 spypoints all work very good except during -30s ,when they warm up start working again ,

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

Good to see B & C still protecting "Fair Chase" against electronic toys. You actually have to hunt your trophy before you can brag about your success, not shoot an unsuspecting elk at 1000 yards with your military hardware.

Because this is soooo common.

[KBF]

Theres way more folks on radios, and cellphones communicating back and forth in relation to game than any camera been responsible for. I would suspect then that this would jeopardize the legitimacy of the current world record non typical elk. (Note I said, "suspect"). Watch any of their productions, this group is very pro radio.

[Yukongold]

Originally Posted by chuck

Because this is soooo common.

It has become more common in the last 20 years. There are people who will throw money at anything if they think it increases their chances and saves effort and work. Developers of gagetry know this market is very lucrative. Do you think they care about fair chase, animals or any ethics in hunting? They are in the game to get rich and appeal the latest toy to the masses. I hope none of us are so smug and arrogant that they think the woke crowd will never get us. They are and THEY WILL. It's up to us to be smarter.

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

The problem with terms like "fair chase" and "Ethical" is that what some consider one way, others do not.
Take a look at baiting bears, deer, minimum calibers, spears and atlatls, the list never stops.
For example, consider long range hunting unethical, yet there is no definition for " long range "
Hunting with hounds is another , heck some places do not even consider percussion cap muzzle loaders primitive arms!
Cat

It's all about people's perceptions and arbitrary rules. The modern in line muzzle loader with a scoped sight is hardly a primitive weapon.

Grizz

[CNP]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

Good to see B & C still protecting "Fair Chase" against electronic toys. You actually have to hunt your trophy before you can brag about your success, not shoot an unsuspecting elk at 1000 yards with your military hardware.

Military hardware?

Unsuspecting elk?

[Jerry D]

Using technology is part of the hunting. Yes you can hunt without out. But when your party hunting here. You have to be able to be in touch. It’s great to tell your buddy you bumped one their directly via a radio or cell and to get ready. It’s gets the blood flowing!

Each will have to decide what is ethical to them. See some of these thermal devices. You can literally see through the forest with them. And theres so much more from cartridge selection, bullet selection. Foot lbs of energy. Using a bow and draw weights. Instinctive shooting. Using a crossbow. Buckshot vs slugs. Max range. Energy. Barnes vs Berger’s

Some people are better shots at 500 than some are at 50. It’s what your comfortable with.

[KBF]

Originally Posted by Yukongold

It has become more common in the last 20 years. There are people who will throw money at anything if they think it increases their chances and saves effort and work. Developers of gagetry know this market is very lucrative. Do you think they care about fair chase, animals or any ethics in hunting? They are in the game to get rich and appeal the latest toy to the masses. I hope none of us are so smug and arrogant that they think the woke crowd will never get us. They are and THEY WILL. It's up to us to be smarter.

It seems after reading the article that B&C are more leaning towards just protecting the perception of hunting and it validity in this day and age to the non-supporting side. Glad i read it. Kind of like a pulling all your teeth so you dont get a cavity type situation. But I hear you, those that typically push enough win.

[philintheblank]

I like using cell cams to save gas money while Bear baiting.

Haven't put one out anything else other than baiting though.

[DirtShooter]

Originally Posted by Hilgy

We run a couple of the Solar Spypoints and can run them pretty much year round without issue. Even the batteries in the Cell link lasted close to 10 months.

What kind of solar panels are you running?

[pikeslayer22]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

The problem with terms like "fair chase" and "Ethical" is that what some consider one way, others do not.
Take a look at baiting bears, deer, minimum calibers, spears and atlatls, the list never stops.
For example, consider long range hunting unethical, yet there is no definition for " long range "
Hunting with hounds is another , heck some places do not even consider percussion cap muzzle loaders primitive arms!
Cat

Exactly

[Don_Parsons]

I'm like Cat and alot of others...

I like scouting and hunting blind in the forests and open spots,,, I could care less what others do...

Go get the critter your after that suits your fancy,,, take your tech and get at it,,, or remain old school with less junk too pack along,,, use,,, or work with...

If tech is what it takes then get at it,,, get at it... there is no definition of tech ,,, is one rock more advanced then the next rock,,, is there an advantage of that stick vs this stick...

Whats that,,, you hunt with a black power,,, that seems like an advantage over a rock or stick...

What happened too the days when hunting harvesters use too gather game by bare hands...

Would that mean a person on a horse with a spear or bow & arrow has a clear advantage...

Guess it depends on what dirt field a person walks on,,, my clear advantage is just being out there too be successful or not,,, some times it works,,, alot of the time it dosen't...

The part that stands out at my success-full'ness is just being out there at the right place,,, right time,,, right critter,,, and the right opertunity too make it happen...

Yha /// Nay,,, don't know since I have advantages in many ways just like others...

I bet 10 too 1 that my truck is an advantage too go too my hunting grounds,,, even though I hunt on foot...

Oh well,,, guess im stupid that way...

Im ok with either or since I hunt my hunt,,, all of us hunt our hunts...

Life is simple that way...

Oh,,, Happy New Year All,,, I hope all the best too many of my old Crayon friends going into 2022,,, now how kool is that...

Cheers,,, Don

[Dubious]

Seems like a lot to do about nothing/old man yells at clouds!

The guys that think of you have a cell trail camera it’s some how a silver bullet and all you ever do is knock over book class game are smoking something for sure you still have to get over there to get them, they still need to be there when you get there, Where the cell service is isn’t always where the game is sometimes it takes quite some time for the message to even come if they come at all due to patchy service. Banning cell cameras or trail cameras is silly and poorly thought out. What next? Can’t have a radio cell phone or 2 way sat device on you? Someone might send a message or call and tell you where the game is how is it any different. With all these ban this ban that attitudes you guys are going to put your selves in a position where only trad bows are allowed for “ethical fair chase”

[DiabeticKripple]

i have 0 issues with cell cams and i think they are quite neat. they keep me interested year round without having to burn $$$$ just to pull cards.

[saskbooknut]

Boone and Crockett is not alone in their concern.
Arizona and Utah have banned trail cameras for hunting.
Half a dozen states have banned cellular trail cameras.
BC has banned cellular trail cameras for hunting, and more Provinces are considering such bans.
Drone cameras have been widely banned.
You can see which way the wind is blowing.