Contacted a leaseholder about permission

[calgarychef]

So last night I contacted a local grumpy leaseholder about permission to pick mushrooms in the lease. I wonder what excuse he’ll come up with this time?

[Simon96Taco]

Interested to hear the reply!

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[bushbug]

With an attitude like that i hope he tells you to pound pavement

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by bushbug

With an attitude like that i hope he tells you to pound pavement

You above reproach tried to deal with this dude or you wouldn’t have that kind of attitude yourself.

[tri777]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

So last night I contacted a local grumpy leaseholder about permission to pick
mushrooms in the lease. I wonder what excuse he’ll come up with this time?

I'm genuinely perplexed with the above..do grumpy landowners get
new threads posted also for denying hunting also, or just leaseholders?

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by tri777

I'm genuinely perplexed with the above..do grumpy landowners get
new threads posted also for denying hunting also, or just leaseholders?

Landowners have the right to say no. Leaseholders don’t own the land we do...

[hal53]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

So last night I contacted a local grumpy leaseholder about permission to pick mushrooms in the lease. I wonder what excuse he’ll come up with this time?

You say that you contacted him....what did he say?

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by hal53

You say that you contacted him....what did he say?

He hasn’t replied yet... I’m looking at next weekend. I’ll bug him Monday again

[tri777]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

Landowners have the right to say no. Leaseholders don’t own the land we do...

I am no longer perplexed, you are 100% correct calgarychef..he has no
right being a grump for that stick stuck up the darkened parts.
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Leaseholders must allow recreational access, but can restrict or deny this access if:
•you are not on foot
•livestock are present in the field
•a crop has not yet been harvested
•you wish to discharge a firearm or use explosives near livestock
•a fire ban is in effect
•you wish to camp

[hal53]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

He hasn’t replied yet... I’m looking at next weekend. I’ll bug him Monday again

Have you ever met the guy?

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by hal53

Have you ever met the guy?

He only communicates by email... hides behind his computer. Which is his choice, I’m fine with that but he uses every trick in the book to say no.

So I figured I’d ask about mushroom picking... the cattle aren’t on there, o other hunters booked on. I’m curious to see what his excuse is this time.

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

He only communicates by email... hides behind his computer. Which is his choice, I’m fine with that but he uses every trick in the book to say no.

So I figured I’d ask about mushroom picking... the cattle aren’t on there, o other hunters booked on. I’m curious to see what his excuse is this time.

Did you read the conditions on the lease? I'm pretty sure they cannot deny foot access if there are no cattle present.

[DiabeticKripple]

we had a lease holder deny us access because of "safety" and the cows were still on. Except they werent and you could see into the lease from the road.

A call to the lease office and they threatened to pull the lease on him should he continue to wrongfully deny access.

[buckbrush]

Constant issue here too. Can't hunt it until all their or their friends tags are filled, I even got denied foot access for shed hunting this year because their kids might want to look for sheds later. Lots of the lease land around here is basically just personal recreational property.

If a land owner denies permission, I understand completely. It's their land.

[heretohunt]

The fact that all Alberta hunters aren’t fired up about this topic bothers me. If you’ve ever been denied access to crown land because someone wants it for themselves, or just doesn’t like the fact that you were on there you would understand.
I guess it’s like if you don’t have a gun on the new prohibited list you don’t care about the new gun laws.

[Drewski Canuck]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

So last night I contacted a local grumpy leaseholder about permission to pick mushrooms in the lease. I wonder what excuse he’ll come up with this time?

Contact the local Lands Officer as soon as possible.

One of the new conditions for renewal is whether the lease holder allows public access.

DO NOT say you are having trouble getting in touch with him. Tell the Lands Officer about the denials, refusal to respond, the tactics to deny access, etc.

The Lease Holder will get a call from the Lands Officer, and it will be noted in the file. Do this EVERY TIME you have a problem with the Lease Holder. It is the only way that the file gets papered and the Lease Holder is made to account for his actions.

Drewski

[LKILR]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

Contact the local Lands Officer as soon as possible.

One of the new conditions for renewal is whether the lease holder allows public access.

DO NOT say you are having trouble getting in touch with him. Tell the Lands Officer about the denials, refusal to respond, the tactics to deny access, etc.

The Lease Holder will get a call from the Lands Officer, and it will be noted in the file. Do this EVERY TIME you have a problem with the Lease Holder. It is the only way that the file gets papered and the Lease Holder is made to account for his actions.

Drewski

Do this^^^^^^^. It works.

[Dean2]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

Contact the local Lands Officer as soon as possible.

One of the new conditions for renewal is whether the lease holder allows public access.

DO NOT say you are having trouble getting in touch with him. Tell the Lands Officer about the denials, refusal to respond, the tactics to deny access, etc.

The Lease Holder will get a call from the Lands Officer, and it will be noted in the file. Do this EVERY TIME you have a problem with the Lease Holder. It is the only way that the file gets papered and the Lease Holder is made to account for his actions.

Drewski

Spot on. Good to make your issues known on here, but the solution lies in reporting the problems EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!

