FISA Memo Released (thoughts?)

[Crankbait]

Originally Posted by JD848

The Russian probe was set up by many involved with this illegal fisa memo and dossier which were designed to take Trump down.The dossier was bought and paid for by HILLARY ,this really is nothing new,the GOP new 7 weeks ago that there were bias FbI members who were in on this deal to get insurance that Trump never got into power.SO what will Trump do with this mess,plus the Russians have been tampering with usa politics for decades.

what's the last sentence in the memo?

[Fish along]

This whole scandal,is in my opinion ( The Sum Of All Fears)absolutely unbelievable what some will do for power,and all the lies and deception, and how many people are doing time in prisons for lesser crimes,these people are absolute scum,they should all be sent to Guantanamo Bay and treated like any other terrorists.

[JD848]

Originally Posted by cschache

That's a quick over view, things still to get answers to are Benghazi, Clinton Foundation pay for play, Previous administration and Hezbollah/Iran, Uranium 1, and a few more that I cant think of but it will be interesting how deep Rosenstein, Mueller, Comey are interlocked in a lot of this when everything gets shaken down because all 3 have been apart if the FBI or DOJ in previous administrations and who from the Democratic party gets caught in these investigations.

All 3 are in trouble and indictments are on the way,one of the biggest crimes by the DNC created the larges migration of humans ever before and that was the take down of LIBYA which is named Hillary's war .
The Saudi's gave her millions and who bought up all the oil that funded this mess of terrorist that Obama couldn't bring down in his 8 years in office,but Trump has them on the run just like the DNC ,FBI,DOJ all in one year,not bad for dumb a politician who they under estimated.Here we have trouble over getting a permit for simple pipeline,go figure.

[Newview01]

And still nothing but crickets from the anti-Tumpers on the forum.

[JD848]

Originally Posted by Newview01

And still nothing but crickets from the anti-Tumpers on the forum.

They just known how to lie and hide better at least Trump tells the Truth even when he thinks he lying.THe dow dumped 680 points today on fears of political melt downs,back in 1999 Bill Gates was the worst guy an wall street and that caused a severe drops in the market for creating a monopoly,them Enron did there deal that took trillions that were lost in days and Bill gates was all forgotten and was a hero over night.

[midgetwaiter]

Originally Posted by Newview01

And still nothing but crickets from the anti-Tumpers on the forum.

Work on your reading. I didn’t refer to the author of the memo as a nitwit because I was impressed.

[2 Tollers]

Originally Posted by Newview01

And still nothing but crickets from the anti-Tumpers on the forum.

Not quite correct There has been one post with an attempt at deflection / diversion to get people looking away.

[bessiedog]

Can someone help here.....?
Trumps last tweet accused the FBI leadership and the upper investigators.
As far as I can tell, Mueller is the only non Trump appointed fbi leader.. top investigator.

Who else is left? Or is he just referring to Mueller. Does Mueller have democratic leanings?


Ps.... not surprised if the FBI was being political, it’s be very hard to keep an org unbiased.

How does one go about purging such an organization?

[covey ridge]

I just wish that Hillary and Donald could be exiled to a remote island so that they could be together for the rest of their life.

[MyAlberta]

Originally Posted by markg

So the Fisa memo was released today. Please use this thread to express your thoughts on what this means.

Keep the the insults off this thread lets talk about the facts and what kind of impact this would have.

Social media is now the most potent weapon

[67ZL1]

Exactly the reason Soros is trying to get Internet censorship.

[midgetwaiter]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Can someone help here.....?
Trumps last tweet accused the FBI leadership and the upper investigators.
As far as I can tell, Mueller is the only non Trump appointed fbi leader.. top investigator.

Who else is left? Or is he just referring to Mueller. Does Mueller have democratic leanings?

Mueller's tenure as FBI director was 2001 to 2013, it wasn't Obama who appointed him. Somehow every Republican that takes issue with Trump for whatever reason is now part of a liberal plot to subvert something or other. I'm pretty sure Trump's tweet refers to Andrew McCabe, he's been using the fact McCabe's wife was a democratic candidate for the Virginia state house as a smoke screen for months. She's a woman you see and that means she obviously could't have her own political opinions or career without her husband's guidance so there's your proof he's a corrupt democratic satan worshipping kiddie toucher.

John McCain was conservative enough to be the Republican presidential candidate a decade ago, here's his take on the memo:

"Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.”

So now he's another one of evil Hillary's henchmen? He's been an undercover democrat operative his entire life? I can't fathom how eager some of you are to swallow this ****e.

