Are wild (feral) horses native to North America?

[b2ornotb2]

Interesting read:

http://horsetalk.co.nz/2014/10/07/no...#axzz3y7CxbQ5u

[avb3]

No.

FERAL means they were domestic and escaped.

There are no indigenous horses in any of the Americas

[sjemac]

NO!

[HalfBreed]

Damn Spaniards!

I do like horses though.

[trapperdodge]

There were horses in NA 60 million years ago. They were wiped out like the dinosaurs.

The horses that we have here now were brought from Europe by the Spaniards as well as others. We have no indigenous horse. They are all escapees.

[b2ornotb2]

Genetically the wild horses of North America are the same as the wild horses that were here before going extinct several thousand years ago. When it comes down to it, it is more accurate to say they are a reintroduced species.

[roger]

Originally Posted by trapperdodge

There were horses in NA 60 million years ago. They were wiped out like the dinosaurs.

The horses that we have here now were brought from Europe by the Spaniards as well as others. We have no indigenous horse. They are all escapees.

Propalotherum and proto-propalotherum. The spelling maybe wrong but they had three toes and under two feet tall.
Supporting feral horses is not much different than transplanting purple loosestrife in lakes than don't have it just because there so pretty!

[b2ornotb2]

New evidence suggests that they went extinct in North America 6-7 thousand years ago (read article linked above), but the species had spread to Europe before going extinct here. Then they were reintroduced to North America in the early 1500's. Horses and humans actually coexisted in NA for a few thousand years before they went extinct.

[purgatory.sv]

Originally Posted by b2ornotb2

Genetically the wild horses of North America are the same as the wild horses that were here before going extinct several thousand years ago. When it comes down to it, it is more accurate to say they are a reintroduced species.

Originally Posted by b2ornotb2

New evidence suggests that they went extinct in North America 6-7 thousand years ago (read article linked above), but the species had spread to Europe before going extinct here. Then they were reintroduced to North America in the early 1500's. Horses and humans actually coexisted in NA for a few thousand years before they went extinct.

Only if it ends this discussion.

[roger]

Originally Posted by b2ornotb2

Genetically the wild horses of North America are the same as the wild horses that were here before going extinct several thousand years ago. When it comes down to it, it is more accurate to say they are a reintroduced species.

do you have a link to this info? The only wild horses on the planet are the phrewchalski horse's in Asia.

[b2ornotb2]

That's what I thought too, but genetically the horses of today are the same as horses that evolved in NA, the article linked at the beginning of this thread is the source of my information as well as some related articles linked at the bottom of that article.

[Rio56]

"feral" weeds , is a good description of the free roaming horses in Alberta...

[albertadeer]

Originally Posted by roger

do you have a link to this info? The only wild horses on the planet are the phrewchalski horse's in Asia.

Pretty sure there were a few species of wild horses in Alberta.

I have a couple petrified horse teeth from up around GP

[hayseed]

Good lord here we go again...

I says knock the numbers back and let's eat. Way to many of them out west!!

[Rio56]

Originally Posted by hayseed

Good lord here we go again...

I says knock the numbers back and let's eat. Way to many of them out west!!

lol..you look relaxed and ready in that chair ....

[purgatory.sv]

Originally Posted by b2ornotb2

Interesting read:

http://horsetalk.co.nz/2014/10/07/no...#axzz3y7CxbQ5u

http://horsetalk.co.nz/2014/10/07/no...#axzz3y7CxbQ5u

After the original link, any movement will bring you too many more links.

Propaganda is present everwhere, now show me the money.

[purgatory.sv]

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[antlercarver]

If there was horses here a thousand years ago there would be a word for horse in the native languages. After horses were introduced natives came up with a description like "big dog" they had a word for dog.

[albertadeer]

Originally Posted by antlercarver

If there was horses here a thousand years ago there would be a word for horse in the native languages. After horses were introduced natives came up with a description like "big dog" they had a word for dog.

Then where do all the prehistoric horse remains come from? Anywhere from 5000-25000 years old and even older? Did the Spanish bring those over?

[albertadeer]

http://www.canadiangeographic.ca/magazine/ma05/indepth/

[histyle]

No. Period, end of story. The feral horses around the Sundre area, are those that the likes of my grandfather, Bob Kjos, Rex Logan etc. couldn't catch before winter when they let them go in the backcountry for summer grazing. Some survived, and started the population that remains out there today. Those horses are as feral as hogs to this part of North America.

[cdmc]

Originally Posted by albertadeer

Pretty sure there were a few species of wild horses in Alberta.

I have a couple petrified horse teeth from up around GP

In the past yes. The przewalski horse as a sub species is the only surviving wild(not domesticated) bloodline.

Every horse alive today in NAME derives it's blood line from domestic horses of some kind at some time some the conquistadors.

End of story.

[cfricker]

There is an island off of Nova Scotia called Sable Island. Horses are not native to it, but were put there at some time in history I forget the details. Anywho, there are a ton of wild horses here now the whole island is just wild horses. It's pretty neat if you want to read up on it. There are no settlements there or anything just a couple houses that people stay at when they visit or research.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by cfricker

There is an island off of Nova Scotia called Sable Island. Horses are not native to it, but were put there at some time in history I forget the details. Anywho, there are a ton of wild horses here now the whole island is just wild horses. It's pretty neat if you want to read up on it. There are no settlements there or anything just a couple houses that people stay at when they visit or research.

I thought they swam ashore fro Shipwrecks?
Cat

[Red Bullets]

Originally Posted by roger

do you have a link to this info? The only wild horses on the planet are the phrewchalski horse's in Asia.

There might be another original wild hose breed. The fjord horse is one of the oldest purest horse breeds going back to the ice age in Norway.

I too found a big horse tooth when I was a kid. Sent it to the university archaeologist and they sent me a letter telling me it was from about 10,000 years ago. Considered to be from Equus, which is known as modern horse.

[mrcrossbow]

on a sorta related topic. is it legal to shoot the "wild horses" at any time year. i remeber eating horse when i went to italy many years ago, my grand father raised them for eating. wouldnt mind eating again,would sure cut down on buying meat from store, price of beef is crazy

[Ruger99]

Them horses need to be addressed !!! They are pushing all the elk out of some areas and I have been charged by a few as well they are starting to be a real problem . But heaven forbid anyone says that some people get way to aggressive about it . They are no different then any other animal that has exceeded its natural Healthy heard limits why and when will something be done about this ?

Any suggestions on what people could do about this issue ?

[IR_mike]

Originally Posted by Ruger99

Them horses need to be addressed !!! They are pushing all the elk out of some areas and I have been charged by a few as well they are starting to be a real problem . But heaven forbid anyone says that some people get way to aggressive about it . They are no different then any other animal that has exceeded its natural Healthy heard limits why and when will something be done about this ?

Any suggestions on what people could do about this issue ?

3 S's or at least 2 of them.

[Xbolt7mm]

Originally Posted by histyle

No. Period, end of story. The feral horses around the Sundre area, are those that the likes of my grandfather, Bob Kjos, Rex Logan etc. couldn't catch before winter when they let them go in the backcountry for summer grazing. Some survived, and started the population that remains out there today. Those horses are as feral as hogs to this part of North America.

And should have a bounty on them too

[cfricker]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

I thought they swam ashore fro Shipwrecks?
Cat

You might be right. I forget the details it has been a while.