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Old 02-01-2012, 12:00 PM
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The story says it all!

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Old 02-01-2012, 12:11 PM
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I hope he beats all these stupid charges. Sad state this country is in when the prosecute someone for defending himself.
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Old 02-01-2012, 12:43 PM
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NO kidding. not sure i would not have just shoot the fire bombers my self instead of just scareing them away. my 2 cents
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Old 02-01-2012, 01:05 PM
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Anyone know the back story on this case as to what this guy did to have people fire bombing his house?

Pretty crazy they want to prosecute this guy...he should get an award for only shooting at their feet.
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Duplicate thread, see here:

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=120213
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Old 02-01-2012, 03:55 PM
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If so, then this is worth repeating, too:


Tuesday, scheduled to be the last day of the trial, started with assistant Crown attorney Robert Mahler attacking Mr. Thomson’s credibility.

He said Mr. Thomson concocted an improbable sequence of events to explain away the likelihood that he had kept loaded handguns ready in his bedside table because he was involved in a neighbour dispute that was boiling over, and not, as he maintains, locked away in a safe.

“This story you’ve given, this sequence you’ve given simply couldn’t be done,” said Mr. Mahler.

“That’s what happened,” replied Mr. Thomson.

“If those guns were in my bedside table,” Mr. Thomson said, he would not have needed to run out the front door to shoot, once the firebombs started landing on his house. “I would have used that gun right there, through the bedroom window. I wouldn’t have hesitated… when I noticed a masked assassin outside my house.”

Mr. Mahler said Mr. Thomson was “less than forthcoming” and “secretive” when police arrived,trying to hide the fact he had frightened off his attackers by firing a gun.

Mr. Mahler suggested Mr. Thomson even picked up the spent shell casings from his porch after he fired his gun and took them inside to hide them in his bedside table.

Seeming confused, Mr. Thomson said he didn’t understand.

“Didn’t they fall to the ground?” Mr. Mahler asked, apparently thinking shell casings from a .38-calibre revolver were ejected from the gun with each shot, similar to casings that spit out of a semi-automatic handgun, as is typically seen on TV.

“No,” said Mr. Thomson as the crowd of gun advocates watching from the public gallery chuckled and guffawed atMr. Mahler’s mistake.

Spent shellsfrom a .38 remain in the gun’s cylinder until it is opened and they are removed. Mr. Thomson took the casings out at the same time he opened the gun to reload it, which was at the bedside table, where the casings were when police arrived,hesaid.

It was during Mr. Mahler’s closing arguments that questions of what exactly the gun laws mean came into focus.

Mr. Thomson had testified he had 61 rounds of ammunition in his bedside table but that his guns were locked away.

Mr. Mahler argued that even if everything Mr. Thomson said was true, he was still guilty of unsafe storage of his gun because the prosecutor’s interpretation of the Criminal Code was that the gun must be locked up “and” the ammunition must not be readily accessible, unless it too is stored in a secure container.

That interpretation took Mr. Thomson’s lawyer, Ed Burlew, by surprise. He is one of Ontario’s primary gun-law lawyers, having fought more than 600 gun cases.




It looked to me like both the po-lice and the prosecutor thought they had some "smoking gun" physical evidence because the spent casings from Mr. Thomson's revolver were not found on the ground where he fired the shots and, therefore, he must have moved them in an attempt to cover his tracks.

OMG!

Don't even get me started on these stupid Prescribed Storage Laws...
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NO kidding. not sure i would not have just shoot the fire bombers my self instead of just scareing them away. my 2 cents
Yup... Dead men make poor witnesses
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Any new news on this?
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Old 02-01-2012, 07:10 PM
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I hope this moron Mahler looses this case and his job. The next case this moron tries may actually be one where the perp should be in jail. It would be a tragedy for his incompetence to put the public in danger.
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Default Here's the surveillance video in case you missed it.They sure look like "victims" don't they?

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Old 02-02-2012, 06:40 AM
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NATIONAL POST - FEBRUARY 1, 2012
EDITORIAL: Bring back the right to self-defence


On Monday, Ian Thomson of Port Colborne, Ont., went on trial on two charges
of unsafe storage of a firearm, relating to a well-publicized self-defence
incident. In the early-morning hours of Aug. 22, 2010, Mr. Thomson was at
home when three masked men, shouting death threats, attacked his house with
firebombs, hurling them at the house and through his windows, injuring one
of Mr. Thomson's pet dogs, and igniting a fire on his property. Mr. Thomson,
a trained firearms instructor, armed himself with a properly registered
.38-calibre firearm and fired three warning shots, driving off the attackers
without causing injury or risk to anyone.