[coreya3212]

Originally Posted by tri777

I am no longer perplexed, you are 100% correct calgarychef..he has no
right being a grump for that stick stuck up the darkened parts.
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Leaseholders must allow recreational access, but can restrict or deny this access if:
•you are not on foot
•livestock are present in the field
•a crop has not yet been harvested
•you wish to discharge a firearm or use explosives near livestock
•a fire ban is in effect
•you wish to camp

I wonder why folks feel the need to give a reason for access while complying with the rules to notify the lease holder of intent to access. Mushroom picking, shed hunting etc... aren’t you simply affording the leaseholder an opportunity to restrict or deny on the above posted criteria?

[thumper]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

Contact the local Lands Officer as soon as possible.

One of the new conditions for renewal is whether the lease holder allows public access.

Drewski

Drewski - do you have more information on these "new conditions" being placed on renewals ? It would mean that perhaps our letters to our MLAs have had some impact in better managing this problem in accessing our public lands under grazing lease!! Do you know, generally, how often grazing leases come up for renewal? I'm wondering when we can assume that most grazing lease holders are aware of these 'new conditions'. It sure would be nice to be able to actually see the lease agreements when attempting to access some difficult leaseholders.

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by Drewski Canuck

Contact the local Lands Officer as soon as possible.

One of the new conditions for renewal is whether the lease holder allows public access.

DO NOT say you are having trouble getting in touch with him. Tell the Lands Officer about the denials, refusal to respond, the tactics to deny access, etc.

The Lease Holder will get a call from the Lands Officer, and it will be noted in the file. Do this EVERY TIME you have a problem with the Lease Holder. It is the only way that the file gets papered and the Lease Holder is made to account for his actions.

Drewski

Good post. I have contacted the lands officer in the past.
He’s a young guy with no backbone and he wouldn’t do anything.
I’ll start pushing harder, thanks for the reminder.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by calgarychef

Good post. I have contacted the lands officer in the past.
He’s a young guy with no backbone and he wouldn’t do anything.
I’ll start pushing harder, thanks for the reminder.

Call his boss. That is his job, and if he can’t do his job he needs to be removed.

[liar]

Originally Posted by chuck

Call his boss. That is his job, and if he can’t do his job he needs to be removed.

A good friend of mine got a job with the dept. that looks after grazing leases about 30 years ago . He found some renewals for leases that did not meet the criteria for the lease holders to extend the leases . He was told by his superior to shut up and approve them . He told me at the time that there were lots of leases that were held by influential people who used them as their own private get aways .
That being said , if you notify someones boss , cc as many people as possible in hopes that at least one of them is not bought out or corrupt .

[W921]

I don't understand why someone would turn down a request to pick mushrooms. Maybe he is just busy or doesn't check his emails. My wife checks our emails about once a month. There are to many to read so she just deletes them all. Maybe call the guy on the phone?

[hal53]

Originally Posted by W921

I don't understand why someone would turn down a request to pick mushrooms. Maybe he is just busy or doesn't check his emails. My wife checks our emails about once a month. There are to many to read so she just deletes them all. Maybe call the guy on the phone?

The farmers around here have been going
16 hrs a day for the last while...getting last years crops off and getting the seed in the ground for this year. I'm pretty sure he's not too concerned about checking e mails or a guy who is wanting (?) to pick mushrooms..

[sweld]

Right or wrong what I do is I’ll try to contact and leave message or email once. If no reply I’ll try to contact once more by phone or email and tell them I will be accessing there lease on such a date, what I’m driving, why I’m accessing it, my contact info etc. Of course I abide by the conditions. If there is cattle or a fire ban. That usually gets there attention pretty quick.


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[Puma]

Originally Posted by hal53

The farmers around here have been going
16 hrs a day for the last while...getting last years crops off and getting the seed in the ground for this year. I'm pretty sure he's not too concerned about checking e mails or a guy who is wanting (?) to pick mushrooms..

Busy or not, its a condition of the lease.

The lease is a formal contract to use the land.

Still too busy ?, give up the lease.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Puma

Busy or not, its a condition of the lease.

The lease is a formal contract to use the land.

Still too busy ?, give up the lease.

Yah....okay......

[calgarychef]

Originally Posted by hal53

The farmers around here have been going
16 hrs a day for the last while...getting last years crops off and getting the seed in the ground for this year. I'm pretty sure he's not too concerned about checking e mails or a guy who is wanting (?) to pick mushrooms..

These guys don’t have any cropland... I hope he checks his email Monday.

[3blade]

Originally Posted by heretohunt

The fact that all Alberta hunters aren’t fired up about this topic bothers me. If you’ve ever been denied access to crown land because someone wants it for themselves, or just doesn’t like the fact that you were on there you would understand.
I guess it’s like if you don’t have a gun on the new prohibited list you don’t care about the new gun laws.

See below. We all hate it. But it’s very entrenched within the conservative old boys club.

Originally Posted by liar

A good friend of mine got a job with the dept. that looks after grazing leases about 30 years ago . He found some renewals for leases that did not meet the criteria for the lease holders to extend the leases . He was told by his superior to shut up and approve them . He told me at the time that there were lots of leases that were held by influential people who used them as their own private get aways .
That being said , if you notify someones boss , cc as many people as possible in hopes that at least one of them is not bought out or corrupt .

You mean like pretty much all of southern Alberta?