Go Back   Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum > Main Category > Guns & Ammo Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-17-2019, 12:35 PM
Moreland Moreland is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Red Deer County
Posts: 108
Default Sighting in a hunting rifle??

What's the best way to sight in a hunting rifle?? Should I be shooting it off of my bipod, on a sandbag or on my lead sled?? I've sighted in lots of rifles before but just want to make sure I'm doing it the best way possible for those longer range shots while in the field.

Thanks.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-17-2019, 01:01 PM
Homesteader's Avatar
Homesteader Homesteader is offline
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: West of Edmonton
Posts: 2,282
Default

Going with your bipod and shooting from a sitting position sounds best.

I’m assuming you aren’t shooting from a bench in the field with a lead sled or sand bags. They will all work to get you close, but you really need trigger time with the load you will use, in the conditions and at the ranges you will use the rifle at.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-17-2019, 01:36 PM
Dick284's Avatar
Dick284 Dick284 is offline
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Dreadful Valley
Posts: 14,586
Default

Are you practicing with a proven load, or are you doing load development?

Practice how you hunt. Bipod, or sling, or tree etc.

Remove all or as many human variables if developing loads, or finding a “best” load. Bags and a sturdy bench.
__________________


There are no absolutes
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-17-2019, 01:52 PM
elkhunter11 elkhunter11 is online now
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Camrose
Posts: 44,842
Default

I sight in off of bags and a rest, and then practise using my Trigger sticks tripod.
__________________
Only accurate guns are interesting.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-17-2019, 02:26 PM
45-70sapper 45-70sapper is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 330
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by elkhunter11 View Post
I sight in off of bags and a rest, and then practise using my Trigger sticks tripod.
That’s the way to go. Sight in in the most stable way possible. Usually off of a bench or in the prone with bags etc. Once your point of aim matches your expected point of impact, practice shooting from different positions you could be required to use in the field.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-17-2019, 03:10 PM
Moreland Moreland is offline
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Red Deer County
Posts: 108
Default

Thanks for the info guys. I was shooting at the range trying to get it sighted in off of my bipod and I was groping good, just not as tight as I would have liked (that's my own human error), maybe next time I'll take out the lead sled and see what it'll do like that but I'll continue my practice for hunting season how I'll be using it.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-17-2019, 03:34 PM
West O'5 West O'5 is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: W5
Posts: 1,093
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by elkhunter11 View Post
I sight in off of bags and a rest, and then practise using my Trigger sticks tripod.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 45-70sapper View Post
That’s the way to go. Sight in in the most stable way possible. Usually off of a bench or in the prone with bags etc. Once your point of aim matches your expected point of impact, practice shooting from different positions you could be required to use in the field.
This and this^^
For strictly sighting in,you want the most rock solid stable rest possible to help eliminate the human error factor.
Once you’re satisfied that the gun itself is on target you can work on your own shooting skills.
It’s amazing(and a bit disturbing) how many guys I’ve seen over the years go out to gravel pit to “sight-in” a new rifle or new scope,take a knee and fire 3 shots offhand into a 4” group and declare their rifle “bang on/good to go”......kinda makes me cringe!!
__________________
The toughest thing about waiting for the zombie apocalypse is pretending that I'm not excited.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-17-2019, 03:38 PM
Sooner Sooner is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 9,650
Default

We have a great spot to shoot out to 250 yrds if need be out at our go to crown land zone. Dead end road with an empty camp site berm along the trees.


I like to sight in from a good rest/table and my lead sled, squeeze off a couple shots. Walk up and check the target, mark holes and walk back to let the barrel cool. Try again. If the group is good, I stop as it only gets worse the more I try lol. At least I know the rifle is doing it's job. The rest is up to me depending on the situation I find myself in out in the woods.

I don't reload, off the shelf box of shells for me and I don't expect great groupings from the over the counter shells but the ole savage lever has a tough scope and keeps a good group year after year. If i miss, it's almost always me, not the rifle.

Last edited by Sooner; 07-17-2019 at 03:52 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-17-2019, 05:32 PM
marky_mark marky_mark is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,701
Default

lead sleds can give you a different zero because they are stopping the rifle from recoiling freely
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-17-2019, 05:57 PM
Redneck 7 Redneck 7 is offline
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: The best place on earth.
Posts: 1,654
Default

I use a rear bag and bipod. Works for me. My load development or even just zeroing a rifle, that’s all I use. On my pump rifles I use bags up front because bipods don’t work.
__________________
Life’s a garden, Dig it! - Joe Dirt
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 07-17-2019, 06:02 PM
elkhunter11 elkhunter11 is online now
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Camrose
Posts: 44,842
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by marky_mark View Post
lead sleds can give you a different zero because they are stopping the rifle from recoiling freely
Exactly!
__________________
Only accurate guns are interesting.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 07-17-2019, 06:19 PM
marky_mark marky_mark is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,701
Default

try shooting off of bags then put a bipod on
unless your preloading it and the legs arent sliding/skipping
Your zero wont be in the same spot
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 07-17-2019, 06:41 PM
Kurt505 Kurt505 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Communist state
Posts: 13,245
Default

