Official Oilers news thread - Page 62

JBE · #**1831** 05-15-2023, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Has there ever been a player to put up as many points as Draisaitl, and yet have a plus/minus as low? It doesn't matter how many goals he scores, if he costs the team even more goals.

I would be curious of all the points he gets how many were with Mcdavid. Would he do anywhere near as good without Mcdavid either feeding him or scoring with an assist going to him.

elkhunter11 · #**1832** 05-15-2023, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by brendan's dad

Great season and was fun being a fan this year. Final 4 last year and final 8 this year. Not too shabby.

And Elk...Really? You haven't posted on this thread in months and as soon as they are eliminated you show up to rub salt in the wound and tell us everything that went wrong. I guess misery really does love company.

I sat back and listened to the hype about how Edmonton was going to win the cup because of McDavid and Draisaitl, and waited for it to be proven once again, that you don't win the Stanley Cup without quality defense and goaltending. And once again, it was proven. While having the top two goalscorers is exciting, it takes more to win a Stanley Cup.

brendan's dad · #**1833** 05-15-2023, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

I sat back and listened to the hype about how Edmonton was going to win the cup because of McDavid and Draisaitl, and waited for it to be proven once again, that you don't win the Stanley Cup without quality defense and goaltending. And once again, it was proven. While having the top two goalscorers is exciting, it takes more to win a Stanley Cup.

So you were waiting for the misery to occur before showing up? Good to know. Hope your Penquin's have a great year next year.

Rig-Rat · #**1834** 05-15-2023, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 1899b

Is getting pulled 4 times in the same playoffs a record for a tender?

How does the coach keep starting the guy he keeps pulling game after game??
That's my question.

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Big Sky · #**1835** 05-15-2023, 08:30 AM

I thought that the Ekholm trade moved the Oilers from being a bubble team to a team with a decent chance.
Woodcroft's handling of the goaltending played a role. Maybe Campbell should have played a couple of games to let Skinner get settled.

I like the off season almost as much as the playoffs. This year will be interesting with the cap not rising as much as the general managers would want. As always, teams that have players on value contracts tend to have the most success. Generally those will be guys on ELCs and players who are in the 'restricted' category.

For the Oilers, Bouchard's contract will be an interesting one to watch.

MountainTi · #**1836** 05-15-2023, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JBE

I would be curious of all the points he gets how many were with Mcdavid. Would he do anywhere near as good without Mcdavid either feeding him or scoring with an assist going to him.

I wonder if McDavid would do as good without Dri feeding him or scoring with an assist going to him?

MountainTi · #**1837** 05-15-2023, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 1899b

Is getting pulled 4 times in the same playoffs a record for a tender?

Not much action on your teams thread?

But good question. You should google it and let us know what you find out. Doesn't really seem like a stat anyone would bother keeping track of.

Well I guess someone bothered.......lol

MountainTi · #**1838** 05-15-2023, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by brendan's dad

So you were waiting for the misery to occur before showing up? Good to know. Hope your Penquin's have a great year next year.

I don't imagine the pens will have much success for a few years. They're still riding their top 2 goal scorers.... unfortunately they're both long past their prime. Need to start on the rebuild asap

MountainTi · #**1839** 05-15-2023, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Talking moose

Good job oil!
Once again. It’s becoming a trend, oil go deepest into playoffs of the Canadian teams.
Go Canadas team 23/24!

Great season once again. Next year will be better yet with the young guns coming up. Will be Canada's team once again

Talking moose · #**1840** 05-15-2023, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

And where does the money come from to pay everyone? Do you think that those two will sign for half of their current salaries to free up the cash to pay for good defense and goaltending?

Current salaries they are 2 of the best bargains in the league.

Sooner · #**1841** 05-15-2023, 10:03 AM

A week ago the bandwagon was overfilled, today they are jumping off in record numbers

If the oil played at full tilt like they did for half of the series, we would be waiting for the next round to begin.

If we tried Campbell more, might have a different outcome vs giving Skinner chance after chance and falling behind a couple goals before yanking him.

If the refs called what they should have, might be a different story.

If we did not run into a hot back up goalie(I thought for sure our guns would run him from the net but he did great). They threw everything at him last night and could not get any puck luck whatsoever.

