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Old 09-12-2019, 10:31 AM
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Default Rules re discharge of a shotgun along a roadway

Yesterday I was told by a F&W officer that it was illegal to discharge a shotgun
along a roadway. Regs (page 28 #9b) says I can. This was along the Powderface Trail that runs between HWY 68 and HWY 66 west of Calgary.
Now, I searched both the Wildlife Act and the HWY Safety Act (and probably missed) for the actual legal wording of this rule. I know that I can do it but I would love to have a copy of the legal text.
Can anyone provide me with the legal source?
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Old 09-12-2019, 10:50 AM
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The Wildlife Act is the provincial legislation that regulates this, but you also need to check the county bylaws, as the county can impose restrictions within the county.
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:03 AM
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Yesterday I was told by a F&W officer that it was illegal to discharge a shotgun
along a roadway. Regs (page 28 #9b) says I can. This was along the Powderface Trail that runs between HWY 68 and HWY 66 west of Calgary.
Now, I searched both the Wildlife Act and the HWY Safety Act (and probably missed) for the actual legal wording of this rule. I know that I can do it but I would love to have a copy of the legal text.
Can anyone provide me with the legal source?
Thanks
Roger
Just for the record,a warden told me a couple of days ago,you can walk, and shoot phesants on the road at Hopewell release site.The gentlemans name Dan Visser.403-934-3422.
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:46 AM
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is it a labeled road corridor?
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Old 09-12-2019, 11:47 AM
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Question Actual rule? Or more confusion courtesy of F&W employees?

You have already identified the appropriate section of the 2019 Alberta Hunting Regulations that allows for a shotgun to be discharged from a roadway while hunting game birds.
The F&W officer may have been referencing the No Firearm Discharge within 1km of a trail that has been in force in the McLean Creek area for a few years. I had not heard that this restriction has been extended to other areas of Kananaskis Country. A quick scan of the Alberta Parks website does not support the officers claim, unless specific signage is in place as per the April 16, 2016 Public Advisory:
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Public AdvisoryOperationsOct 23, 2017Firearm Use Restriction -PLUZ© 2017Government of AlbertaPage 1of 1Notice: McLean Creek and Kananaskis Public Land Use Zones Firearm Use Restriction Area
Effective: April 15, 2016
Per section 181 and 182 of the Public Lands Administration Regulation(PLAR), an officer may direct, by placing signs or notices, a person to refrain from doing anything that may be considered dangerous or detrimental to the management of the public land use zone.
The safe discharge of a firearm (per PLAR sec. 188(2))for purposes other than legal licensed hunting upon public land is permitted “outside” the restricted one kilometer zone perimeter polygon.
The restricted firearm use polygon replicates the current existing“No Camping and No Open Fires”polygon. The polygon is applicable to a distance of one kilometer both sides of the road commencing at road center.
The No Open Fires and No Campingpolygon boundary exists unchanged since the establishment of the McLean Creek and Kananaskis Public Land Use Zones (PLUZ) and is available as a standard map layer to Albertans.
In addition to Firearm use Restriction signage, notices will be posted on PLUZ information kiosks and on the Alberta Environment and Parks website. The McLean Creek and Kananaskis PLUZ maps arereadily available online, at information kiosks and from local AEP offices.
Here is the link :
https://www.alberta.ca/assets/docume...Oct23-2017.pdf
The .pdf page includes a link to the .pdf map that shows the firearms discharge restriction on the McLean Creek Trail area.

Good Luck. Let us know what you find out.
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Old 09-12-2019, 02:04 PM
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Can the OP give some more context? Did your conversation with the officer explicitly concern firing the shotgun WHILE hunting game birds? Did he write you a ticket? As for the 1 km 'no shooting' zones out there, the signs they have up specifically state 'except for legally authorized hunting purposes.' And no, there's no wildlife corridor along that road.
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Old 09-12-2019, 02:12 PM
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Powderface Trail that runs between HWY 68 and HWY 66 west of Calgary.

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I've often wondered if I could hunt that road as it's right on the boundary. Did he say you COULD hunt there, just not on the road?
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Old 09-12-2019, 02:16 PM
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I've often wondered if I could hunt that road as it's right on the boundary. Did he say you COULD hunt there, just not on the road?
Which boundary are you referring to?
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Old 09-12-2019, 03:09 PM
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A bit more context.
Actually, he was very friendly and sociable. No ticket or charges. Really just information. I was just starting up the Powderface from HWY 68 and he came behind me and pulled alongside. And we started talking. That was when he informed me about the hunting restriction i.e. no shooting within a mile of the road. And yes, he knew I was looking for grouse and that I had a 20 ga.
Right now I am trying to touch base with someone from Public Lands to clarify the status of the Powderface. I know that it not a restricted road, I just want a legal confirmation of that fact.
I also appreciate the responses.
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Roger
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Old 09-12-2019, 07:18 PM
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A bit more context.
Actually, he was very friendly and sociable. No ticket or charges. Really just information. I was just starting up the Powderface from HWY 68 and he came behind me and pulled alongside. And we started talking. That was when he informed me about the hunting restriction i.e. no shooting within a mile of the road. And yes, he knew I was looking for grouse and that I had a 20 ga.
Right now I am trying to touch base with someone from Public Lands to clarify the status of the Powderface. I know that it not a restricted road, I just want a legal confirmation of that fact.
I also appreciate the responses.
Thanks
Roger
Well if he referred to it as a hunting restriction, he was certainly confused. It's a little disconcerting to know there are f&w guys out there who don't know the rules. I wonder if the same guy is out there charging people and seizing their guns for nothing.
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Old 09-13-2019, 12:19 PM
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Which boundary are you referring to?
Peter Lougheed Provincial Park is 500m to the west from the road.
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Old 09-13-2019, 12:32 PM
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Peter Lougheed Provincial Park is 500m to the west from the road.
Not from powderface trail. Peter Lougheed PP is still quite far west.
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Old 09-13-2019, 01:04 PM
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Default North end of Powderface (near 68) is posted "No Firearms"

Signs were put up a few years ago just before the Homestead public range closed. They were put up to manage the displaced shooters from the public range, to keep them off the open meadows, and away from other land users. There are other areas further south to shoot that are less likely to bother other users, no signs there.

I know there is no camping within 1 km of the road, but never heard of a 1 km no shooting rule. But bear in mind the CO can evict you from Crown land for 72 hours for almost any reason, disturbing other users might be one.
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Old 09-14-2019, 11:31 AM
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Peter Lougheed Provincial Park is 500m to the west from the road.
You're thinking of a different road. The one the OP is talking about is this one:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Po...4d-114.8906712
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Old 09-14-2019, 12:01 PM
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Redneck,

They don't match because that is a different "road".
The "old" one goes from Little Elbow Campground south bound and comes out at Sheep River PP.
Firearm discharge is allowed on this trail except for where it crosses private land on the Sheep.
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Old 10-11-2019, 02:12 PM
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You're thinking of a different road. The one the OP is talking about is this one:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Po...4d-114.8906712

Same road, further down on the south where it connects with HWY 66.

Here's the point where it's roughly 500m from the park:

https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Pow...4d-114.9104521
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