BC not allowing pipeline through?

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by wags

I'm aware of quite a bit. are you aware of what she said today? are you aware of the action she is trying to take?

are you going to post all the things she has said in support of pipelines and how oil is the heartbeat of this province? or you just going to pluck out the crap you don't like and run with it?

I'm not a Notley fan, however, to say she's not doing anything about this is just you being sour because you don't have your precious cons in power.

i don't expect her to win the next election regardless (would still be a better choice than Kenney), and don't think for one second what she is saying and doing today has anything to do with re-election.

Letter to Notley

WE DON’T BELIEVE!
Re: B.C. Anti-Pipeline Fight. (Premier Rachel) Notley, please stop acting like you are pro-pipeline and pro-oil industry. It is very dishonest and disingenuous to voters as you well know. The impression we all have is akin to a well done presentation of a high school drama play. Either a good cop and bad cop routine or a sarcastic political farce in which somehow you try to trick the audience into thinking you are not secretly on the same anti-pipeline side as B.C. We all see it. You are the exact same political party, governed in Ottawa by federal NDPists. If you were really serious, you would take off your torture thumbscrews called the carbon tax and increasing electricity rates. You would fire all the federal NDP dictators you have working for you. You would can all the anti-pipeline advocates on your payroll. You would denounce your federal masters’ anti-pipeline manifesto and break free to create a made-in-Alberta socialist party that knows we are all Albertans in an energy rich province. You would block all B.C. exports through Alberta and add surcharges to B.C. residents wanting to hunt and fish in Alberta. Really trying to build pipelines would help reap billions of lost revenue and strengthen our economy. Stop pretending B.C. is not your excuse for lack of pipelines. The more you cry foul, the more we hear you laughing on the B.C. conference calls. Laughing NDP make honest Albertans angry and voters will not forget.

[Ishpah]

It's not that I support the current BC government and their decisions. After all, it is an alliance between the radical tree-hugging green party and the ndp.
Just look at the record. Stop Site C, stop the TMP, stop the grizzly bear hunt.
We don't have a black bear hunting ban, yet, but blacks are showing up more and more in the LML urban area. Of course the greenies whine when one shows up, some more than others, and they want them all re-located. Why did they did downtown anyway? Because there are too many in the hinterland, so the young gravitate to the city. Just wait until those extra fearless grizzlies start showing up. It will be a whole lot different than those blacks trying to force their way into the kitchen and when it happens, I sure do hope it's at a tree huggers home.
Now, back on track. I get a chuckle with that previous poster that suggests blocking BC traffic from entering Alberta. You live in a vacuum boy? Think about it. There are more pink and white plates floating around BC, even now, than there are blue and white plates floating around in Alberta at the best of times. Set up a road block to block us and we will be happy to indulge you. And it will be a greater benefit for us. Our recreational areas will be devoid of pink and white which means more space for us and our neighbors to the south; and there will be a dramatic decrease in the amount of garbage left for us to clean up.
Now as far as a pipeline is concerned, it will go through. We just have to placate, mollify, appease, conciliate, blah, blah, blah......... Remember, BC lacks the treaties with FN unlike the rest of Canada, so it comes down to "show me the money" to get them on board. Once the FN stop clamoring for their piece of the action, the greenies are going to topple like trees in the forest. It will just take some time. Of course, Ms. Knotedknickers is going to have to "pave" the way with a amount calculated just like you were pumping gas at a gas station.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Ishpah

It's not that I support the current BC government and their decisions. After all, it is an alliance between the radical tree-hugging green party and the ndp.
Just look at the record. Stop Site C, stop the TMP, stop the grizzly bear hunt.
We don't have a black bear hunting ban, yet, but blacks are showing up more and more in the LML urban area. Of course the greenies whine when one shows up, some more than others, and they want them all re-located. Why did they did downtown anyway? Because there are too many in the hinterland, so the young gravitate to the city. Just wait until those extra fearless grizzlies start showing up. It will be a whole lot different than those blacks trying to force their way into the kitchen and when it happens, I sure do hope it's at a tree huggers home.
Now, back on track. I get a chuckle with that previous poster that suggests blocking BC traffic from entering Alberta. You live in a vacuum boy? Think about it. There are more pink and white plates floating around BC, even now, than there are blue and white plates floating around in Alberta at the best of times. Set up a road block to block us and we will be happy to indulge you. And it will be a greater benefit for us. Our recreational areas will be devoid of pink and white which means more space for us and our neighbors to the south; and there will be a dramatic decrease in the amount of garbage left for us to clean up.
Now as far as a pipeline is concerned, it will go through. We just have to placate, mollify, appease, conciliate, blah, blah, blah......... Remember, BC lacks the treaties with FN unlike the rest of Canada, so it comes down to "show me the money" to get them on board. Once the FN stop clamoring for their piece of the action, the greenies are going to topple like trees in the forest. It will just take some time. Of course, Ms. Knotedknickers is going to have to "pave" the way with a amount calculated just like you were pumping gas at a gas station.