How accurate do you need to be? I always wear a back pack or fanny pack when I’m hunting and normally shoot off of those in the field. When I’m sighting in at my cabin I usually use a bag to sight in. In the field there’s a thousand different scenarios that could happen, but the majority of the time I can use my pack so shooting off of bags is a good bet for me.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 07-17-2019, 07:42 PM
270person 270person is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 6,496
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by marky_mark View Post
lead sleds can give you a different zero because they are stopping the rifle from recoiling freely


Not a bunch if you don't weight them.
__________________
You matter. Unless you multiply yourself by the speed of light squared... ...then you energy.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 07-17-2019, 07:50 PM
Pathfinder76 Pathfinder76 is online now
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 15,773
Default

__________________
“I love it when clients bring Berger bullets. It means I get to kill the bear.”

-Billy Molls
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 07-17-2019, 07:55 PM
marky_mark marky_mark is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 5,701
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 270person View Post
Not a bunch if you don't weight them.
What’s the point of a lead sled if your not adding weight?
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 07-17-2019, 09:57 PM
270person 270person is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 6,496
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by marky_mark View Post
What’s the point of a lead sled if your not adding weight?

Steady consistent rest that takes away a lot of the human error. I'm not looking for recoil suppression and thats really the only reason to weight one. I wouldn't use one weighted with my larger bores due to the torque created and risk of stock damage. I use bags and other rests too but theres nothing wrong with a supported front and rear with mechanical elevation adjustments. It's not like the rifles are locked into place.

I have yet to find a front rest I'm not constantly adjusting, fluffing up, squeezing for height and generally comfortable behind. Will be going to something similar to what 260 uses in the near future so I maintain the front elevation consistency but get more natural positioning at the back end.

Plus it makes a half arse vice for cleaning and other tinkering and I got it used for a song.
__________________
You matter. Unless you multiply yourself by the speed of light squared... ...then you energy.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 07-18-2019, 07:26 AM
icehunter's Avatar
icehunter icehunter is offline
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 715
Default

Bags and a bench. Then practise the same way you shoot out in the field.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 07-18-2019, 03:21 PM
6.5 shooter's Avatar
6.5 shooter 6.5 shooter is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Medicine Hat
Posts: 4,205
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moreland View Post
Thanks for the info guys. I was shooting at the range trying to get it sighted in off of my bipod and I was groping good, just not as tight as I would have liked (that's my own human error), maybe next time I'll take out the lead sled and see what it'll do like that but I'll continue my practice for hunting season how I'll be using it.
Throw your lead sled in the garbage.
__________________
Trades I would interested in:
- Sightron rifle scopes, 4.5x14x42mm or 4x16x42mm
especially! with the HHR reticle. (no duplex pls.)
- older 6x fixed scopes with fine X or target dot.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 07-18-2019, 08:09 PM
dave99 dave99 is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Jasper
Posts: 835
Default Sighting in a hunting rifle??

Confession time: I use a non-weighted lead sled for load development. I then confirm my zero shooting off my backpack, prone. Nothing beats lots of trigger time in field positions. I also find it more fun to practice and hone my skill, rather than parking myself on the bench.

I have yet to notice any appreciable POI change between lead sled and the field position shooting, in ranges up to 600yds.

There is a lot that I like about load workup with a lead sled. The main thing that I dislike is the containment of the recoil pad, such that the lead sled sits between the recoil pad and my shoulder. This makes me lose the feel of the rifle, if that makes sense. I have toyed with the idea of using a hacksaw to cut away this part of my lead sled.

As many have mentioned, a weighted sled can ruin a stock, so beware.

To the OP’s original question on sight in for a relatively inexperienced shooter. Here is what I recommend (other than lots of practice):

- buy or load at least 40 rounds of the same lot and type of ammo
- practice dry firing from various positions until you consistently know when the trigger is going to break
- find a comfortable and steady position at the shooting range and dry fire some more. Position may be prone off bipod, backpack, seated at bench with bags, bench with lead sled, etc. The point is that the position should be steady enough that the crosshairs move less than, say, 2 inches at 100yds. Ideally 1 inch or less.
- Fire a 5-shot group at whatever range you would like as your zero range. I shoot 200yds. Mark any known fliers, and disregard them. Mark the average POI based upon the 5 shot group
- correct your sights accordingly. Fire another group 3-5 shots to confirm zero
- Shoot a few other groups from field hunting positions to confirm again
- go hunt!




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Last edited by dave99; 07-18-2019 at 08:24 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 07-18-2019, 08:23 PM
roper1 roper1 is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Strathmore
Posts: 5,573
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 270person View Post
Steady consistent rest that takes away a lot of the human error. I'm not looking for recoil suppression and thats really the only reason to weight one. I wouldn't use one weighted with my larger bores due to the torque created and risk of stock damage. I use bags and other rests too but theres nothing wrong with a supported front and rear with mechanical elevation adjustments. It's not like the rifles are locked into place.