Four men were later arrested and charged with arson (yet not, strangely, for
attempted murder or assault with a deadly weapon) for the attack, thought to
be related to a long-running property dispute between Mr. Thomson and his
neighbour. But Mr. Thomson himself was then arrested and charged with the
counts of unsafe storage of a firearm, as well as unsafe use of a firearm
and pointing a firearm. The Crown dropped the latter, more serious charges
in 2011 due to the lack of any probability of securing a conviction. (The
entire attack was recorded by security cameras installed by Mr. Thomson, and
clearly showed that his use of a firearm was a legitimate act of
self-defence.) If found guilty of the lesser charges, he could still be
imprisoned for two years.

It is the Crown's insistence that the handguns Mr. Thomson armed himself
with during the assault on his home - only one of which was fired during the
incident - were "improperly stored." Under the Firearms Act, a restricted
firearm such as a handgun must be stored unloaded, separate from ammunition,
and disabled with a trigger lock or similar locking mechanism. (Unloaded
restricted firearms may be stored with their ammunition within a secure
locking device, such as a safe.) The Crown contends that since, upon the
arrival of police, two loaded handguns were found in the open, they were not
stored in compliance with the law. It was also suggested that it is unlikely
that the handguns were ever properly stored, given how rapidly the video of
the assault shows Mr. Thomson engaging his attackers.

In his defence, Mr. Thomson's contends that after driving off the attackers,
he loaded a second firearm, to be used as a last resort, and left it in his
home before stepping outside, while armed with the first handgun, to use a
fire hose to fight fires set during the attack. The defence also entered
into evidence a video recreation of the attack, showing that Mr. Thomson, as
a trained a firearms instructor, was fully capable of arming himself with a
heretofore properly stored unloaded firearm within mere seconds, contrary to
the Crown's contention.

It is cases such as these that have led Canada's lawful firearms owners to
infer that police and Crown attorneys have an agenda to stifle even
legitimate instances of self-defence by always pressing ahead with lesser
charges. Having correctly concluded that Mr. Thomson could not be charged
for serious firearms related offences, the Crown now seeks to make him a
criminal and potentially send him to prison - and certainly seize his
firearms - because having just survived an extremely violent assault, he
chose not to unload his firearms and return them to storage before police
arrived.

What reasonable person in such a situation would disarm themselves before
the arrival of police? Mr. Thomson didn't know whether his attackers would
be returning - or when, or even if, the police would arrive. Moreover, given
that the most serious charges against Mr. Thomson were dropped once it
became clear that Mr. Thomson was indeed acting reasonably with force
necessary to protect his life and property, why else would the Crown insist
on pushing ahead with lesser, related charges if not to send a message that
even legitimate self-defence is frowned upon by the state? A not-guilty
verdict in this case will not be enough. Mr. Thomson should never have been
charged in the first place.

The federal government, in part due to public outcry relating to Mr.
Thomson's case and other similar stories, has promised to review the myriad
laws that serve to make self-defence cases so complex and difficult. This
would be a welcome step. A reformed criminal code must include robust
protection for law-abiding citizens forced, by circumstances, to use a
legally owned firearm in self-defence against intruders or would-be
intruders. Mr. Thomson has already been a victim of one attack. The
government has no business now subjecting him to an assault upon his
liberty.


http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/...358/story.html
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Old 02-02-2012, 06:43 AM
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NATIONAL POST - FEBRURY 1, 2012
The 'crime' of protecting yourself by Lorne Gunter


Just when was Ian Thomson guilty of unsafe storage of a firearm? Mr. Thomson
is the Port Colborne, Ont., man currently standing trial in a Welland, Ont.
courtroom after he and his home were attacked by firebombers in August,
2010. (That's correct, in the topsy-turvy world of Canadian criminal
justice, Mr. Thomson and his home were the ones attacked and yet he is the
one on trial.) Having dropped other more serious charges - such as dangerous
use of a firearm - because they concluded there was no reasonable chance of
winning a conviction, Crown prosecutors have nonetheless bullied ahead with
unsafe storage charges against Mr. Thomson.

