FISA Memo Released (thoughts?)

[markg]

So the Fisa memo was released today. Please use this thread to express your thoughts on what this means.

Keep the the insults off this thread lets talk about the facts and what kind of impact this would have.

[Dick284]

Who or what is FISA?

Can you provide a link?

[sillyak]

Pretty startling. A clear bias against Trump at the highest levels.

I find it funny that the media has been talking non stop about Trump-Russia election tampering, and it finally all comes out that it was a Clinton funded fraud all along.

[Selkirk]

Originally Posted by Dick284

Who or what is FISA?

Can you provide a link?

I know what FISA is, but most people don't!

There oughta be a law about starting a thread like this, without a link!

Shame on the OP!

Selkirk

[wildbill]

From what can tell, looks like a big mess

[lmtada]

FBI needs a dismantling. The corruption in governments needs exposure. Penalties need Teeth. Oh well, we have Justin.


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We impose no qualifications to be a politician. Anyone can run for office. We are in serious trouble because we elect people who have no idea what is going on and just assume everything has been working so why change it? I have warned that the Central Banks in quantitative Easing set the stage for the next crisis. The excessive low-interest rates for nearly 10 years has undermined the pension system while all governments have borrowed like crazy never considering what happens if rates rise?
In Britain, two out of three pension funds are in the deficit. In total, some 3,710 pension schemes are in deficit according to the Pension Protection Fund watchdog. The entire Ponzi Scheme of pension is falling apart. We need crisis management right NOW and there isn’t a hope in hell of moving to such a position of a Crisis Manager. Millions of workers around the world who believed in government are going to see their futures wiped out.

There is going to have to be a NEW Cabinet position with dictatorial powers as a crisis manager. If we continue to ignore this issue, we are headed into a very serious Monetary Crisis and there is NOBODY in office that even understands the threat. So individually, we must ride this wave and to survive, we simply have to comprehend the nature of the crisis. The idiots who are in power will try to raise taxes to fill a deficit for one month. They are not addressing the crisis. This cannot be fixed by raising taxes. We need real CRISIS MANAGEMENT skills and soon.
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[Freedom55]

Originally Posted by wildbill

From what can tell, looks like a big mess

A yankee big mess. WFC?

[HighlandHeart]

Here is the memo CNN are freaking out about. No wonder the Democrats, FBI and CNN didn't want it released. Does any of this read like a threat to national security? https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Nunes-memo.pdf

[JD848]

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act ,That's what fisa stands for,it is a program given by the usa gov't to spy on national treats ,using the most updated surveillance methods to protect the usa public,from spy's,terrorists,large drug cartels etc.
It's not suppose to be use by political parties to increase there odds in an election because it is then not a democracy system,if the premier law enforcements in the country ables that political party to go after the REP'S .

Top FBI agents hated trump and tried every dirty trick in the book to make sure he would not become president.They were able to obtain a fisa warrant to go after a Tump which was highly illegal,because he is a usa citizen and they took away his rights for pirvacy and that's just the tip of the ice berg.

[2 Tollers]

Originally Posted by HighlandHeart

Here is the memo CNN are freaking out about. No wonder the Democrats, FBI and CNN didn't want it released. Does any of this read like a threat to national security? https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Nunes-memo.pdf

Reads of political manipulation by the DNC / Hilliary and cover up at high levels in Federal agencies. This is just the start. It will be interesting to see the reaction of the American people and what more falls out. You do have to wonder how the biased press - CNN, New York Times and Washington Post will put out the spin to down play this.

[JD848]

Originally Posted by 2 Tollers

Reads of political manipulation by the DNC / Hilliary and cover up at high levels in Federal agencies. This is just the start. It will be interesting to see the reaction of the American people and what more falls out. You do have to wonder how the biased press - CNN, New York Times and Washington Post will put out the spin to down play this.

I agree 100 percent,this just the beginning of how corrupt James Comey was,right after getting booted out he ran to news with memos about Trump,these were gov't memos that belonged to the FBI and was a classified piece of info,downloaded in a Fbi computer which no longer belonged to him cause he was fired,that is felony.There's ton's of stuff that is highly illegal that's going to come out,but Trump did say he was going to drain the swamp,so the first flow is going out of the dam.

