RCMP Received Tip About NS Gunman

[huntinstuff]

Originally Posted by roper1

You & Fordtruckin been there, done that. I can empathize. The issue I have if they can't plain & simple enunciate what you just said, and then pull boner after boner, and cover up & hide the facts...........

The fact they can never admit their mistakes or wrongdoing, and illegal acts, means they're doomed to repeat. Mayerthorpe, Moncton, the list is endless.

A truly broken system, a la the 101st. Time to replace them.

totally agree

Its when cops bend rules, take a sneak and peek, fail to have authority to act or proceed....thats when stuff goes off the rails and creeps walk free. Lawyers get paid to hunt for issues. They take months to scrutinize a report you wrote in 2 hrs because your shift was ending and you have court right after or overtime is an issue, or you gotta pick up your kids on time or your ex will document it for the next custody/divorce hearing....etc etc. Cops, unfortunately, are recruited from the human race. A very flawed race

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

totally agree

Its when cops bend rules, take a sneak and peek, fail to have authority to act or proceed....thats when stuff goes off the rails and creeps walk free. Lawyers get paid to hunt for issues. They take months to scrutinize a report you wrote in 2 hrs because your shift was ending and you have court right after or overtime is an issue, or you gotta pick up your kids on time or your ex will document it for the next custody/divorce hearing....etc etc. Cops, unfortunately, are recruited from the human race. A very flawed race

Not to mention that no matter how thorough the background checks the bad apples that sneak in. It is those same bad apples that get all the publicity when they screw up and label everyone else as a “Dirty cop”.

Huntinstuff is right, Humans are a very flawed race. All cops are human and humans make mistakes. It’s how they deal with those mistakes that determines what kind of person and officer they are. Unfortunately the public and media don’t give them a chance. They are quick to say guilty without all the information Needed to make an accurate decision. Only with criminals do you have innocent until proven guilty.

[Peace Meal Farm]

The Boots & Saddles didnt go out there killing folks in NS.
Responsibility falls to the perpetrator. End of.

[1899b]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

totally agree

Its when cops bend rules, take a sneak and peek, fail to have authority to act or proceed....thats when stuff goes off the rails and creeps walk free. Lawyers get paid to hunt for issues. They take months to scrutinize a report you wrote in 2 hrs because your shift was ending and you have court right after or overtime is an issue, or you gotta pick up your kids on time or your ex will document it for the next custody/divorce hearing....etc etc. Cops, unfortunately, are recruited from the human race. A very flawed race

This here is the behind the scenes things we as citizens/civilians do not see.

At times it must be hard for an officer to have respect for criminal lawyers even though they have a job to do just like the leo...

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

Not to mention that no matter how thorough the background checks the bad apples that sneak in. It is those same bad apples that get all the publicity when they screw up and label everyone else as a “Dirty cop”.

Huntinstuff is right, Humans are a very flawed race. All cops are human and humans make mistakes. It’s how they deal with those mistakes that determines what kind of person and officer they are. Unfortunately the public and media don’t give them a chance. They are quick to say guilty without all the information Needed to make an accurate decision. Only with criminals do you have innocent until proven guilty.

True to a point, but the force could gain back some of the respect that they have lost, if they dealt with the officers that make those mistakes. When they refuse to hold their own officers accountable, it just results in even more mistrust from the public. The high river gun grab, and the fire hall being shot up during the NS shooting spree, and the star wars costumed girl being taken down by force, are prime examples of where the force needs to hold their officers accountable. If the force wants people to respect them, and to assist them, they need to earn that respect. Forty years ago, if we saw an RCMP cruiser in the ditch, or broken down, we would go over and help them out, back then, people still respected the RCMP. These days, many people would turn around, and drive away, because of the mistrust for the RCMP.

[1899b]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

True to a point, but the force could gain back some of the respect that they have lost, if they dealt with the officers that make those mistakes. When they refuse to hold their own officers accountable, it just results in even more mistrust from the public. The high river gun grab, and the fire hall being shot up during the NS shooting spree, and the star wars costumed girl being taken down by force, are prime examples of where the force needs to hold their officers accountable. If the force wants people to respect them, and to assist them, they need to earn that respect. Forty years ago, if we say an RCMP cruiser in the ditch, or broken down, we would go over and help them out, back then, people still respected the RCMP. These days, many people would turn around, and drive away, because of the mistrust for the RCMP.

