AGPAC Recommendations

[SLH]

Anyone know all the members of AGPAC and how they voted on these 8 resolutions:

1. That AGPAC recommend to AEP that Antlered Mule Deer no longer be included as an eligible animal for Landowner Special License.

2. That AGPAC recommend to AEP that Non-Resident Canadians no longer be eligible to apply for Special License Draws.

3. That AGPAC recommend to AEP that new partnership licenses be created for Non-Resident Canadians for Antlered Mule Deer, Antlered Elk and Trophy Antelope.

4. That AGPAC recommend to AEP that dedicated archery Special License Draws be created when archery harvest in a Wildlife Management Unit (WMU) exceeds 15% of allowable harvest in that WMU.

5. That AGPAC recommend to AEP that big game be allocated as a proportion of hunting opportunity (Outfitter Guide Allocations held and Special License Quotas available) instead of harvest, for those animal classes and WMU’s on Special License Draw. For animal classes and WMU’s under general license seasons, allocation will continue to be calculated as a proportion of harvest.

6. That AGPAC recommend to AEP that the proportion of big game hunting opportunity allocated to the outfitted hunting industry be standardized across Alberta’s WMU’s as follows: Antlered Moose, Antlered Mule Deer, Antlered Elk, Antlered Whitetail Deer and Trophy Antelope – 10%. Trophy Bighorn – 20%. Cougar – 20%. Black Bear – no restriction.

7. That AGPAC recommend to AEP that the spatial scale at which hunting opportunity is managed be standardized as the WMU for both recreational and outfitted hunters.

8. That AGPAC recommend to AEP that once an approved policy is in place, that it be implemented in a phased approach to minimize disruption to affected business operations within the outfitted hunting industry.

[North of Owlseye]

This is a lot to process and is couched in difficult language. What does the 'spatial' thing mean?
Looks like residents are in for another royal screwin' .

[albertadave]

Yep

[SLH]

Originally Posted by albertadave

Yep

Is it a secret?

[FCLightning]

Originally Posted by North of Owlseye

This is a lot to process and is couched in difficult language. What does the 'spatial' thing mean?
Looks like residents are in for another royal screwin' .

Allocations limited to the 10% rule were calculated on Management areas (not sure of the proper name for them) that encompassed many WMU's in some cases. This "averaging" allowed for the outfitters to hold a disproportionate # of tags in a desirable WMU by averaging out the number against another WMU in the management area. The "spatial" thing means that the allocations will be looked at by WMU rather than the larger area.

[mk63]

Originally Posted by North of Owlseye

This is a lot to process and is couched in difficult language. What does the 'spatial' thing mean?
Looks like residents are in for another royal screwin' .

Please elaborate, good chance i'm missing something but I don't see cause for outrage. With that being said I'd probably be ****ed if I was an landowner.

[FCLightning]

Originally Posted by mk63

Please elaborate, good chance i'm missing something but I don't see cause for outrage. With that being said I'd probably be ****ed if I was an landowner.

Well for one it screws over the Landowners and Non-resident Canadians and favors the Non-Resident hunter. Residents in a few WMU's that were hard hit by the outfitting industry will see some relief, but the net effect is that a far greater proportion of our game harvest will be going out of the country to those with the ability to pay because of the allocation on basis of opportunity rather than harvest - the harvest goals will remain unchanged but given the greater success rates of the professional hunters over the general populace the allowable harvest for the resident hunter will decrease overall while the outfitting industry harvest will increase.

[boah]

Originally Posted by FCLightning

Well for one it screws over the Landowners and Non-resident Canadians and favors the Non-Resident hunter. Residents in a few WMU's that were hard hit by the outfitting industry will see some relief, but the net effect is that a far greater proportion of our game harvest will be going out of the country to those with the ability to pay because of the allocation on basis of opportunity rather than harvest - the harvest goals will remain unchanged but given the greater success rates of the professional hunters over the general populace the allowable harvest for the resident hunter will decrease overall while the outfitting industry harvest will increase.