Who you calling boy?

[Ishpah]

Must've been Slough Shark, heheeheh.
But on the other-hand, if you wrote the same stuff, I guess it would apply to you too.
"Otherwise yes...we block all rail and road shipments of all goods traveling through Alberta. If Rachel was serious...that would be on the table."
You must think that you would hurt out economy with this type of action. Realize that rail traffic is under federal jurisdiction, not provincial. So blocking that will definitely get you jail time unless you have a status card.
Realize that Bakken field oil is transported through BC too, by rail. Wait, you don't know what Bakken field oil is? It's that other oil, coming from Saskatchewan, Manitoba and North Dakota.
The idea is being floated here in BC to issue pay to use permits for non-residential camping in areas other than National and Provincial Parks. In other words, those Forest Service Recreational areas. You buy a permit, you get to camp and have to remove any garbage with you on departure. Failure to do so, apply for a permit again, price doubles. Registration is mandatory. Can't hold the spot for your buddies. I think the Greens will wholeheartedly endorse the plan.

[does it ALL outdoors]

Originally Posted by MyAlberta

Why can’t Albertans develop their resource and stop imposing themselves on others? They wanted it, they got it, now they cry.

So BC is 100% Petroleum free?

That is quite impressive since petroleum bi products are in hundreds of things the rest of us use on a daily basis without even knowing it, I would bet the farm most of them use the same products but they probably think petroleum is just oil and gasoline

And any federal grants they receive from royalties should also be returned, since Oil is so bad, but we all know that's not going to happen since they are just a bunch of hipocrites. Not all of em, just the ones trying to block this

[does it ALL outdoors]

Originally Posted by Ishpah

Our recreational areas will be devoid of pink and white which means more space for us and our neighbors to the south; and there will be a dramatic decrease in the amount of garbage left for us to clean up.

Pemberton Music Festival.


https://i.cbc.ca/1.3162598.150103753...al-garbage.jpg

Must of been all Albertans huh?

[dgl1948]

Does BC not ship natural gas through Alberta in a pipeline??

[slough shark]

Originally Posted by Ishpah

Must've been Slough Shark, heheeheh.
But on the other-hand, if you wrote the same stuff, I guess it would apply to you too.
"Otherwise yes...we block all rail and road shipments of all goods traveling through Alberta. If Rachel was serious...that would be on the table."
You must think that you would hurt out economy with this type of action. Realize that rail traffic is under federal jurisdiction, not provincial. So blocking that will definitely get you jail time unless you have a status card.
Realize that Bakken field oil is transported through BC too, by rail. Wait, you don't know what Bakken field oil is? It's that other oil, coming from Saskatchewan, Manitoba and North Dakota.
The idea is being floated here in BC to issue pay to use permits for non-residential camping in areas other than National and Provincial Parks. In other words, those Forest Service Recreational areas. You buy a permit, you get to camp and have to remove any garbage with you on departure. Failure to do so, apply for a permit again, price doubles. Registration is mandatory. Can't hold the spot for your buddies. I think the Greens will wholeheartedly endorse the plan.

I assure you it wasn’t me saying that stuff although I do agree. So yeah rail traffic is under federal jurisdiction? You mean EXACTLY like pipelines 🤔 BC makes up rules so can Alberta

[Ishpah]

Originally Posted by does it ALL outdoors

Pemberton Music Festival.


https://i.cbc.ca/1.3162598.150103753...al-garbage.jpg

Must of been all Albertans huh?

You got it! Only BCers there were locals.

[Fisherpeak]

I and all my friends never voted for NDP, it was the lower Wasteland a-holes, they make up half the pop. of B.C. It will get fixed though. Next election or 8 magnitude earthquake, whichever comes first.

N.D.P = No Damn Progress

[Kim473]

I bet if the Alberta gov were to offer BC a 10% or 20% royalty , the pipeline would be 1/2 complete by now.

It has started, restaurants not serving BC wine, whats next ? tourism dropping ? Tariffs on BC lumber ?

Endless number of things that could hurt the BC economy !

JT might be on board now, or maybe just trying to please Alberta with talk.

