Customs BANS "Centrifugal Knives"

[IronNoggin]

The Canadian International Trade Tribunal has decided that all "centrifugal opening knives" are now classified as Prohibited Weapons in Canada.

This was not in response to a perceived problem. It is however a fine example of bureaucratic meddling:

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publicati...18-01-eng.html

Shortly after that announcement, I ordered several more from Canadian sources.

I have carried an SOG Twitch XL for as long as I can remember.
And I ain't about to quit. Period.

Cheers,
Nog

[3blade]

How is it that we have unelected pencil pushers making law?

Kanuckistan. That's why.

They are going to have one hell of a time enforcing this as pretty well every folding knife can be opened in such a manner. I predict a very expensive Supreme Court challenge for whatever poor soul is the royal gestapos next victim of overreach.

[CF8889]

Am I undetstanding this correct...any folding knife that can be opened by flicking your wrist or using a little knob on the side/back is prohibited?

So the little kershaw assisted open pocket knife my girlfriend uses when camping is now illegal? Jesus...

[ETOWNCANUCK]

So big ass Rambo type knives are ok,
But most pocket knives are not?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AdZsF45yy9E

[tirebob]

Such bullcrap... A knife is a knife is a knife. This is really getting ridiculous!!

[dmcbride]

My 7 year old is now a criminal.

[averagejoe]

Be aware that is only affects customs/border and not actual Canadian law. Customs has been pushing their authority for a long time now.

They have another "Tribunal" decision that lets them adjust pivot screws so they can loosen them to make a legal knife into a "prohibited" one.

This decision allows them to open any folding knife however much they want, even to 99% and then try to flick it open. Even a Swiss Army knife would fail under those conditions.

I have emphasized a bit of the link, the "CBSA resolves that" so it is not actual Canadian law, just over reach by the CBSA.

2. In accordance with subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code and the CITT’s recent decision in T. LaPlante, the CBSA resolves that centrifugal knives will be classified as prohibited weapons if the following conditions are met:

a knife has a blade that opens by centrifugal force, when the blade is released from the handle into the fully ejected and locked position with a simple and brisk outwardly flick of the wrist; and
it includes knives that require some preliminary or simultaneous minimal manipulation of either a flipper or other non-edged parts of the blade.

[sillyak]

Prohibited from import or prohibited weapon? I only saw import prohibition in that link.

[parfleche]

Makes you wonder if some individuals don,t wake up some days and say Hey! Lets ban something !
The fact that a person can open a knife by flicking it outward or pull it out of a sheath makes no difference EXCEPT if you have watched too many gangster movies ! You can only be so dead or so sliced regardless of how the knife was used! Probably because it brings mafia connotations into the picture!

[Twisted Canuck]

It's bureaucratic power grasping. I ordered a knife from the USA a few years back, to save some money, and CBA grabbed it. I appealed and sent them a document with links showing that no fewer than 12 retailers sold the same knife in AB, from Cabelas, Basspro, Wholesale, to Canadian Tire. They said that it doesn't matter, a determination had been made that it was 'mechanical assisted' and therefore prohib. It was a kershaw blur, they still sell them here, and I have a couple, but CBA cost me $75 on that one, plus a bunch of my (wasted) time fighting with them.

[Hillbilly 12]

To bad they wouldn't ban terrorists, murders, drug dealers, rapists, thieves, child sex offenders, welfare bums, druggies, and the rest or the losers from our country, and what a country it would be.

But people keep telling me we are moving it the right direction, unreal what next.

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

It's bureaucratic power grasping. I ordered a knife from the USA a few years back, to save some money, and CBA grabbed it. I appealed and sent them a document with links showing that no fewer than 12 retailers sold the same knife in AB, from Cabelas, Basspro, Wholesale, to Canadian Tire. They said that it doesn't matter, a determination had been made that it was 'mechanical assisted' and therefore prohib. It was a kershaw blur, they still sell them here, and I have a couple, but CBA cost me $75 on that one, plus a bunch of my (wasted) time fighting with them.

My wife had a very nice Spyderco that someone in the airport system helped themselves to on the way back from Hawaii a couple years ago. We didn't get any note though.

[hilt134]

Well there goes the knife market in canada? I mean most stores are entirely of this design. And I think they are all made outside of here. Sometimes I really hate this country also this is essentialy a law being passed it's just as easier way to do it. I mean if you cant ship them and nobody's going to open a factory you have pretty well made them illegal think of how fast the gun industry would shrink if they played it like this

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by hilt134

Well there goes the knife market in canada? I mean most stores are entirely of this design. And I think they are all made outside of here. Sometimes I really hate this country also this is essentialy a law being passed it's just as easier way to do it. I mean if you cant ship them and nobody's going to open a factory you have pretty well made them illegal think of how fast the gun industry would shrink if they played it like this

Don’t give them ideas.

But thanks to ALL previous governments there still is no law preventing individual government agencies from arbitrarily making “laws”.

[artie]

From what I understand these knives are almost like switch blade knives. Give the knife some force and the blade flies open or pops out of the handle. What do we need this type of knife for? With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives it is probably a good thing to get them off the street. The average hunter gutting an animal does not need one.

[purgatory.sv]

I see your concern,but i have not seen any statistical study that indicates these types of tools are used for crime.

[ranchhand]

Originally Posted by artie

From what I understand these knives are almost like switch blade knives. Give the knife some force and the blade flies open or pops out of the handle. What do we need this type of knife for? With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives it is probably a good thing to get them off the street. The average hunter gutting an animal does not need one.

