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02-05-2018, 10:25 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: On the border in Lloydminster
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Have you ever had a hangfire?
Inspired by the Stanley trial I am curious how often a hangfire occurs.
I have fired thousands of rounds of surplus ammo of various calibers the only problem I've had were some 303 British ball I bought in a sealed spam can, about 1 in 15 would go click a few seconds later discharge.
Has anybody else had a hangfire experience? how about with a 7.62 X 25 round.
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02-05-2018, 10:35 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Fort Mc Murray/ Bell Block New Zealand.
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ive had a few, with 303, and .22 long rifle,
And had two in a row, with the .222 Remington, pretty sure this was from damp ammo, as had been walking up a major river, dozens of crossings, for several hours, chest, waist, deep river crossings, and ammo was getting wet in pockets,
Haven't had one, in over 20 years, don't hear about it much anymore, When I took my firearms licence , they taught wait 30 seconds before opening action, so must, have been common enough years ago. likely old, poorly stored ammo from the war.
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02-05-2018, 10:35 AM
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: Calgary
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I've been a target shooter and hunter for close to 40 years now, and I've never experienced a hangfire. That's using what most people would call "modern" factory ammo, or my own handloads. I've had plenty of duds over the years, almost all rimfire, but none of been a "hangfire" situation. I've shot very little surplus ammo, and none that hasn't been reasonably stored.
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02-05-2018, 10:47 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2008
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I am not a high volume shooter, maybe a couple thousand rounds a year including .22. I have never experienced one. A few dudes with the .22, but never a hang fire.
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02-05-2018, 10:48 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2016
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I have only ever seen one hang fire. It was with a 10/22 and stingers. My brother was shooting, didn't wait the recommended 30 seconds and went to eject it, resulting in an out of battery detonation. He's really lucky it was just a 22lr and he had is eyes and ears on. After further inspection this was due to an improperly head spaced bolt and was replaced under warranty.
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02-05-2018, 11:08 AM
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Join Date: May 2010
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We had a couple while shooting skeet... learned to wait a minute before ejecting. Had a buddy who is a bit of an idiot... he was firing shells with his wife and a few bystanders around, that were rolling around his quad all summer. As I walked up, I noticed 1 in 5 weren't firing, and he was just ejecting them on the ground. I explained what could happen and he carried on as he was doing. I grabbed everyone else and we left the area. He continued and luckily didn't have an issue, but I don't shoot with him anymore... things could have gone sideways really fast and we were 1.5 hours drive to the nearest hospital with no cell service. To top it off, he came back to the campsite when he was done and called me an idiot because nothing happened.
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02-05-2018, 11:09 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Parkland County
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I've had a few. Mostly rifle cartridges. Although I've had one in 9mm for a pistol.
Followed good safety rules and no issues.
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02-05-2018, 11:10 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Camrose
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I have only had one hangfire, and it was with my 20 gauge while hunting pheasants this fall .I was using a new gun for the first time at around -18, I swung on a bird and I heard a click, and after a slight delay , the gun fired. The dent in the primer was much more shallow than normal, so I took the stock off when I got home, and the firing pins were soaked in oil. I cleaned out the action, and sparingly lubed it with synthetic oil, and no issues since. The gun had sinply had too much oil that became thick in tbe cold, causing the firing pin to strike with much less force than normal, causing a delay in the primer igniting.
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02-05-2018, 11:17 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Near Edmonton
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Hang fires were not all that uncommon years ago. Corditte powder was notorious for hang fires and the reason you see it fairly often on old 303 Military loads. You can also get them with modern powder using primers that are too weak for the load. For example a rifle primer in a 95 to 120 grain powder load in a 7 RUM or 460 Weatherby. They will often cause click booms or full on hang fires where you get a click and it fires 10-15 seconds later. Found this out trying less aggressive primers to see if groups improved. It is also why Federal developed the 215 Mag primer.
You can also get them from getting contamination or wet on a primer. Wetting a primer does not kill it but could easily cause it to be much weaker, resulting in a hang fire.
Ball powder requires much hotter primers, so large loads of ball powder with say a Rem large rifle primer will easily hang fire. That is why ball powder loads call for magnum primers.
If you follow the recipes religiously, or use properly stored modern ammo hang fires are rare. That said, they are VERY dangerous because most people do not keep the barrel pointed in the right direction or open the action too soon to see what happened.
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02-05-2018, 11:32 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2011
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I had about 10 all in the same day with some reloads I made. It started with a few very quick ones where I could barely notice something wrong because the hangfire was so fast that I said to my friend it seemed like I was getting a small delay, it was so fast that I would pull the trigger and hear and hear and immediate click boom. Finally the first big one came and I said to my buddy I knew something wasn’t right I just kept the rifle in a safe direction for about 45 seconds and the round went off. Very scary . If I knew how to post videos here it’s all recorded on video.
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02-05-2018, 11:37 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2017
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Informative thread thanks guys.
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