Looking for a job/career

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by gloszz

I applied to about 5 positions through them but got this job through indeed.

Oh right on. Glad to hear you found something. Cheers

[MrPants]

Originally Posted by gloszz

So I got a job and to be quite honest it's not what I wanted but hopefully can build up to a management position from a site coordinator. And to that guy who wouldn't touch me with a 10ft pole, looks like there were many who would considering I got sifted through 3 interviews and a panel of CEO's to get this job. So the consensus is you're a terrible manager as I thought

And wanted to thank all those that were positive and believed in me!

I’m not exactly sure what position you expected to get given your qualifications. You were competing with ~80 Construction Engineering Technologists that just graduated along with those from the Civil program. There are numerous others with experience in the industry already. Project coordinator jobs are basically where everyone starts out, embrace the job and prove yourself.

[gloszz]

Originally Posted by MrPants

I’m not exactly sure what position you expected to get given your qualifications. You were competing with ~80 Construction Engineering Technologists that just graduated along with those from the Civil program. There are numerous others with experience in the industry already. Project coordinator jobs are basically where everyone starts out, embrace the job and prove yourself.

How is a Construction engineering tech anything close to a Bachelor of Construction management. One is an actual degree and needs a Diploma to complete, plus some experience. I am happy I got it but I would have assumed my Operations manager position, plus working construction jobs here and there for a span of 6 years would put me ahead of fresh grads...

[MrPants]

Originally Posted by gloszz

How is a Construction engineering tech anything close to a Bachelor of Construction management. One is an actual degree and needs a Diploma to complete, plus some experience. I am happy I got it but I would have assumed my Operations manager position, plus working construction jobs here and there for a span of 6 years would put me ahead of fresh grads...

You said you are working towards, which means you do not have that qualification. The Construction Engineering Technology program provides the vast majority of coordinator and estimators that we hire, we feel it prepares people the best for our needs. That program is built around construction management. A lot of those hires become project managers. You have some good things going but there is someone one step further. Our most recent hire was a “Fresh Grad” with 10 years in the construction industry, red seal journeyman, supervisor training, management training, NCSO, and CET diploma. That’s your competition. The rest don’t get jobs they want, they get a trade, technical sales, etc.

Regards,

Senior Project Manager at a top 10 construction company in the world.

[gloszz]

Originally Posted by MrPants

You said you are working towards, which means you do not have that qualification. The Construction Engineering Technology program provides the vast majority of coordinator and estimators that we hire, we feel it prepares people the best for our needs. That program is built around construction management. A lot of those hires become project managers. You have some good things going but there is someone one step further. Our most recent hire was a “Fresh Grad” with 10 years in the construction industry, red seal journeyman, supervisor training, management training, NCSO, and CET diploma. That’s your competition. The rest don’t get jobs they want, they get a trade, technical sales, etc.

Regards,

Senior Project Manager at a top 10 construction company in the world.

I see what you are saying, and I agree that there is some great competition out there. One thing I must add is that a lot of the CET ( civil and construction) kids/adults are having some difficulties in the program, which is odd because we are not doing many technical things. Estimating is only one class, the rest is a lot of technical and bull courses like accounting, stats, communications etc * bull because I have taken all those courses but they don't qualify *. To add to that though, there are also a lot of students in my program that shouldn't even be there because they know more than our instructors and are only here because their employer sent them and is paying for it.

But that is the problem, too many educated people and not enough work, thats why I hope to move to Houston once I finish here and my green card comes soon. 95% of my friends who graduated from U of H, UT and A&M have work thanks to the co-op program.

[JB_AOL]

Originally Posted by gloszz

So I got a job and to be quite honest it's not what I wanted but hopefully can build up to a management position from a site coordinator. And to that guy who wouldn't touch me with a 10ft pole, looks like there were many who would considering I got sifted through 3 interviews and a panel of CEO's to get this job. So the consensus is you're a terrible manager as I thought

And wanted to thank all those that were positive and believed in me!

Lol..
Good luck,but I'm sure (as you probably oversold yourself) you'll be looking again soon.

(From a "horrible"manager who somehow stayed employed thru 4 downturns.. eyeroll)

[gloszz]

Originally Posted by JB_AOL

Lol..
Good luck,but I'm sure (as you probably oversold yourself) you'll be looking again soon.

(From a "horrible"manager who somehow stayed employed thru 4 downturns.. eyeroll)

I have friends who have failing business for the past 20 years and keep getting more into debt as the years go by. That doesn't mean they are doing good. You being employed doesn't mean much. If it's a union job and you somehow got lucky to not get noticed how bad you are as a manager, it's just hard to get rid of you. Plus many places love having terrible managers, it keeps the rotation going and no one can stay long enough to actually do something about bad management.

[Positrac]

A good attitude will probably get a guy farther in life than anything else. You should really take a hard look at yours Gloszz and think about working on it a bit...

Take a bit to re-read your reply’s in this thread and think how you are coming across to the rest of us. A potential future boss may be reading this thread and based on attitude alone and regardless of your actual qualifications I’m telling you your resume would go straight into the waste basket and I’d be on to the next...

[JB_AOL]

Originally Posted by gloszz

I have friends who have failing business for the past 20 years and keep getting more into debt as the years go by. That doesn't mean they are doing good. You being employed doesn't mean much. If it's a union job and you somehow got lucky to not get noticed how bad you are as a manager, it's just hard to get rid of you. Plus many places love having terrible managers, it keeps the rotation going and no one can stay long enough to actually do something about bad management.

25 years old with friends who have businesses for over 20.. must've been some great lemonade.. or was it koolade?

Like I said. Good luck.

[gloszz]

Originally Posted by JB_AOL

25 years old with friends who have businesses for over 20.. must've been some great lemonade.. or was it koolade?

Like I said. Good luck.

It was lollipops actually. You have nothing to talk about so you decide to attack who I associate with . I guess it is unusual having fishing/hunting buddies that are your friends dads!

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by Positrac

A good attitude will probably get a guy farther in life than anything else. You should really take a hard look at yours Gloszz and think about working on it a bit...

Take a bit to re-read your reply’s in this thread and think how you are coming across to the rest of us. A potential future boss may be reading this thread and based on attitude alone and regardless of your actual qualifications I’m telling you your resume would go straight into the waste basket and I’d be on to the next...

Yep good advice. See guys come and go but a attitude like I see exhibited here wouldn’t last long.

[ETOWNCANUCK]

Cough cough BS cough cough

[JB_AOL]

Originally Posted by ETOWNCANUCK

Cough cough BS cough cough

Yep.

I predict next week he'll be CFO of this "top 10" company.

[Xbolt7mm]

Originally Posted by gloszz

I have friends who have failing business for the past 20 years and keep getting more into debt as the years go by. That doesn't mean they are doing good. You being employed doesn't mean much. If it's a union job and you somehow got lucky to not get noticed how bad you are as a manager, it's just hard to get rid of you. Plus many places love having terrible managers, it keeps the rotation going and no one can stay long enough to actually do something about bad management.

I read all the posts, listened to the op, shaking my head at half the stuff he says. Your ideals and your willingness to strike out at people says a lot to us all. If you put your name on this thread and your employer read it, i would suggest that your career would be very short with that company. You are in fact an entitled millennial and display every tendency that us old baby boomers find disgusting. You did list most of them correctly in a previous post. How you became that way is not the debate but simply that you are. I’m glad you got a job but with your attitude and a position as a coordinator (paper keeper on a construction site) will be a bad mix to keep that job. Test time, give your boss the link to this thread and see how confident you are with your philosophies and resolve when your not hidden under the cloak of a user name. Remember when you come to the internet and ask for peoples opinions you get them!

[TBark]

So we’re done then?
Good luck with ur job glozz,

TBark

[Grump]

Originally Posted by gloszz

Don't understand your comment. Not saving face, just salty a lot of old farts on here think young people are worthless. It isn't our fault y'all ruined the economy and the housing market.

Gloszz, man, you gotta just stop digging the hole. As distasteful as your dialogue was before you found this job, it's been even worse since. I'm not sure what you're trying to gain in these attempts to save face/demean other folks on here but as a third party observer, it does you absolutely no favours.