I have yet to find a front rest I'm not constantly adjusting, fluffing up, squeezing for height and generally comfortable behind. Will be going to something similar to what 260 uses in the near future so I maintain the front elevation consistency but get more natural positioning at the back end.

Plus it makes a half arse vice for cleaning and other tinkering and I got it used for a song.
^^^
__________________
If you're not a Liberal when you're young, you have no heart. If you're not a Conservative when you're old, you have no brain. Winston Churchill

You can, you should, & if you're brave enough to start, you will. Stephen King
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 07-18-2019, 09:14 PM
lyallpeder lyallpeder is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 1,575
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Moreland View Post
What's the best way to sight in a hunting rifle?? Should I be shooting it off of my bipod, on a sandbag or on my lead sled?? I've sighted in lots of rifles before but just want to make sure I'm doing it the best way possible for those longer range shots while in the field.

Thanks.
No question you should be sightings in from the most stable position possible. If you have a slead use it if not use a sand bag. You’re trying to take your human error out of it. After that it’s a good idea to practice from your hunting shooting position.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 07-18-2019, 09:21 PM
catnthehat's Avatar
catnthehat catnthehat is offline
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Ft. McMurray
Posts: 38,530
Default

I use a Hart front bench rest and Bald Eagleb rear bag to work up loads and zero my rifles but then shoot them from the sand positions I would use in the field - probe of s pack, using a walking staff as a rest, etc.
For my big game rifles I zero at 200 meters then check the point of impact at 300 and 100.
Cat
__________________
Anytime I figure I've got this long range thing figured out, I just strap into the sling and irons and remind myself that I don't!
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 07-19-2019, 01:57 PM
Sogseal Sogseal is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 66
Default

Can someone explain the issue with using a lead sled for sight in? Perhaps i used it wrong; the rifle is just resting on and against it, not strapped down or anything. The recoil against the supported butt end is too high in some cases or what? Thx

Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 07-19-2019, 02:23 PM
ceedub's Avatar
ceedub ceedub is offline
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Lamont
Posts: 861
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sogseal View Post
Can someone explain the issue with using a lead sled for sight in? Perhaps i used it wrong; the rifle is just resting on and against it, not strapped down or anything. The recoil against the supported butt end is too high in some cases or what? Thx

Sent from my SM-G950W using Tapatalk
I've never had an issue, and have used a lead sled (no weight) for years to sight in all my rifles and for load development.

Craig

Sent from my SM-A505W using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 07-19-2019, 02:39 PM
6.5 shooter's Avatar
6.5 shooter 6.5 shooter is offline
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Medicine Hat
Posts: 4,205
Default

Wood stock rifles tend to break at the wrist, especially heavy kickers. Rifles are not meant to be locked down and fired...Newtons law.. for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...the recoil has to go somewhere.. if not into your shoulder then it goes into the stock, the action screws, the recoil lung or....
__________________
Trades I would interested in:
- Sightron rifle scopes, 4.5x14x42mm or 4x16x42mm
especially! with the HHR reticle. (no duplex pls.)
- older 6x fixed scopes with fine X or target dot.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 07-20-2019, 10:08 AM
gtr gtr is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Manitoba
Posts: 1,529
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ceedub View Post
I've never had an issue, and have used a lead sled (no weight) for years to sight in all my rifles and for load development.

Craig

Sent from my SM-A505W using Tapatalk
Seems some people have difficult time with tools. Only stocks I have personally seen that are broken, were caused by a fall.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 07-20-2019, 12:00 PM
Foxton Gundogs's Avatar
Foxton Gundogs Foxton Gundogs is offline
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Cedar B.C.
Posts: 187
Default

I sight in all my rifles from the bench with a solid rest. You want the best possible results when sighting in, then once you know your rifle is bang on the mark practice with different "hunting" shooting positions, that way you know what your rifle is capable of and also what you are capable of in real field situations.
__________________
"BORN to HUNT"
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 07-20-2019, 12:54 PM
270person 270person is offline
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 6,496
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter View Post
Wood stock rifles tend to break at the wrist, especially heavy kickers. Rifles are not meant to be locked down and fired...Newtons law.. for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...the recoil has to go somewhere.. if not into your shoulder then it goes into the stock, the action screws, the recoil lung or....


Lead sled isn't locked down and if you don't weight it there shouldn't be any issues. I really like mine for zeroing my 22's and hmr's and there's zero risk there.

Used it up to 7mm non weighted and again zero issues. Don't expect any with my larger bores either.

The only thing I don't care for is the padding can't be firmly secured to the frame and they harden up pretty good as well.
__________________
You matter. Unless you multiply yourself by the speed of light squared... ...then you energy.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 07-20-2019, 01:13 PM
calgarychef calgarychef is offline
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 6,667
Default

I broke a stock on a lead sled. Someone earlier said “throw it away” I concur.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:59 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.