[MyAlberta]

Originally Posted by midgetwaiter

Mueller's tenure as FBI director was 2001 to 2013, it wasn't Obama who appointed him. Somehow every Republican that takes issue with Trump for whatever reason is now part of a liberal plot to subvert something or other. I'm pretty sure Trump's tweet refers to Andrew McCabe, he's been using the fact McCabe's wife was a democratic candidate for the Virginia state house as a smoke screen for months. She's a woman you see and that means she obviously could't have her own political opinions or career without her husband's guidance so there's your proof he's a corrupt democratic satan worshipping kiddie toucher.

John McCain was conservative enough to be the Republican presidential candidate a decade ago, here's his take on the memo:

"Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.”

So now he's another one of evil Hillary's henchmen? He's been an undercover democrat operative his entire life? I can't fathom how eager some of you are to swallow this ****e.

In similar fashion to the sexual allegations, Trump is enlisting the court of public opinion. Innocent by election. It’s a coup, and I doubt any findings will sway the public sector who has been emboldened.

[2 Tollers]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Can someone help here.....?
Trumps last tweet accused the FBI leadership and the upper investigators.
As far as I can tell, Mueller is the only non Trump appointed fbi leader.. top investigator. Who else is left? Or is he just referring to Mueller. Does Mueller have democratic leanings? Ps.... not surprised if the FBI was being political, it’s be very hard to keep an org unbiased. How does one go about purging such an organization?

Here is a summary from one of the US news outlets with their thoughts. If even a portion of this is true the manipulation by people in the FBI and DOJ should be a cause for concern. Ohr and Yates both have ties back to Hillary and Obama.

Among the memo’s findings are:
•The anti-Trump dossier funded by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee formed an “essential” part of the initial and all three renewal surveillance applications against Trump campaign adviser Carter Page;
• The political origins of the dossier were “known to senior DOJ and FBI officials,” but those origins were not included in applications to obtain the warrant;
•Also used to justify the surveillance warrants against Page was a news story supposedly corroborating the dossier, that was pushed by the dossier author Christopher Steele himself — yet the FISA application incorrectly says Steele did not provide the information in the article;
•Perkins Coie — the law firm for the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee hosted a meeting with Steele, Fusion GPS and media (this revelation makes it harder for the Clinton campaign and the DNC to deny they knew about the dossier, though Clinton and other top DNC officials at that time have denied knowing about it);
•Steele was “suspended and then terminated” as an FBI source, after the FBI learned that he made an authorized disclosure of his relationship with the FBI to liberal media magazine Mother Jones, and he lied to the FBI about his previous media contacts with Yahoo! and other outlets;
•Steele — although portrayed as a “boy scout” by Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson — had personal bias against candidate Donald Trump, telling senior Justice Department official Bruce Ohr that he was “desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president”;
•Ohr’s wife Nellie Ohr assisted with the dossier, but the FBI or the DOJ did not disclose this connection in the application for the FISA warrant, even though Bruce Ohr worked “closely” with Deputy Attorney Generals Sally Yates and then Rod Rosenstein — who both signed off on at least one FISA application or renewal;
•At the time that the FBI used the dossier to obtain the spy warrant on Page in October 2016, head of the FBI’s counterintelligence division Bill Priestap had assessed that the corroboration of the dossier was still in its “infancy,” and after Steele was terminated as a source, an FBI unit assessed his reporting as only “minimally corroborated”;
•FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe acknowledged to the House Intelligence Committee in December 2017 that no warrant would have been sought without the dossier;
•The FISA warrant also mentioned information related to another Trump campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, even though there was no evidence of cooperation or conspiracy between Page and Papadopoulos;
•The memo does not state what the information about Papadopoulos was, but said that information was the trigger to the FBI’s counterintelligence investigation on Russian meddling and collusion in late July 2016 (he had told an Australian diplomat at a London bar that a Maltese professor connected to Russia had told him he had dirt on Clinton in the form of emails);
•Peter Strzok, the No. 2 at the FBI’s counterintelligence division opened the bureau’s investigation on Russian meddling and collusion (text messages between him and fellow FBI official and lover Lisa Page show that he held an anti-Trump bias);
•The FBI authorized payments to Steele, but never disclosed that in any of the FISA warrant applications.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by midgetwaiter

Mueller's tenure as FBI director was 2001 to 2013, it wasn't Obama who appointed him. Somehow every Republican that takes issue with Trump for whatever reason is now part of a liberal plot to subvert something or other. I'm pretty sure Trump's tweet refers to Andrew McCabe, he's been using the fact McCabe's wife was a democratic candidate for the Virginia state house as a smoke screen for months. She's a woman you see and that means she obviously could't have her own political opinions or career without her husband's guidance so there's your proof he's a corrupt democratic satan worshipping kiddie toucher.

