Bringing Gun Powder across the Border from the USA

[32-40win]

A seemingly common mistake people make on this subject, is the thought that they are importing the product to Canada, which is only part of the process. The other part, is that the product has to be exported from the other country first. The import side occurs when it crosses the Cdn border, the export occurs in the other country, and is regulated by that country, not Canada.
Therefore, you have to know the export laws of the country you are exporting from, and the laws of the country you are importing to.
The ITAR regs in the US cover exporting from the US and non-resident alien possession of ITAR regulated goods, while in the US. It isn't just reloading components and guns and scopes covered in it. It's also stuff you may not think of twice, design drawings, electrical components & drawings, parts & parts literature, service literature, that a US citizen or a non-resident alien can get prosecuted for, even for faxing or e-mailing outside the country, within the same company, or to a contractor. Other people may call that espionage, or supporting terrorism.
A Canadian citizen down there on a trip, is a non-resident alien in the US.
Reloading components are an ITAR regulated product. And that is the law you need to know about, in the country you want to export from.

[hunter270win]

Check out this link. Very plain English, yet very vague when it says "other defense articles." Go to the ITAR website for legal definitions I guess.

http://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/local-me...ts-firearms-us


Hope it helps.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by CptnBlues63

It's nice that you think so but as per my 2nd response on that other thread, don't just tell me it's illegal, show me some links!

I don't want to risk doing something illegal in the US so I did research several years back when I brought some ammo home from the US. Go read my second response on the other thread, I don't want to type it all out again........LOL

Also, pay attention to what fordtruckin is saying.

Dude.

[CptnBlues63]

Originally Posted by qwert

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulati...R_Part_121.pdf

https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/licensin...ences-or2.html

Google "DDTC", "ITAR", "munitions list", "export of", in various combinations.

I hope this is helpful.

Thanks for the links, it's very helpful. Some seriously heavy reading there so I'm going to go through it all later. Before reading anything else, I'm going to read up on ITAR and follow some of the links from there. I've booked marked the others you've posted.

After a quick perusal though I can tell you I won't be bringing ammo home again. Just some fishing equipment and cigars

[32-40win]

This is posted into the "reloading for beginners" sticky on pg 3, it is a bit more directed to the appropriate sections;


Another piece of info that needs to be here in the sticky;
US Export Regs;

This is the ITAR reg link to the US Munition list, covered under ITAR and the export controls regulations. Have a look at Category III, (f)1 & (f)3. (f)3 covers reloading equipt, which is exempt from the regs;

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulati...AR_Part121.pdf

and this part tells you what the bad news is if you should happen to get caught in a checkstop on the US side of the border;

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulati...AR_Part127.pdf

and if you really want to read the whole act;

http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulati...solidated.html

There are places that will export cartridge components, such as bullets and brass. I have only run across two sites so far, myself. Have not used them, others have, to get certain components that seem to be unavailable thru anyone up here.

http://www.cheyennebrass.com/

http://reloadinginternational.com/catalog/index.php

[qwert]

Originally Posted by CptnBlues63

Thanks for the links, it's very helpful. Some seriously heavy reading there so I'm going to go through it all later. Before reading anything else, I'm going to read up on ITAR and follow some of the links from there. I've booked marked the others you've posted.

After a quick perusal though I can tell you I won't be bringing ammo home again. Just some fishing equipment and cigars

I am happy that you found the links helpful, I must admit that I posted them somewhat 'tongue in cheek' in an attempt to inform you of the complexity of the problem and to counter the all to common misinformation that Canadian laws and regulation are the only problem. I have only skimmed them myself.

Anybody who travels needs to be aware that 'in their sandbox, they make the rules'. Even a superficial reading of the links will show that there are hidden gotchas that place anybody at risk of unintentional violation and the consequences could be both severe and expensive. Many people have concluded that the US is now a fully developed police state and their informed opinion has caused me to avoid any cross border travel, which is sad because I have had many pleasurable visits in the past.

FT seems to be a reasonable guy who I am sure I would like to meet on this side of the line, but I would caution him to also be careful when he crosses the line to visit. I am sure he knows not to bring his firearms without getting our paperwork, but if he returns without his ITAR scope he could be in big trouble back home. A strict interpretation of the rules may require him to take his (exported) fired brass back with him, (but his temp PAL allows him to purchase ammo in Canada). Similarly we need to be very careful before asking a southern friend or relative (or small business) to send us something that is easily available for them but expensive or hard to get here. Larger businesses often have specialist clerks to handle international shipments and they are knowledgeable and experienced, Brownells and Grafs are very good.

Canadians who travel south to shoot can get permits for their guns and ammo, but they cannot replace the ammo they shoot, and if they win a case of trap shells at a meet they cannot take possession or bring them back.

I hope those cigars aren't Cuban.
Good Luck,