[play.soccer]

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG...0129-SD001.pdf

PDF


DOJ + FBI = Deep State.

[urban rednek]

They will find a way to deflect the inquiry and eventually bury this story. The likes of Clinton and Comey are barely the tip of that iceberg.

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by wildbill

From what can tell, looks like a big mess

Canada has lots of problems, but the DSofA (Divided States of America)
is turning into the biggest Dogs-Breakfast of all time!
.

[Newview01]

Im waiting for killerpig to chime in.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Im waiting for killerpig to chime in.

[lmtada]

Originally Posted by markg

So the Fisa memo was released today. Please use this thread to express your thoughts on what this means.

Keep the the insults off this thread lets talk about the facts and what kind of impact this would have.

Worst than Nixon at Watergate. FBI needs clean house.

Martin Armstrong

Nunes Memo
Here is the Nunes memo the FBI and the Democrats did not want to be released. This confirmed that the FBI and Department of Justice abused their surveillance authority to target Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign. This describes a criminal act on the part of the FBI – FRAUD UPON THE COURT.
White House made no redactions to the memo and declassified the document “in full.” The release puts Trump at odds with the FBI Director Christopher Wray and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, both who have urged Trump not to release it for fear that it really just makes them look very bad.
The memo lays out that the very top law enforcement officials knowingly used the unverified information to convince a court to give them a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. This is no different from Watergate that took Nixon down. Here the FBI and DOJ used a court by means of FRAUD to accomplish the very same thing as what took place in Watergate and it explains a lot as to why Comey never took notes on the interview with Hillary.
The FBI expressed “grave concerns” about the memo’s release, suggesting it is inaccurate. That is to be expected. They either told the source of their information to the court or they did not. All they need to do is come forward and prove that that did inform the court the source of the info came from the Hillary campaign.
The FBI has stonewalled Congress’ demands for information for nearly a year. They have had ample time to explain but have failed to do so. They are correct insofar as the release calls into question the integrity of the FBI and DOJ, but that becomes very obvious for months.
It’s no surprise to see the FBI and DOJ issue objections to allowing the American people to see information related to surveillance abuses at these agencies. The corruption in the FBI and DOJ has infected the agencies right to the top and it is highly questionable that simply removing the head of agencies will change anything. The disease has run very deep.
What should happen is very clear. Those who argued before the court should stand for criminal charges. Then they will sing and you will get to the full scope of how bad this infection really has become.

[JD848]

Originally Posted by Newview01

Im waiting for killerpig to chime in.

His ears must be ringing about this.

[CF8889]

Left wing comes out with a mountain of proof Trump is corrupt. Right wing comes out with a mountain of proof Clinton is corrupt. Is anyone bored of argueing how their political party is the "good" one. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Hillary/Cnn are corrupt/biased, and Trump/Fox is also corrupt/biased.

Give it a week and there will be something new against Trump from the left, then a week later something new against Hillary from the right.... meanwhile millions of people will be online calling each other idiots for voting for "the corrupt" side...

[markg]

Originally Posted by CF8889

Left wing comes out with a mountain of proof Trump is corrupt. Right wing comes out with a mountain of proof Clinton is corrupt. Is anyone bored of argueing how their political party is the "good" one. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Hillary/Cnn are corrupt/biased, and Trump/Fox is also corrupt/biased.

Give it a week and there will be something new against Trump from the left, then a week later something new against Hillary from the right.... meanwhile millions of people will be online calling each other idiots for voting for "the corrupt" side...

I think you hit the nail on the head sir. However in this instance its how a dirty party is trying to falsely accuse the other side of being bad. This definately makes the DEMS look bad.

[midgetwaiter]

Originally Posted by Selkirk

I know what FISA is, but most people don't!

The most barf worthy part of this is all the TV "news" pundits that called for Edward Snowden to be hung from the nearest street lamp are now all up in arms because the criteria to get a FISA intercept warrant is so weak. This is what he was trying to call attention to! It's one of the primary reasons he did what he did.