John McCain was conservative enough to be the Republican presidential candidate a decade ago, here's his take on the memo:

"Our nation’s elected officials, including the president, must stop looking at this investigation through the warped lens of politics and manufacturing partisan sideshows. If we continue to undermine our own rule of law, we are doing Putin’s job for him.”

So now he's another one of evil Hillary's henchmen? He's been an undercover democrat operative his entire life? I can't fathom how eager some of you are to swallow this ****e.

The fact that both the Republican and Democrat establishment folks hate Trump makes him that much more attractive. That is what you are forgetting. He calls himself a Republican, but in reality is neither. Most of what he is doing seems to be in line with his promise to drain the swamp.

[JD848]

The fisa memo is much larger than what was let out on Friday,the further they go into the Trump Russia deal they are finding out the secrets that should have been hided by the DNC.Plus if charged with treason we will see this vessel of rats all turn on each other.Let the games begin,it's about time that the working people see exactly how there money is wasted.
This will make a hells angel court case look like a boy scout meeting and some will get plenty of time to learn how to tie knots .

Trey Gowdy is one heck of a smart dude and he will help Trump with this mess and go home.Jason Chaffetz chairman of House Oversight gave his job to Trey Gowdy and retired over multiple death theats to his family,within a year Gowdy pulled out also for unknown reasons.The swamp is deep and dark and lord knows what will crawl out.

[markg]

Here is a summary of what is happening

https://youtu.be/8sToAWZCO_8

[2 Tollers]

Originally Posted by markg

Here is a summary of what is happening

https://youtu.be/8sToAWZCO_8

Thanks that was worth the watch. He is a little over the top at times on his opinion on the left leaning and left media. Good overall summary and in tying points together as background that were not covered in the memo.

I cannot see how the case against General Flynn can continue given the FBI role in getting the now false FISA orders. It will be also interesting to see the settlements that Carter Page gets.

[JD848]

I never watched the video,but the most important part in the begining of all this is that the fisa memo was obtained illegally when it was present to the fed judge for him to sign it under false pretense .
To lie to a fed judge in order to get what they really wanted is a major felony.So who ever signed not one but 4 fisa warrants all new the purpose and all lied in order to get there way ,a federal agent can't just go up and lie to a judge under the fisa agreement.

There's rules and power that are place by the gov't so that Fisa doesn't do exactly what the FBI did in preparing this and the preparation it self is another felony .This is just the beginning of a very long investigation,you can bet your life Trump will be on full alert and do every thing in his power to bring the hammer down on those that tried to change a democracy system at it's highest level of the law.
I have been watching this play out piece by piece,Jim Jordan is another smart guy who won't stop till this is over,unless they kill.

[jrowan]

Couple things regarding the memo:
1) It is not a FISA memo, rather a memo written by Nunes and some other Republicans regarding their thoughts about evidence presented to the rest of the house Intel committee, in particular a FISA application, to the rest of the Republicans that sit on the committee
2) very little new information is presented except for some details about what was referred in the FISA renewal and initial application for Carter Page
3) Based on how the memo is written you can tell it has been edited, just read point 5 on the memo and tell me how one person's train of thought goes on a complete tangent after 1 sentence while other points are more well written
4) omission of known facts regarding the dossier specifically. That it was initially funded by Republicans b4 Trump won the Republican nomination.

Also there is now a bipartisan push to release the full FISA application with some redactions: https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.poli...es-memo-389088

[bessiedog]

Yea...... that memo looked pretty cut paste omitty for me.

Tollers..... I’ve read two separate ‘massaged interpretations’ of this memo. One notes that warrants were not dependent on the spy’s dossier ..... and it was minimal... the other ‘likely what you’ve read.... says the dossier was key to securing the warrents....

We don’t know the full story.

This memo seems to be a political tool. Feed the existing hatred.

Release all the info and maybe we’ll get a snif as to what the deal is.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Release all the info and maybe we’ll get a sniff as to what the deal is.

Yep.

[Crankbait]

Originally Posted by JD848

The fisa memo is much larger than what was let out on Friday,the further they go into the Trump Russia deal they are finding out the secrets that should have been hided by the DNC.Plus if charged with treason we will see this vessel of rats all turn on each other.Let the games begin,it's about time that the working people see exactly how there money is wasted.
This will make a hells angel court case look like a boy scout meeting and some will get plenty of time to learn how to tie knots .