One can only speculate on the Crown's motives, but many prosecutors are so
opposed to private citizens owning guns and, especially, using guns to
defend themselves, their loved ones or property, that it is easy to believe
prosecutors are running Mr. Thomson through the ringer in an attempt to
discourage other homeowners from following his lead. They have conceded they
cannot get a conviction against the retired crane operator and former
firearms instructor for shooting at the three men who were trying to burn
down his house with him in it, but perhaps they are hopeful their decision
to drag Mr. Thomson through months of emotionally draining and expensive
court proceedings will cause other homeowners to conclude armed self-defence
isn't worth the hassle.

But back to my original question: Just when was Ian Thomson guilty of unsafe
storage? Was it when three masked thugs began lobbing Molotov cocktails at
his secluded rural home, while also shouting death threats in a pre-dawn
assault? That's when he ran to his locked gun safe, retrieved one of his
legally registered pistols and loaded it with ammunition. Or was he guilty
of unsafe storage when one of the bombs set fire to his veranda and another
broke through his kitchen window? That's when he went outside and fired
three times - once at the feet and twice over the heads of his attackers -
in a successful attempt to ward them off. Or was he guilty of unsafe storage
when he then ran back into his home, got a second locked-up gun, loaded it
and left it on his bed? Not knowing whether his attackers would return, he
wanted to be sure he was prepared, so he decided to fortify his bedroom as
his last line of defence. Was that unsafe in prosecutors' opinion?

Perhaps prosecutors feel it was unsafe that Mr. Thomson - again, wary that
his attackers might come back - tucked the first pistol in the waistband of
his pajamas while he went outside and used a garden hose to the extinguish
the fire on his porch and another that was burning his dogs' kennel. Perhaps
they believe he should have returned his weapons to their safe before
turning on the hose. Let the house burn rather than violate Canada's
obsessive gun laws.

Prosecutors have concocted a theory that Mr. Thomson must have had his two
pistols loaded and in his nightstand before the attack began because, to
their minds, he never had enough time once the gasoline bombs began raining
down to go to his safe, unlock it, remove his pistols, load and fire them.
Recall, though, Mr. Thomson is a former firearms trainer, experienced with
the operation and handling of pistols. On Monday he and his lawyer used a
video to demonstrate for the court that he was certainly capable of
retrieving his guns from safe storage and loading them in the time
available. (So much for the Crown's theory.) But even if we accept that the
Crown's version is not merely a desperate, hole-riddled
stretch-of-the-imagination to justify its 17-month persecution of an
innocent man, what would have been unsafe about keeping a gun in a bedside
table in an area where police admit it can take 15 minutes or longer to
respond to emergency calls?

The safe-storage provisions of the Criminal Code - passed at the same time
the gun registry was made law - are so poorly drafted that they permit
prosecutors to go after any gun owner who so much as takes his firearm out
of its case to admire it. Few unsafe-storage charges stick; judges tend to
throw them out. So they have largely become bludgeons prosecutors can use to
intimidate lawful gun owners. Just ask Ian Thomson.

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Mr. Mahler argued that even if everything Mr. Thomson said was true, he was still guilty of unsafe storage of his gun because the prosecutor’s interpretation of the Criminal Code was that the gun must be locked up “and” the ammunition must not be readily accessible, unless it too is stored in a secure container.

That interpretation took Mr. Thomson’s lawyer, Ed Burlew, by surprise. He is one of Ontario’s primary gun-law lawyers, having fought more than 600 gun cases.[/I]



It looked to me like both the po-lice and the prosecutor thought they had some "smoking gun" physical evidence because the spent casings from Mr. Thomson's revolver were not found on the ground where he fired the shots and, therefore, he must have moved them in an attempt to cover his tracks.

OMG!

Don't even get me started on these stupid Prescribed Storage Laws...
That interpretation wouldn't really hold water on consideration by a judge or appeals court. Even if storage laws dictated that ammunition is to be stored securely there is no argument that it can't be stored in the safe next to the gun. Meaning if he had time to get his gun out he'd have ammunition right there too.
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Old 02-02-2012, 01:36 PM
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Just one more reason C68 needs to be flushed.

It is nice to see how much publicity the stupidity that is C68 is finally getting in the media. Too bad it didn't happen a couple billion dollars ago.
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