I agree. There would be more respect earned back if the RCMP would admit when they made a mistake and there was a sense of accountability and some transparency. But you never hear of this from them or an admission that they screwed up..

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

Not to mention that no matter how thorough the background checks the bad apples that sneak in. It is those same bad apples that get all the publicity when they screw up and label everyone else as a “Dirty cop”.

Huntinstuff is right, Humans are a very flawed race. All cops are human and humans make mistakes. It’s how they deal with those mistakes that determines what kind of person and officer they are. Unfortunately the public and media don’t give them a chance. They are quick to say guilty without all the information Needed to make an accurate decision. Only with criminals do you have innocent until proven guilty.

well said....

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

True to a point, but the force could gain back some of the respect that they have lost, if they dealt with the officers that make those mistakes. When they refuse to hold their own officers accountable, it just results in even more mistrust from the public. The high river gun grab, and the fire hall being shot up during the NS shooting spree, and the star wars costumed girl being taken down by force, are prime examples of where the force needs to hold their officers accountable. If the force wants people to respect them, and to assist them, they need to earn that respect. Forty years ago, if we saw an RCMP cruiser in the ditch, or broken down, we would go over and help them out, back then, people still respected the RCMP. These days, many people would turn around, and drive away, because of the mistrust for the RCMP.

Oh I absolutely agree, unfortunately that's bad leadership on the agencies part for not holding people accountable. However, remember just because someone makes an accusation or something happens where a cop is the "suspect" or is "suspected" of doing something wrong, the media and public instantly calling for their head on a silver platter 5 minutes after it goes viral goes against the system as well. As was already said, criminals have rights too and just because there is a witness or video of an event, doesn't automatically mean we can skip procedure and go right to a sentencing.

I do understand the issue though when an agency will refuse to acknowledge that they goofed up. My sister used to work for the RCMP and after she left and for the reasons she left I have little respect for them as well. The individual officer yes, but as an organization there has been too many issues they haven't provided either a reasonable explanation, an apology for or acknowledged wrong doing.

(come to think of it I used to work for such an agency... I didn't last 3 years before I left, as have the vast majority of anyone who either was a good officer when I met them or have become good officers since I left)

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by fordtruckin

Oh I absolutely agree, unfortunately that's bad leadership on the agencies part for not holding people accountable. However, remember just because someone makes an accusation or something happens where a cop is the "suspect" or is "suspected" of doing something wrong, the media and public instantly calling for their head on a silver platter 5 minutes after it goes viral goes against the system as well. As was already said, criminals have rights too and just because there is a witness or video of an event, doesn't automatically mean we can skip procedure and go right to a sentencing.

I do understand the issue though when an agency will refuse to acknowledge that they goofed up. My sister used to work for the RCMP and after she left and for the reasons she left I have little respect for them as well. The individual officer yes, but as an organization there has been too many issues they haven't provided either a reasonable explanation, an apology for or acknowledged wrong doing.

(come to think of it I used to work for such an agency... I didn't last 3 years before I left, as have the vast majority of anyone who either was a good officer when I met them or have become good officers since I left)

It's like working for a crooked company, you could be a hard working, honest employee, but because you work for a crooked company, people won't trust you. In that respect, the RCMP, and SNC have a lot in common.

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

It's like working for a crooked company, you could be a hard working, honest employee, but because you work for a crooked company, people won't trust you. In that respect, the RCMP, and SNC have a lot in common.

Exactly! As hard as it is I’d just ask that people remember no matter how bad an agency is chances are there are more good and honest people Working there for the right reasons than they think. Don’t paint everyone with the same brush rather judge them by your interaction with the specific officer. There’s many good ones out there who truly want to help and don’t agree with how supervisors do things. But for whatever reason they stay around. As many on AO say if they just up and quit the Agency Because they didn’t agree with policy who would you have left? Only the bad ones and if you think things are bad now, think how they would be if every good officer quit who didn’t completely agree with their superiors or policy.

I had Several coworkers who are strictly by the book, black and white there’s no grey area. Which is rubbish because law enforcement always works in a grey area. People have had interactions with them and not been given a chance to explain their side and that left a bad taste in their mouth. In short they will not talk to that officer and are a total jerk if he shows up, but if someone else shows up they are friendly and more than willing to cooperate. Should they say all officers are jerks based off the interaction with one individual?