Trey Gowdy is one heck of a smart dude and he will help Trump with this mess and go home.Jason Chaffetz chairman of House Oversight gave his job to Trey Gowdy and retired over multiple death theats to his family,within a year Gowdy pulled out also for unknown reasons.The swamp is deep and dark and lord knows what will crawl out.

from trey gowdy:

Trey Gowdy‏Verified account
@TGowdySC

As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation.

[bessiedog]

This somehow feels like an attention redirection memo.

Mueller s investigation results.... and Both party’s reactions to it... will be interesting.

[lmtada]

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/a...e-rule-of-law/

QUESTION: Mr. Armstrong, I read all the words after the film. I found it interesting that the filmmaker went to the government and asked them to explain their position and nobody would appear. Instead, they just threatened NetFlix and everyone else to ban the film in the United States. It was on TV here in Canada. This really exposes how corrupt the entire system truly is and the press just goes along with this corruption. Do you think this will change anytime soon?
ANSWER: The corruption is starting to surface. There is a mysterious memorandum that Trump released that demonstrates the corruption in the FBI, which infects the courts and the Department of Justice. Naturally, the Democrats were against it because it demonstrates the conspiracy between the FBI and the Democrats.
This secret memorandum deals with investigations of the FBI in the Russia affair. Specifically, it goes to the surveillance of Carter Page, a former campaign adviser to Donald Trump. The source used to engage in surveillance of the Trump campaign was the dossier which was funded by Hillary Clinton and the Democrats and has been discredited on many levels. The FISA court which approved the FBI surveillance was never told that the dossier had been funded by the Democrats. This is what is classified as FRAUD UPON THE COURT.
“Fraud upon the court” has been defined by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals as any “attempts to, defile the court itself, or is a fraud perpetrated by officers of the court so that the judicial machinery can not perform in the usual manner its impartial task of adjudging cases.” Kenner v. C.I.R., 387 F.3d 689 (1968); 7 Moore’s Federal Practice, 2d ed., p. 512, ś 60.23. The 7th Circuit went even further stating that “a decision produced by fraud upon the court is not in essence a decision at all, and never becomes final.”
“Fraud on the court is one of the most serious violations that can occur in a court of law. If fraud on the court occurs, the effect is that the entire case is voided or cancelled. Any ruling or judgment that the court has issued will be void. The case will usually need to be retried with different court officials, often in an entirely different venue.
For the official who acted in fraud upon the court, they may very well be required to step down from their position and may even be subjected to criminal consequences like a fine or a jail sentence. It could also result in other serious consequences, such as an attorney being disbarred, or a judge being removed from service.
If a court official is found to be biased or prejudiced even before fraud occurs, they are required to excuse themselves from the case, and a different official must be appointed. In some jurisidictions, a trial tainted by fraud on the court will be vacated or set aside for a certain time period (such as two years), to be “reopened” at a later date. “
see: Source
Therefore, anyone who tries to hide the memo is conspiring with the FBI and that is actually a crime. We are witnessing the complete meltdown of the rule of law. CNN and the New York Times, of course, spin it to claim there is nothing really here. They are overlooking what was presented to the court and that is no different from an obstruction of justice claim.
Martin Armstrong

[bessiedog]

How many judges are involved in getting such a search warrant passed?

[Crankbait]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

How many judges are involved in getting such a search warrant passed?

4 judges appointed by republicans renewed the warrant/s

[bessiedog]

So.... four judges got duped ...?


Really?..... that’s either super serious... or unlikely.

We need more information.

Any other ways to scrutinize or vette the application?

[roper1]

Originally Posted by Crankbait

4 judges appointed by republicans renewed the warrant/s

Were all 4 judges part of the renewals? That seems strange or is that part of the process? At any rate, it seems to me a renewal would get less scrutiny than the original application, just human nature.

[JD848]

Originally Posted by Crankbait

from trey gowdy:

Trey Gowdy‏Verified account
@TGowdySC

As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation.

I know he said this ,this not about the Mueller deal,Trey knows there's nothing there by Mueller so let him continue and play this out.If trump goes after Mueller it will only delay other important hearings,stay close to your friends and closer to your enemy's.Gowdy could school boy you on your best day,his integrity is unmatched in all of Washington .
Whether you like it or not it is what is .He has the highest regard for the law enforcement,but will never turn and run from right and wrong even if it's the FBI OR DOJ.I didn't come here have to explain details on who said this or that,so find your own boat,if you find this hard to do then get lost.