How does it screw your bet the landowner?

[boah]

Originally Posted by boah

How does it screw your bet the landowner?

I meant how does it screw the landowner?

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by mk63

Please elaborate, good chance i'm missing something but I don't see cause for outrage. With that being said I'd probably be ****ed if I was an landowner.

Can't you just see the landowners welcoming all the new antlered mule hunters onto their land after many of them helped to make sure the land owner could not hunt them himself..........few more townships of access.....denied

[270WIN]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Can't you just see the landowners welcoming all the new antlered mule hunters onto their land after many of them helped to make sure the land owner could not hunt them himself..........few more townships of access.....denied

I don't think any of this is written in stone yet by any means. It's not too late to make your views known.

[boah]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Can't you just see the landowners welcoming all the new antlered mule hunters onto their land after many of them helped to make sure the land owner could not hunt them himself..........few more townships of access.....denied

Probably the same amount of access denied already because the landowner has a tag himself.

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by boah

Probably the same amount of access denied already because the landowner has a tag himself.

Have you ever hunted private land or even hunted before? The Landowner tags needed to have sort of limitations put on them but to completely eliminate all Antlered Mule tags for Landowners is a very bad call.

Many many landowners in this area allowed access to their land despite having tags, lots don't even hunt but if this proposal goes through it could be one of the biggest blows to hunter/landowner relations in a very long time. Not just for Mule deer but for all kinds of game and varmint hunting.

[RayM77]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Can't you just see the landowners welcoming all the new antlered mule hunters onto their land after many of them helped to make sure the land owner could not hunt them himself..........few more townships of access.....denied

Do you think they were welcoming when they had a tag? Yes by all means come on my land and shoot the muledeer i am hunting. I am a landowner and feel it is time for the land owner mule deer tag to be done.

[mk63]

Originally Posted by RayM77

Do you think they were welcoming when they had a tag? Yes by all means come on my land and shoot the muledeer i am hunting. I am a landowner and feel it is time for the land owner mule deer tag to be done.

Completely agree with this statement. In my experience, Landowners that are also serious hunters, do not allow access, especially if you have an antlered tag.

[270WIN]

Originally Posted by mk63

Please elaborate, good chance i'm missing something but I don't see cause for outrage. With that being said I'd probably be ****ed if I was an landowner.

Bobalong's post no. 8 above explains it perfectly.

[FCLightning]

Originally Posted by SLH

5. That AGPAC recommend to AEP that big game be allocated as a proportion of hunting opportunity (Outfitter Guide Allocations held and Special License Quotas available) instead of harvest, for those animal classes and WMU’s on Special License Draw. For animal classes and WMU’s under general license seasons, allocation will continue to be calculated as a proportion of harvest.

So the outfitting industry will now be assured of 10% of all the draw tags in every WMU. I wonder what process they will use to sell off all the new tag allotments.

[boah]

Originally Posted by FCLightning

So the outfitting industry will now be assured of 10% of all the draw tags in every WMU. I wonder what process they will use to sell off all the new tag allotments.

Maybe I don’t understand this. As it was, outfitters were given 10% of the tags for a “ land use zone” for lack of a better term. This meant that they could get tags for preferred wmu’s in that zone at more than 10%. Then take zero in less preferred wmu’s. I can’t see the bad in this change.

[boah]

The bad I see in these proposals is the 20 % allotment for some species. Should be 10% maximum and zero for any tags requiring residents to have more than 3 priority to draw.

[snareman]

A landowner tag already comes with the requirement that the landowner allow access to other hunters.


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[boah]

Originally Posted by snareman

A landowner tag already comes with the requirement that the landowner allow access to other hunters.


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How’s that working??

[boah]

Originally Posted by snareman

A landowner tag already comes with the requirement that the landowner allow access to other hunters.


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Just want to add. This is false.