Also, in the same way that you get to hide behind your user name on here, some of us aren't "old farts", despite our user names. As someone who is still in my 20's, you're making us look bad in this tread.

[EZM]

I, too, seem to fall in the category somewhere between the "baby boomer" and the millennial (born in the 70's) - maybe we are the only sane ones one here .... lol ... just teasing .... people of all generations can be either lazy or hard working - it has a lot to do with how they were raised IMO.

either way - just a comment .... a nice story to give those in a similar situation some encouragement .....

Had a real nice kid who came and worked here this summer as a student. This is his last summer and he's graduating soon. He worked here last summer as well, in the yard, making under $20/hr and was early to work, worked hard, and went the extra mile.

This year he's back but told me (he plays sports too) that he had to take off a couple, weeks to nurse some minor knee surgery before I hired him or had to do light duty but wasn't asking to be accommodated and was honest with me.

I told him if he wants I can find him some stuff to do in the office maybe filing (computer filing) with the engineers (as he is an engineering student familiar with that line of work).

Well ......... wouldn't you know it, after a few days, the engineering manager (who works with me) comes back and asked me if he could keep this kid and maybe offer him work after he graduates ......... seems he is just as great in the office as he was out in the yard.

Good things come to those who assert themselves.

He will graduate soon, and should be making a 6 figure salary with our team within a couple years of graduation.

Moral of the story is, even a job "beneath you" might open some doors for you and you should work hard at everything you do to give yourself a chance to get these opportunities.

[Albertadiver]

I'm in the industry that the OP is in.

Suffice to say, post 73 sums it up for me.

There is work in the industry, in fact, we are quite busy. Not all are willing to put in the effort to make it. As big as the industry is in Alberta, it's still small enough that networking and getting to know people makes a huge difference.

[muzzy]

As a former hiring manager I will say this. Its a WAY easier to get a job if you already have a job. What your current job is isnt all that important its the fact you are getting up every day and ( hopefully) putting in a hard days work. During the interview conversation I'm sure you'll get asked " why are you applying with an appropriate answer being I want to improve and challenge myself in my career path. When I saw a resume that said I havent worked in a year or more that immediately put up flags ( fairly or otherwise)
Why isnt he/she working ? are they unreliable? No initiative? lazy? trouble makers? Having a job when you go in eliminates all these types of doubts

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by gloszz

Well who's fault is it? You're right, it's the kids fault who was in a cradle.

Everyone likes to bash millennials. We’re spoiled, entitled, and hopelessly glued to our smartphones. We demand participation trophies, can’t find jobs, and live with our parents until we’re 30.

Appears to fit you like a glove.

[gloszz]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Appears to fit you like a glove.

Sorry to say but you're wrong. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[rem338win]

Well, like everything else I've seen the OP start, this has been polarizing.

Good life experience will give you a minimum of three things education and entitlement never can: wisdom, practical knowledge and most of all humility.

If you cannot immediately recognize this in a person applying for any job where leadership and responsiblility are required they aren't hireable.

Like the OP I have found millenials equally polarized and they seem to stack on two sides of the spectrum: entitled and unreachable or eager and teachable.

Education for many has become the source of entitlement instead of a foundation to build on. If you've come out of a certificate, diploma or degree program with a smattering of experience and think your castle is built, then you're a fool too eager to fall with your wilting parapet.

[bobalong]

Originally Posted by gloszz

Sorry to say but you're wrong. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Sorry as well but even if you don't see it, your comments align exactly with what you stated. Not realizing it or admitting to it is another common trate of the entitled.

[gloszz]

Originally Posted by bobalong

Sorry as well but even if you don't see it, your comments align exactly with what you stated. Not realizing it or admitting to it is another common trate of the entitled.

