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Old 09-16-2019, 07:20 AM
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More nonsense from the anti firearms lobby in Quebec. There is no way that people like this , will ever listen to reason, but unfortunately, the government does want their votes.

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Old 09-16-2019, 08:24 AM
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That looks like PolySeSouvient has taken a page out of the playbook from the trolls at 4chan and 9gag: spread lies that sounds plausible to the ignorant masses. Useful idiots will latch onto the nonsense and disseminate it to a wider audience, spreading further outrage.
While the instigators sit back and giggle in their mommies basement as the world burns. Bragging rights go to the instigator of the most social turmoil.

They live to engage posts like this on public forums for the entire online community to see: a piling-on of epic proportions usually follows. They take trolling to whole new level.

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Old 09-16-2019, 08:47 AM
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She’s so looney not even liberal gun control is good enough for her. Pretty obvious she has mental health issues that should be addressed.
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Old 09-16-2019, 08:48 AM
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Old 09-16-2019, 09:13 AM
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Back to the build a fence around them and let them go. Then we out in the wild wild west and our neighbors might be able to sway a country decision in our direction. Pretty bad when 2 provinces choose what we get and do.
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Technically that statement would be true, but it fails to note that the deaths would be those of deer, elk, moose, coyotes, ground squirrels, etc rather than deaths of humans. That's a pretty significant mislead.
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Old 09-16-2019, 10:46 AM
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What Caber said.
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Old 09-16-2019, 10:07 PM
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Haha that is the most asinine thing I’ve ever read! What a misinformed agenda seeking dolt!! I hope someone sets that bit of horse pucky straight!
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Old 09-17-2019, 07:07 AM
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I ve found that when people are right about something and have the facts on their side they have no need to to lie. The more of this I see, along with all the other bs from the east, the more appealing separation looks.
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It looks like that’s PolySeSouvient quoting a Toronto Star opinion piece on suicide, so I guess they’re comparing suicidal people as somehow being a danger to society, the author is apparently an ER physician and is co-chair of public affairs for the Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians. Naturally an ER physician from Toronto is going to be seeing more gunshot wounds at work than one from Moose Jaw.

While the piece claims that firearms suicides have higher success rates than poisoning or wrist slashing, it noticeably omitted hanging from the comparison.

That he notes suicides are practically never reported in the media is because the media has a policy of not reporting on people killing themselves unless there’s some extraneous circumstance that makes it impossible to conceal.

The opinion also misses the fact that the very first option when calling the Canadian Firearms Centre is essentially a red flag reporting selection, it’s option #1 and this author claims that there is no ‘red flag’ law. Call any police dept in Canada with a mental health concern about a person who owns firearms and that person will be getting an unpleasant visit from LE regardless of whether the report had any merit or not. This twit claims there’s no ‘red flag’ laws here.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/cont...-suicides.html

“ This is National Suicide Prevention Week and Canada is engaged in a national election.

The public’s increasing concern about the rise in gun crime in our urban areas and the need for improved gun control will undoubtedly be debated by the various political parties.

Having closely followed the issue for close to three decades, I have always found it curious that when politicians talk about gun control they totally ignore the cause of the greatest number of firearm deaths – suicide.

Canada has one of the highest rates of suicides by firearms in the developed world. Seventy-five per cent of firearm deaths in Canada are due to suicide and that equates to more than 500 Canadians who die every year as a result of gun suicide.

The proportion of completed suicides is highest with a firearm. Guns are a particularly lethal method of suicide with a lethality rate of over 90 per cent. Suicide attempts by guns are usually successful, whereas attempts by other means (e.g., drugs, cutting) are much less so.

Provinces with higher rates of gun ownership generally tend to have higher rates of gun suicide and where hunting is a sport and firearms are more readily available the firearm suicide is higher than in urban areas. A home where a firearm is kept is five times more likely to be the scene of a suicide than a home without a gun.

The reality is that most gun deaths in Canada are not a result of urban gangs with smuggled handguns but farmers and hunters with perfectly legal shotguns and rifles.

These are practically never reported in the media.

Study after study has shown that access to firearms increases the risk of suicide and that a reduction in access to firearms reduces both the risk of suicide by firearm and overall suicide rate.

It is thus probably time that we frame the issue of gun control not as strictly crime control but in its proper place as a public health and suicide prevention issue.

Keeping weapons out of the hands of the severely mentally ill will save lives.

Suicide is often impulsive, the decision made to pull the trigger between minutes and one hour.

Many suicidal crises are temporary. Most people, who attempt suicide never repeat it. More than 90 per cent of people who survive a suicide attempt do not go on to die by suicide.

Temporarily removing the guns from a home of a potentially suicidal patient will save valuable Canadian lives.

In the various debates surrounding Canada’s latest incarnation of gun control – Bill C-71 – the Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians repeatedly called for a new approach to gun control.

We have asked for improved research into firearm injury and death in Canada, a more concerted effort into teaching health professionals to engage with their patients about firearms ownership, a more aggressive approach to ensuring safe storage practices and lastly, a mandated responsibility for physicians to report individuals at risk of firearm death.

In the United States there is currently an extensive debate and indeed the passing of so-called “Red Flag” laws to prevent suicides and mass shootings.

If a person with access to firearms is deemed to be capable of perpetrating a violent act upon himself or others, then the state has the right to temporarily confiscate their guns until such time as their depression or psychosis has been treated and their mental health crisis has passed.

In Canada, we report unsafe drivers and pilots, certain infectious diseases and perpetrators of child abuse. We cannot report those with a serious mental illness and a gun, unless they directly threaten harm to another or are deemed an immediate threat to suicide.

The public can report an unsafe individual to a chief firearms officer, but it is unclear how often this is actually done and in the immediacy of the physician-patient encounter is impractical.