[flyguyd]

Originally Posted by artie

From what I understand these knives are almost like switch blade knives. Give the knife some force and the blade flies open or pops out of the handle. What do we need this type of knife for? With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives it is probably a good thing to get them off the street. The average hunter gutting an animal does not need one.

They are nothing like switchblades

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by ranchhand

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[surhuntsalot]

Originally Posted by artie

From what I understand these knives are almost like switch blade knives. Give the knife some force and the blade flies open or pops out of the handle. What do we need this type of knife for? With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives it is probably a good thing to get them off the street. The average hunter gutting an animal does not need one.

And you sir posses the exact logic that will continue to erode all freedom over time... the “Why do you need” mentality ... Can you explain how a knife opening changes it’s function? I’d dare to guess that most stabbings have occurred using fixed blade kitchen knives. I wouldn’t be surprised if you also think “Why does one need a semi automatic when he can use a single shot, and get rid of compound bows because ...”.
Just sad...

[averagejoe]

Originally Posted by artie

From what I understand these knives are almost like switch blade knives. Give the knife some force and the blade flies open or pops out of the handle. What do we need this type of knife for? With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives it is probably a good thing to get them off the street. The average hunter gutting an animal does not need one.

Incorrect. This makes ANY folding knife potentially "prohibited". Swiss Army knives, Buck Knives, that 100 year old slip joint Case knife that has been passed down in the family, that Leatherman or other multi-tool, all "prohibited". This decision by the CBSA allows them to open the blade as much as they want before flicking it open.

So they open the blade 99% and give it a flick which causes it to move that final hair and lock open. Yup, that is now a "prohibited centrifugal knife".

[Taco]

Ah hell, why get your knickers in a knot? Find a workaround. Customs banned Power Mite Hot Shots a few yrs back, looked too much like a handheld taser. One thing I found out.. there's only about 2 dozen workarounds with online purchasing. Crappy hot shot anyway, there better options.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by artie

From what I understand these knives are almost like switch blade knives. Give the knife some force and the blade flies open or pops out of the handle. What do we need this type of knife for? With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives it is probably a good thing to get them off the street. The average hunter gutting an animal does not need one.

The stupidity of this post makes me believe you were being sarcastic.

[bobtodrick]

Originally Posted by artie

From what I understand these knives are almost like switch blade knives. Give the knife some force and the blade flies open or pops out of the handle. What do we need this type of knife for? With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives it is probably a good thing to get them off the street. The average hunter gutting an animal does not need one.

Are you serious???
If you are then I guess you must be against handguns because we can't hunt with them.
Or performance automobiles because you can't legally go faster than 110km/h anywhere in Alberta.

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by artie

From what I understand these knives are almost like switch blade knives. Give the knife some force and the blade flies open or pops out of the handle. What do we need this type of knife for? With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives it is probably a good thing to get them off the street. The average hunter gutting an animal does not need one.

I won't trash you for the post, but I will say, what has 'need' got to do with it? We only 'need' vehicles that will go 110 kph, but most will do twice that, some a lot more. Ban them too?

And quite apart from that, I can't tell you how many times I've been working and holding something with one hand, and needed to take my EDC knife out of my pocket, and one handed open it to complete my chore quickly and efficiently. Is that need enough?

I'm really kind of shocked you posted that, honestly, as it's that kind of thinking that will get every firearm except for maybe the Ruger #1 banned too. Foolishness.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by artie

From what I understand these knives are almost like switch blade knives. Give the knife some force and the blade flies open or pops out of the handle. What do we need this type of knife for? With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives it is probably a good thing to get them off the street. The average hunter gutting an animal does not need one.

[north american hunter]

Originally Posted by artie

From what I understand these knives are almost like switch blade knives. Give the knife some force and the blade flies open or pops out of the handle. What do we need this type of knife for? With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives it is probably a good thing to get them off the street. The average hunter gutting an animal does not need one.

Bud, ya obviously dont know what you're talking about. Many many Every Day Carry knives fall under this category that are nothing like a otf or switch blade.

[HVA7mm]

Originally Posted by artie

From what I understand these knives are almost like switch blade knives. Give the knife some force and the blade flies open or pops out of the handle. What do we need this type of knife for? With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives it is probably a good thing to get them off the street. The average hunter gutting an animal does not need one.

I would imagine that many people would disagree with you, especially those who frequently need to work with one hand, have physical limitations with one hand or perhaps even an amputation.

Typical of the feds, especially those currently in power.

As for the "With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives", I'm quite sure that a fixed blade knife would be just as effective (flint and other stones have been used too). Maybe box cutters/utility knives should be next as they can quite easily be opened with one one hand. Oh crap, I shouldn't be giving out any more ludicrous suggestions. Ban everything, make everyone wear plastic bubbles over their hands...............

[Kos]

Originally Posted by artie

From what I understand these knives are almost like switch blade knives. Give the knife some force and the blade flies open or pops out of the handle. What do we need this type of knife for? With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives it is probably a good thing to get them off the street. The average hunter gutting an animal does not need one.

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[north american hunter]

Originally Posted by artie

From what I understand these knives are almost like switch blade knives. Give the knife some force and the blade flies open or pops out of the handle. What do we need this type of knife for? With all the people getting hit or slashed with knives it is probably a good thing to get them off the street. The average hunter gutting an animal does not need one.

Who's to say that people dont use these knives for skinning game?