I am as disappointed with the season being over this early as anyone but another good step into the playoffs and more learning on what it takes to go deep in the playoffs. Now if Holland can make some moves to get even deeper, dump dead weight. Who knows how deep they can go next year.

It was a fun ride watching the Oilers. They broke a lot of long standing team records this season but I guess that means nothing if you don't get to the finals/win the cup. I look at it as another good step forward.

Walleyedude · #**1842** 05-15-2023, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sooner

A week ago the bandwagon was overfilled, today they are jumping off in record numbers

If the oil played at full tilt like they did for half of the series, we would be waiting for the next round to begin.

If we tried Campbell more, might have a different outcome vs giving Skinner chance after chance and falling behind a couple goals before yanking him.

If the refs called what they should have, might be a different story.

If we did not run into a hot back up goalie(I thought for sure our guns would run him from the net but he did great). They threw everything at him last night and could not get any puck luck whatsoever.

I am as disappointed with the season being over this early as anyone but another good step into the playoffs and more learning on what it takes to go deep in the playoffs. Now if Holland can make some moves to get even deeper, dump dead weight. Who knows how deep they can go next year.

It was a fun ride watching the Oilers. They broke a lot of long standing team records this season but I guess that means nothing if you don't get to the finals/win the cup. I look at it as another good step forward.

Yep.

It was a heckuva ride all year long. I watched some amazing hockey and got to see my team make the final 8. Definitely not the ultimate goal, but nothing to be ashamed of. The Oilers are a very good hockey team, capable of hoisting the Cup on their good days, just not quite there on their bad to average days. They came up short in the goaltending department, had a few subpar performances from key players, and ran outta steam, they were just outplayed as the series went on. Me thinks there's some nagging injuries in that room, but that's the playoffs...

Holland has been steadily building towards a winner, he's now got another critical offseason to continue the build. Having Ekholm signed long term is a HUGE win. The emergence of Skinner and McLeod, and the progess of Bouchard are all important steps. Gotta get some guys signed to fair deals, and we need Lavoie and Holloway to push next year, along with Broberg taking the next step. A healthy Kane is a major difference as well.

Campbell was the big swing that was supposed to be the answer this year. It didn't work out to say the least. That's going to be a $5MM yoke that Holland has to deal with for a lonnng time. I agree with the statement above that what the coaching staff was seeing behind the scenes must have been pretty bad. Loyalty to your starter is one thing, but they clearly had ZERO faith in him being a better option than a very mediocre Skinner.

I'd like to see Holland find a new home for Yamamoto, he tries hard, but he's just not the answer at $3MM. Unless they can bump Ceci to the 3rd pair, he's not the answer either. I like the guy, but I'm not at all convinced Desharnais is an NHL defencemen, especially on a Cup winning team. RD was a glaring weakness in the playoffs, they really need to sign a 1RD/2RD somehow, and that's a tall order.

All in all, it was a very good season. I'm disappointed it's over, but the memories of the decade of darkness are still all too fresh, so seeing a team this good on so many nights, with a legit chance of hoisting the Cup, is massive for me. I'm going to focus on enjoying the ride while it lasts.

Next year!

Trochu · #**1843** 05-15-2023, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by trigger7mm

....how did the ref miss Edholm getting high sticked in the face and bleeding down his cheek, and not make that call at a crucial time in the game?

They "missed" it because it wasn't a penalty. Follow through on a shot.

Well, you fellas did better than we did, see you next year.

ram crazy · #**1844** 05-15-2023, 11:18 AM

The Oilers won't go no where as long as they keep giving #25 the amount of ice time they do!

Supergrit · #**1845** 05-15-2023, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Talking moose

Yet every single team in the league would gladly pay him 8 mill a season to play on their team……(probably a lot more than 8).
It’s almost like those hockey clubs know something about hockey that you don’t…..
Maybe you could bless one of those clubs and be some sort of an advisor?

By paying so much for two players a team can’t afford no support. Wont win cups with out a balanced team.
Once the contracts come up for renewal it only gets worst. The next set of contracts is were a team gets ripped off

elkhunter11 · #**1846** 05-15-2023, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Talking moose

Current salaries they are 2 of the best bargains in the league.

And yet there isn't enough left to buy a quality defence, and goaltender.

Talking moose · #**1847** 05-15-2023, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Supergrit

By paying so much for two players a team can’t afford no support. Wont win cups with out a balanced team.
Once the contracts come up for renewal it only gets worst. The next set of contracts is were a team gets ripped off

When contracts are up yes…….. right now they are both a couple of the best contracts going.

Talking moose · #**1848** 05-15-2023, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

And yet there isn't enough left to buy a quality defence, and goaltender.

Give me an example of a goaltender or stud d man that was available.
Stud d men and top goalies are not displayed in store front windows and they never go on sale.

elkhunter11 · #**1849** 05-15-2023, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Talking moose

Give me an example of a goaltender or stud d man that was available.
Stud d men and top goalies are not displayed in store front windows and they never go on sale.

For the right trade, you might be surprised who might be available, but with no money, and not willing to trade a top level player , there definitely will be no chance to get a good goaltender or defenseman.

Talking moose · #**1850** 05-15-2023, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

For the right trade, you might be surprised who might be available, but with no money, and not willing to trade a top level player , there definitely will be no chance to get a good goaltender or defenseman.

How do you trade with no trade clauses?

MountainTi · #**1851** 05-15-2023, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11

For the right trade, you might be surprised who might be available, but with no money, and not willing to trade a top level player , there definitely will be no chance to get a good goaltender or defenseman.

Skinner is a rookie. He will be fine, and at 24 will just get better and better. Very few top tier goalies out there, let alone 20 year old ones.

What was Ullmark's save % in the playoffs?
Heard him and the team did pretty good in the regular season

trigger7mm · #**1852** 05-15-2023, 06:49 PM

I think, and I am certainly no expert, that one of the first guys to go if possible would be Nurse. Way overrated, but great trade bait someone who would be a much better asset.

AI 6.5 · #**1853** 05-15-2023, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by trigger7mm

I think, and I am certainly no expert, that one of the first guys to go if possible would be Nurse. Way overrated, but great trade bait someone who would be a much better asset.

Agree 100%. Worth 9 million a year? I don't think so.

ram crazy · #**1854** 05-15-2023, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by trigger7mm

I think, and I am certainly no expert, that one of the first guys to go if possible would be Nurse. Way overrated, but great trade bait someone who would be a much better asset.

Good luck with that! Who in their right mind would want that.

Penner · #**1855** 05-15-2023, 09:29 PM

When 4 of your top six forwards don’t pizz a drop you don’t out score your shortfalls and a sub 0.900 save % isn’t going to get you very deep. I get the sense a lot of the key guys were banged up as guys who elevated last year looked laboured all playoffs long.

Team is just coming into their prime. Gotta keep tweaking roster, need a prospect or 2 to over achieve, and need to be healthy. It’s the toughest trophy in professional sports to win for a reason.

Big Sky · #**1856** 05-28-2023, 12:27 AM

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270person · #**1857** 05-28-2023, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by trigger7mm

I think, and I am certainly no expert, that one of the first guys to go if possible would be Nurse. Way overrated, but great trade bait someone who would be a much better asset.

Pretty tough to do with a no movement clause. There's bigger issues on the Oilers roster than Darnell Nurse.

Sooner · #**1858** 05-28-2023, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by trigger7mm

I think, and I am certainly no expert, that one of the first guys to go if possible would be Nurse. Way overrated, but great trade bait someone who would be a much better asset.

Another issue with trading Nurse is he is in tight with the top guys on the team. I know its hockey but if you trade one of their best friends on the team, do the top guys take it personally or realize that's hockey?

Good GM's make hard decisions all the time to keep the team strong, maybe that's on the table for Kenny. Ya it was a bad contract from Chiarelli but at the time, that was the price to keep him. Does losing him to shave a few bucks help or hurt the core of the team? I do face palm a few times here and there on the mistakes he makes as a veteran but he is a good dman 99% of the time.

Talking moose · #**1859** 05-28-2023, 12:15 PM

A lot of misguided hate for Nurse.
But stats don’t lie.

Big Sky · #**1860** 05-28-2023, 12:51 PM

The biggest issue facing the Oilers might be getting Bouchard signed to a contract that makes everyone happy.

He's an RFA with a few more seasons until he can be a UFA. Oilers could play hardball with him but I seriously doubt they take that route. He plays considerable minutes and deserves a decent bump in pay. The problem is the salary cap isn't going up that much so there isn't a lot to go around.
I suspect that he gets a bridge contract for 1 or two years with the hope of then signing him longer term when the cap increases.