[Positrac]

Trudeau gets verbally beat-up by the same people who voted him in while in Nanaimo at his cross-country town-hall meetings yesterday. Kind of ironic. Love him when he gives in to their every whim, but the first time he looks to do what is right for the country as a whole and he gets lambasted.

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-n...aimo-town-hall

NANAIMO — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau spoke over jeers Friday at a rowdy town hall meeting in Nanaimo as he defended his government’s decision to support the expansion of the Trans Mountain pipeline through B.C.

Trudeau said the pipeline is a key component of the federal government’s approach to cutting greenhouse gas emissions, which means Ottawa had to get a national agreement on carbon pricing that will allow Canada to meet its international commitments on climate change.

“But in order to do that, part of moving forward is approving the Kinder Morgan pipeline, which will be able to get our resources responsibly and safely to new markets across the Pacific,” he said, adding the government’s ocean protection plan will better protect the coastline from oil spills at the same time.

“It is in the national interest to move forward with the Kinder Morgan pipeline, and we will be moving forward with the Kinder Morgan pipeline.”

The town hall was often raucous.

The prime minister faced a mix of cheers and boos on his arrival. When he spoke about the pipeline, he was repeatedly interrupted, causing him to show his frustration at one point by exclaiming: “Come on! Come on! Really?” “If you can’t respect the people in this room, you need to leave,” he said before asking the police to remove those who were disrupting the event.

Police physically removed a man and a woman as someone else shouted: “Shame on you Trudeau.”

Trudeau spoke to an overflow crowd in the gymnasium at Vancouver Island University, while dozens of protesters carried anti-pipeline placards outside.

The final town hall of his cross-country tour started almost an hour late because of travel delays caused by weather, officials said. So many people wanted to attend the event that organizers were shifting seating in the gym at the last minute to make room.

B.C. announced proposals earlier this week that would ban increased shipments of diluted bitumen off its coast until it can determine that shippers are prepared and able to properly clean up a spill.

Alberta Premier Rachel Notley has called that an unconstitutional attempt to get around federal approval of the Kinder Morgan project, which would triple the capacity of the pipeline and increase the number of tankers in Georgia Strait from five to 34 per month.

Notley promised to suspend electricity talks with the province in its first step to fight against the B.C. government’s proposal. Up to $500 million annually for B.C.’s coffers hangs in the balance, Notley said.

B.C. Premier John Horgan said his government consulted Alberta and Ottawa about his province’s intentions, which includes appointing a scientific advisory panel to study the issue.

Horgan said Friday that his government is trying to protect the province, not be provocative, when it comes to a proposed ban on increasing the amount of diluted bitumen that can be shipped from the West Coast.

He said his government’s announcement that it would consult on new regulations should not set off a “trade war between good friends.”

Horgan said his government has been clear about its belief that the Trans Mountain pipeline is not in the best interest of the province and continues to fight the project in Federal Court.

He said the province has obtained legal advice about the new proposals and the government is well within its rights to consult with citizens.

[Sundancefisher]

Trade war is on like Donkey Kong.

[Positrac]

Asti, one of Fort McMurray’s finest restaurants has fired one of the first shots in the BC - Alberta battle over the Trans Mountain Pipeline. Asti is boycotting BC wine and has pulled all it’s BC imported wine two days ago in response to BC’s proposal to restrict bitumen shipments from Alberta.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...wine-1.4515947

I’m not a big politics guy. Not that politics doesn’t effect me, I just prefer not to get too stressed about it so I go about my merry way and pretty much just keep my head buried in the sand. But, if a pipeline isn’t built Alberta oil will become further landlocked as production ramps up and the whole country is going to be affected. We already see a huge difference between Brent and WTI prices.

So, I’ll support Asti’s decision to boycott BC wine. I made reservations there for six Last night and we had a fabulous dinner.

As for the three week vacation we have planned this summer, driving down and spending a week in Vernon then on to the Island for the remainder, we may just cancel and fly family up here instead. Lots to do in Alberta. Always wanted to spend some time from Jasper on down through to Banff. Might as well spend my hard-earned money where it is appreciated. From what I here all the time, most people in the Interior would be happy with a few less license plates come summer. Well, probably not those that depend on them each summer for a living, but who worries about them, right?

[sealevel]

bc has always been in the worlds spot light with environmentalists . some of the worst leaf lickers i have run across come to bc from alberta and onterio .

[dmcbride]

Canada has been played like fiddle.


http://business.financialpost.com/op...-oil-pipelines

And the results.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...a-bc-1.4505574