If we are going to reduce the number of firearm deaths in Canada, we need a renewed focus on firearm suicides, and we need to consider Red Flag laws.

In Canada, this is where the debate should be.”
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Old 09-17-2019, 08:50 AM
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I probably would not be very rational about firearms either if I was shot four times during a mass shooting, either.
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Old 09-17-2019, 09:01 AM
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It looks like that’s PolySeSouvient quoting a Toronto Star opinion piece on suicide, so I guess they’re comparing suicidal people as somehow being a danger to society, the author is apparently an ER physician and is co-chair of public affairs for the Canadian Association of Emergency Physicians. Naturally an ER physician from Toronto is going to be seeing more gunshot wounds at work than one from Moose Jaw.

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I find it more than just a little ironic (and self interested) that:
medical practitioners campaign for increased restriction on private gun ownership to reduce possible suicide,
while simultaneously campaigning for (medical practitioner or) ‘Doctor assisted suicide’.

I also detect more than a little ‘self interest’ in their demands for ‘red flag’ laws and mental assessments of (and paid by) firearm owners.

I have read much of Solzhenitsyn, and am old enough to remember the common use of ‘mental asylums’ to imprison Soviet dissidents, (with guns, bars, ‘Doctors’ and drugs).

http://www.alt-market.com/index.php/...-of-oppression

As a perceptive and eloquent AO poster cautioned, “don’t trip on the way to the Gulag".

Good Luck, YMMV.
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I probably would not be very rational about firearms either if I was shot four times during a mass shooting, either.
If she was injured by a drunk driver would she want cars banned?
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Old 09-17-2019, 09:09 AM
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With most of the parties threatening a ban of some sort the anti groups and media are ramping up their game.

The suicide rate in Canada is 10.3 per 100K and Japan is 13.9 if access to guns causes suicide shouldn't ours be higher than theirs. I think if somebody makes the decision they will take the easiest route.

The "Active shooter" headline in Calgary last night is an example of how the media exemplify's a firearm situation. Just a gang banger shooting another nothing to see here folks.

The latest rumor is the Lib's are planning to ban all semi-auto's everything from rim-fire up or it could be the pro-gun ramping up their game.
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More nonsense from the anti firearms lobby in Quebec. There is no way that people like this , will ever listen to reason, but unfortunately, the government does want their votes.

IF I was active on Twatter, I'd respond with something like: "Nice snippet - nice to choose your single line of text from a full page, totally forgoing the full story"

But alas, I'm not on any social media crap so I can't fight back.

Anyone who is should respond though - just an idea.

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Old 09-17-2019, 12:45 PM
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... it could be the pro-gun ramping up their game.
With this type of development, I would strongly suggest we ramp it up as high as possible!!

https://thegunblog.ca/2019/09/17/lib...air-tells-cbc/

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Old 09-17-2019, 01:45 PM
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Imagine going to a central lockup to sign out your .22 or shotgun for a day of gopher or upland game hunting.

No mention of stiffer laws for gangsters from the Lib's
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Imagine going to a central lockup to sign out your .22 or shotgun for a day of gopher or upland game hunting.

No mention of stiffer laws for gangsters from the Lib's
And having to pay for that central lockup..... With no control over the cost?

Soon, you may have to pay exorbitant fees to have that central lockup. Much like the UK, only the "royals" will be allowed to hunt.

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Old 09-17-2019, 03:00 PM
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The suicide rate in Canada is 10.3 per 100K and Japan is 13.9 if access to guns causes suicide shouldn't ours be higher than theirs. I think if somebody makes the decision they will take the easiest route.
Not tryin to get off-topic, but I knew someone a few years ago who did himself in.
He went to a overpass by Airdrie, swallowed a whole bottle of sleeping pills, then waited till a lotta traffic was coming his way on QE2, then jumped off into the driving lanes. I don't know if he was creamed by a semi or a car but he must have died quick. He didn't need no gun!!

So I think these doctors who believe "easy-access to guns" increases the suicide rate are full of shxxxxx!

BTW, nobody has any right to decide whether or not someone else has "had enough" and just can't handle any more.

I'll try and stop a suicide by trying to talk to him/her out of it, but in the long run I wasn't there to see what made the person decide that "enough is enough" and didn't feel the pain myself. If they decide to actually do it........I just can't be there 24/7.


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The truth is that suicide rates would plummet if the government quit ****ing around and worked towards prosperity and a healthy population. Instead, the government's own agenda is to play infantile games and to milk the machine we call Canadian society. Governments, federal and provincial, knowingly create suicides.

A good example is the Alberta government of the day brought in casinos knowing that a certain percentage of suicides is the price to pay for milking Albertans. And the federal government will give millions of Canadian's money to foreign countries but our indigenous people struggle with water, housing and infrastructure that causes suicide my children.


And the government knowingly tax some Canadians to the point of poverty. Canadians are buying imported foods and products, driving foreign cars and somehow chasing the american/foreign dream. This kind of madness will only increase suicides by all means as populations grow.

Commiting suicide because of the impending doom of terminal illness is somehow understandable. A government causing suicides is not imaginable... and yet it is our reality.
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Truth Tracker: A look at Trudeau's claim that Conservatives are 'in the pocket of the gun lobby'

Faced with questions about a rash of gun violence in some Canadian cities -- most notably in the Toronto area -- Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau said his party has a plan to "strengthen gun control" and accused the Conservatives of being “in the pocket of the gun lobby.”

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Yes, it took the Liberals their full mandate to pass their lone gun control measure. What it did was create paperwork for law-abiding gun owners, while failing to deal with the real problem of gangsters with illegal guns.

https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...n-gun-violence
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