You are funny. Me finding the humour in your dad joke means I'm not a millennial. Know what else doesn't make me a millennial? Not having a cellphone till I graduated high school, working since I was 12 and not being glued to my phone or computer 24/7. Oh and being married, most millennials decide to "date" for many years and are too scared of commitment. Oh and what else... I don't look like a lumberjack with a man bun and don't drink fruity drinks. Loving the outdoors is also something millennials hate. So back off

[Xbolt7mm]

Originally Posted by gloszz

You are funny. Me finding the humour in your dad joke means I'm not a millennial. Know what else doesn't make me a millennial? Not having a cellphone till I graduated high school, working since I was 12 and not being glued to my phone or computer 24/7. Oh and being married, most millennials decide to "date" for many years and are too scared of commitment. Oh and what else... I don't look like a lumberjack with a man bun and don't drink fruity drinks. Loving the outdoors is also something millennials hate. So back off

Let me guess,,,,,,,your offended,,lmao

[Positrac]

[gloszz]

Originally Posted by Xbolt7mm

Let me guess,,,,,,,your offended,,lmao

As a matter of fact it's offends me more that you don't know how to differentiate between your and you're. People can assume things by how I act and what I write in this forum and I can assume things from people who lack proper grammar ... sorry?

[mattthegorby]

Originally Posted by gloszz

You are funny. Me finding the humour in your dad joke means I'm not a millennial. Know what else doesn't make me a millennial? Not having a cellphone till I graduated high school, working since I was 12 and not being glued to my phone or computer 24/7. Oh and being married, most millennials decide to "date" for many years and are too scared of commitment. Oh and what else... I don't look like a lumberjack with a man bun and don't drink fruity drinks. Loving the outdoors is also something millennials hate. So back off

I will be the odd guy out, as a genXer, and say that I find many millennials kick butt. Have worked with a bunch of twentysomethings lately with strong work ethics and relaxed attitudes. I actually prefer working with folks a bit younger than I am... less drama.

[Xbolt7mm]

Originally Posted by gloszz

As a matter of fact it's offends me more that you don't know how to differentiate between your and you're. People can assume things by how I act and what I write in this forum and I can assume things from people who lack proper grammar ... sorry?

Your (i did that just for you) awfully cocky for someone whole never uses periods after abbreviations and forgets words like “a” in the middle of sentences. To be clear, we are not assuming things by how you act or what you write, its fact, no assumption required and you don’t need a question mark after sorry, it’s a statement not a question. Throwing stones son, there is a saying about that. Even starting sentences with the word “And” although not a complete no no, however certainly not proper. So you continue to assume things about my grammar and Ill continue to dislike people like you and not hire them, even for a crappy coordinator jobs. You’ll be fired within a month and then start another thread on here crying about the world again. Just be glad the baby boomers keep the UI system going for people like you. Now I know why we always hire young foreigners for coordinator jobs, they shut up and work!

[gloszz]

Originally Posted by Xbolt7mm

Your (i did that just for you) awfully cocky for someone whole never uses periods after abbreviations and forgets words like “a” in the middle of sentences. To be clear, we are not assuming things by how you act or what you write, its fact, no assumption required and you don’t need a question mark after sorry, it’s a statement not a question. Throwing stones son, there is a saying about that. Even starting sentences with the word “And” although not a complete no no, however certainly not proper. So you continue to assume things about my grammar and Ill continue to dislike people like you and not hire them, even for a crappy coordinator jobs. You’ll be fired within a month and then start another thread on here crying about the world again. Just be glad the baby boomers keep the UI system going for people like you. Now I know why we always hire young foreigners for coordinator jobs, they shut up and work!

You still used the wrong you're. I used a question mark after sorry because it was sarcasm. Example: sorry, not sorry. Sentence structure evolves, just like APA standards. I was taught not to use "but" at the beginning of sentences, yet writing papers for professors they encouraged it. Here it's takens from my book, "writing sentences for dummies and millennials"


(Avocado, 2017) "There is a widespread belief—one with no historical or grammatical foundation—that it is an error to begin a sentence with a conjunction such as "and", "but" or "so". In fact, a substantial percentage (often as many as 10 percent) of the sentences in first-rate writing begin with conjunctions." (Pg. 666)

In regards to foreign worker hiring I know exactly why they are hired, they slave away, don't know employment standards and will not report you for being a slave driver.