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

I highly doubt there are a kabillion reports of people wanting to kill cops and having illegal weapons.

There are likely a lot more than you would believe.

Originally Posted by rhope

everyone seemed to know all about Rosco also and nothing was done to prevent that fiasco I think some RCMP head honchos should have been held accountable in that situation instead of 2 poor associates still sitting in jail

Thats BS, Rosco was charged many times. Property was raided more than once.

I know folks that worked in the patch with that crazy SOB and you can blame the courts for his being at large as much as anyone.

[barsik]

some of you can't see the difference between locker room BS and real danger. Wortman was a seriously bent individual that earned a firearms prohibition due to his aggressive nature with his partner, family members, and most notably beating someone up for really nothing other than he was a psychopath. law enforcement was notified about his illegal gun collection. they were also told about his replica RCMP car collection. apparently all of this is all within the range of normal behavior according to some. makes me wonder about the company some of you socialize with.

[sk270]

I have a question for any on here who are directly connected with law enforcement.

There are numerous media reports of two RCMP members firing at another member near a fire hall while the search for the psycho in Nova Scotia was going on. Apparently no one was injured but there were bullet holes in buildings and vehicles. The RCMP has not commented nor, it seems, investigated.

Would any city police service in Canada, city police in the USA, FBI, sheriff's department, or state police in the USA be able to get away with "no comment" on an incident reported like that?

This is the kind of stone-walling and secrecy that has contributed to my current low opinion of the RCMP as an organization.

I would really like to get an explanation from any police or similar people on this forum. Thanks.

[Mr Conservation]

Originally Posted by sk270

I have a question for any on here who are directly connected with law enforcement.

There are numerous media reports of two RCMP members firing at another member near a fire hall while the search for the psycho in Nova Scotia was going on. Apparently no one was injured but there were bullet holes in buildings and vehicles. The RCMP has not commented nor, it seems, investigated.

Would any city police service in Canada, city police in the USA, FBI, sheriff's department, or state police in the USA be able to get away with "no comment" on an incident reported like that?

This is the kind of stone-walling and secrecy that has contributed to my current low opinion of the RCMP as an organization.

I would really like to get an explanation from any police or similar people on this forum. Thanks.

It actually is being investigated by the Nova Scotia equivalent of the Serious Incident Response Team. RCMP won't comment right now as it is an investigation being performed by the authority with jurisdiction.

Mr Conservation

[AndrewM]

Originally Posted by barsik

some of you can't see the difference between locker room BS and real danger. Wortman was a seriously bent individual that earned a firearms prohibition due to his aggressive nature with his partner, family members, and most notably beating someone up for really nothing other than he was a psychopath. law enforcement was notified about his illegal gun collection. they were also told about his replica RCMP car collection. apparently all of this is all within the range of normal behavior according to some. makes me wonder about the company some of you socialize with.

Exactly!

[sk270]

Originally Posted by Mr Conservation

It actually is being investigated by the Nova Scotia equivalent of the Serious Incident Response Team. RCMP won't comment right now as it is an investigation being performed by the authority with jurisdiction.

Mr Conservation

Mr. Conservation is correct. I missed it and will try to be more careful in future.

[NSDucknut]

The Nova Scotia killer had ties to criminals and withdrew a huge sum of cash before the shooting
https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/...-the-shooting/

Uh oh!



The Nova Scotia shooter case has hallmarks of an undercover operation
https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/...ver-operation/

Double uh oh!

Anyone else think the mounties would let a guy slide on having illegal firearms and domestic abuse if he was a CI or private agent? I kinda do

Straight up the way this guy got all that cash from brinks is awfully, awfully suspicious.

[waldedw]

This whole thing stinks right down to sparkle socks invoking the gun ban because of it, if heads don't roll over this I would be shocked, but then again it would not be the first time I was shocked

[AndrewM]

Sure be ironic if they prove the guns were given to him by the RCMP since he was a confidential informant. Bet an inquiry here fades away into the night.

[Texican]

Due to the large amount of cash he had access to, he seems to have been an undercover agent not just an informant

[TimeOff]

Here is a Video from Dan Dicks," press for truth" about that Macleans article. Touching on previous RCMP entrapment allegations as well. https://www.bitchute.com/video/BPi5evW2nuDa/