Now we have nitwits like Nunez writing a VERY selectively edited report that hangs on this FISA warrant criteria and all of a sudden it's a problem. I can't understand why anyone watches this garbage.

[cschache]

This is just the beginning, this memo is 10% of what will be released and brought to light with in the next few months in regards to the FISA memo and all the corruption among the Democrats, DOJ, FBI leadership and the Russia investigation. Democrats are trying to spin everything. Previous administration definitely put in place key people and weaponized several departments for there benefit.

[bessiedog]

I think the politics of division and hatred is a booming business.

Hate your neighbor because he disagrees.

Hate your countrymen because they think different.


Elections should be like hockey games.
Shake hands and be civil after it.

Then both get down to the business of helping your country better it’s citizens.

People are laughing, profiting and scheming during this stupid distraction.


And the citizens lose.

[markg]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

I think the politics of division and hatred is a booming business.

Hate your neighbor because he disagrees.

Hate your countrymen because they think different.


Elections should be like hockey games.
Shake hands and be civil after it.

Then both get down to the business of helping your country better it’s citizens.

People are laughing, profiting and scheming during this stupid distraction.


And the citizens lose.

Trey Gowdy is walking away from polotics for precisely the reason your talking about. It sad to see.

[Lefty-Canuck]

Run down I saw on the internet....

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get. The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election. Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump Colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why? Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hilliary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.......

LC

[67ZL1]

Today’s release is just the start. I wonder if we’ll have our own memo drop just in time for the 2019 Federal election? One can only hope, lol

[cschache]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Run down I saw on the internet....

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get. The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election. Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump Colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why? Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hilliary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.......

LC

That's a quick over view, things still to get answers to are Benghazi, Clinton Foundation pay for play, Previous administration and Hezbollah/Iran, Uranium 1, and a few more that I cant think of but it will be interesting how deep Rosenstein, Mueller, Comey are interlocked in a lot of this when everything gets shaken down because all 3 have been apart if the FBI or DOJ in previous administrations and who from the Democratic party gets caught in these investigations.

[lmtada]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Run down I saw on the internet....

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get. The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election. Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump Colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why? Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hilliary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.......

LC

That is good.

[JD848]

When you use the powers given to you by your gov't to protect your country and then use that power against a private citizen for political gains is as severe as it gets.

Fisa was designed not to be tampered with ,with lies and deception for political gains,If it's used for the purpose not intended for,then who is next on the list,every American citizen can be abused for some thing designed to protect them and there liberties.

The ones who tampered with fisa only had one purpose in minded and that was to make sure Trump was not elected,like an insurance deal to keep him out by the top law enforcement leaders in America backed up by the DNC to keep crooked Hillary get into power and to be the new commander and chief of the USA.
One small problem occurred and that was she lost which none of them thought that was ever possible ,but it happened and this fisa memo would have never become public if she would have won has come back to haunt the DNC party.

Now the commander and chief who is Trump still has these people who he trusted to fill positions to protect him and every citizen in the usa .

Now the American people fell like there liberties specially the GOP are at risk and would have if the election was the other way around.Rod Rosenstein is the assistant deputy general who new Andrew McCabe had done this,but as soon as the fisa memo was read by the Gop and the Dem's was fired within hours and both will be fired and are in a pile of trouble.Rod Rosenstein needs to fired and charged with treason along with Andrew McCabe and the Clintons better run for the hills,if they thought Trump had it out for them before this all surfaced ,now he has the ammo to back it up.

The Russian probe was set up by many involved with this illegal fisa memo and dossier which were designed to take Trump down.The dossier was bought and paid for by HILLARY ,this really is nothing new,the GOP new 7 weeks ago that there were bias FbI members who were in on this deal to get insurance that Trump never got into power.SO what will Trump do with this mess,plus the Russians have been tampering with usa politics for decades.

I think Gowdy made his announcement to retire from politics cause Trump may have put him as top dog as deputy general taking Rosenstein's upcoming departure.

[urban rednek]

The release of the FISA Memo lends more credence to this: