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07-15-2018, 09:05 AM
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Coyote traps removed after public backlash...
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/coyote...lash-1.4013651
Let's follow the logic:
People complain that coyotes are attacking their cute doggies and they need to be removed from the park. Natural Resources traps the coyotes to relocate them (not kill them) as to avoid public backlash. Said public views coyotes in leg hold traps and freak out because it looks mean, then demand they stop trapping them...
But the cherry on top of it all is their demand:
“The city has to do something about it, but not hurting them as well because they have the right to live." I guess the city hasn't tried asking the cute little wild dogs to stop eating the nice dogs.
I can't even..............
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07-15-2018, 09:11 AM
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Modern times. People have too much time on their hands, so they pizza the time away on frivolous crap.
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07-15-2018, 09:34 AM
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Yup
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07-15-2018, 10:33 AM
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Sounds like the city has its hands tied, oh well, just tell the people there is too much red tape (and bleeding hearts). Stay indoors and it'll all be fine.
Cities are unnatural environments, if people create them they also need to control them.
There are realities that you can't choose the outcome too, both in nature and in man made environments.
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07-15-2018, 10:39 AM
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About time we figure out that we have to ignore the Wing nut minority in society.
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07-15-2018, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams
About time we figure out that we have to ignore the Wing nut minority in society. Grizz
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Actually I think the problem is the exact opposite. We have been ignoring them, being polite and letting them talk to excess without push back. They now think they have rights over all others. I think the people that have been silent for far to long have to start pushing back.
I do know there are a lot fewer coyotes in our area and I have heard that something had happened to a number of them. If what I heard is factual then silence is good as action is finally being taken.
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07-15-2018, 11:18 AM
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Removal of coyotes won’t work. Coyotes are probably the most adaptable animals out there. Take them out, others will move in to take their place. If there is a niche for them to survive(dog food, garbage, cats, small dogs, rabbits) they will take advantage of it. Get used of it. Coyotes are in our cities to stay. Have been for awhile.
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07-15-2018, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Talking moose
Removal of coyotes won’t work. Coyotes are probably the most adaptable animals out there. Take them out, others will move in to take their place. If there is a niche for them to survive(dog food, garbage, cats, small dogs, rabbits) they will take advantage of it. Get used of it. Coyotes are in our cities to stay. Have been for awhile.
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Exactly! Only thing you can do is control the population.
A few well placed arrows in the wee hours and the numbers will decline, and don't leave any evidence for the bleeding hearts, and they can believe whatever narrative helps them sleep at night.
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07-15-2018, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Talking moose
Removal of coyotes won’t work. Coyotes are probably the most adaptable animals out there. Take them out, others will move in to take their place. If there is a niche for them to survive(dog food, garbage, cats, small dogs, rabbits) they will take advantage of it. Get used of it. Coyotes are in our cities to stay. Have been for awhile.
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Sorry, keep hearing that old saw from the apologists. What it really means is you're not trying hard enough. Kill enough and consistently, you're going to hit a tipping point. We never used to have coyote problems in cities, we became complacent and tolerated them.
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07-15-2018, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams
Sorry, keep hearing that old saw from the apologists. What it really means is you're not trying hard enough. Kill enough and consistently, you're going to hit a tipping point.
Grizz
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Not with coyotes. Always gonna be lots of coyotes. Disease can knock down coyote populations. Man, not so much. Always gonna be yotes. Even in the city’s. Populations keep growing, and ranges keep expanding.
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07-15-2018, 10:18 PM
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I can’t decide who I agree with GA or TM ..... buuuuut going out and shooting a bunch can’t hurt...
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07-15-2018, 10:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams
Sorry, keep hearing that old saw from the apologists. What it really means is you're not trying hard enough. Kill enough and consistently, you're going to hit a tipping point. We never used to have coyote problems in cities, we became complacent and tolerated them.
Grizz
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X2 Dead coyotes don't reproduce or move to new territory.
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Originally Posted by Talking moose
Not with coyotes. Always gonna be lots of coyotes. Disease can knock down coyote populations. Man, not so much. Always gonna be yotes. Even in the city’s. Populations keep growing, and ranges keep expanding.
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I've heard this story before. It sounds a lot like "If you kill your enemy, they win."
Failure to apply sufficient time and resources to solving a problem does not mean that the problem cannot be solved.
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07-15-2018, 10:21 PM
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How about dog sized cage traps. If domestics get caught, the owner pays the usual fine for release, if they're even tagged or chipped.
The CO can take care of the yotes the same way they do any other wild species.
A hot dog on a wire should do the trick.
On leash areas only of course.
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07-15-2018, 11:49 PM
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07-16-2018, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Talking moose
Removal of coyotes won’t work. Coyotes are probably the most adaptable animals out there. Take them out, others will move in to take their place. If there is a niche for them to survive(dog food, garbage, cats, small dogs, rabbits) they will take advantage of it. Get used of it. Coyotes are in our cities to stay. Have been for awhile.
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I agree. They can never be eradicated once you have them. All that you can do is manage the population. Releasing that coyote 1 km away is laughable. It would be back at the park before super time.
Modern foothold traps do not harm coyotes so it wouldn’t be limping at all. That is just Propaganda by the anti’s and they know it.
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07-16-2018, 12:41 AM
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Junk science. Removing coyotes from that park would not result in an increase in the coyote population. Eventually they may be replaced by other transient coyotes looking for their own territory though.
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07-16-2018, 12:47 AM
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Talking moose is right guys. Tried trapping 100-150 yotes a season in a small area for over a 4 year period. Numbers went down a bit in some spots but overal it didn't seam like I did much. Wolves are a different game tho. You wipe out the majority of a pack and they don't come back at a very fast pace.
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07-16-2018, 08:24 AM
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Coultn’t we just feed the coyotes puppies? Seems if they are well fed they wont eat peoples pets. We wont have to trap them. Everyone is happy, no?
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07-16-2018, 09:05 AM
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Mentioned before but got my experience with Edmonton coyotes when going to last Sportsman show. Two coyotes walking across parking lot in front of me like then owned the world. I gave them my trappers get the hell out of here wave & yell, they just ignored me.
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07-16-2018, 09:36 AM
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Awesome. Might sink in to some small minds.
Seriously though, coyotes are like rats. Once established in an area it takes a lot of work to get rid of them. The issue some are missing on this is that major cities are now crawling with them. Where some places have rats, others coyotes. Removing a pair from a golf course or park, just means more room for juveniles. Add in the survival method of larger litters when there is ample food, you won't win
With the number of people kicking kittens and pet bunnies lose in the suburbs, coyotes are having a great time. Add the littering people do, we actually need animals cleaning up.
These people cause their own issues by not making the wildlife wild. To them its just a pretty image. Looks like more and more, the wildlife officers can't win and we are frowned upon for being the ones keeping animals nervous.
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07-16-2018, 03:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Talking moose
Removal of coyotes won’t work. Coyotes are probably the most adaptable animals out there. Take them out, others will move in to take their place.
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While I agree that we will not be able to get rid of them all, nor should we. Having a larger bold one or two that are causing issues selectively disappear makes for far less problem encounters.
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07-17-2018, 09:12 AM
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I do have to wonder about the city of Calgary's priorities...
Coyotes kill a dog, they close the pathway; coyote nips a golfer, dead yote.
https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...l-dog-on-leash
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...gary-1.4740214
I tend to agree that you will never keep coyotes out of the city, but you can (and should) get rid of the ones that are too comfortable around people.
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07-17-2018, 12:16 PM
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I'm of the opinion that a hunted population lays low, so some thinning down of coyotes in cities should be regularly done. It won't eradicate them but it will keep populations down and keep them aware that it's not a friendly place to be.
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07-18-2018, 05:16 AM
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Modern times. People have too much time on their hands, so they pizza the time away on frivolous crap.
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Does spending time on this site qualify?
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