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Old 03-15-2017, 02:46 PM
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Ha, figured some of you might like to see the new regs admin added a link to above. There are some significant changes this year.

They went ahead and opened PCR to retention as well as Burnstick and Glennifer and also 5 other new tag lakes including Gull.

Bow River regs were simplified and changed to bait ban catch and release everywhere from Banff NP to Bassano Dam.

It is now also illegal to waste burbot.

Also illegal to dispose of unused bait within 50 metres of water bodies except in a regularly serviced waste disposal receptacle.

There could be more too those are just the highlighted points at beginning of regs. Make sure you read through them carefully and understand them.
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:21 PM
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Pine Coulee. Allowed to keep 3 walleye any size. Any bets on whether there are any fish left before summer!?
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Old 03-15-2017, 03:24 PM
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Don’t forget to ‘Pull the Plug!’ Residual standing water in watercraft is known to be a source of aquatic invasive species and fish disease introductions. All watercraft being transported (e.g. on a road) in Alberta must now have the drain plug plugged while in transport.

Looks like an in-season change coming. I'm sure they must have meant to say "pulled" not plugged.
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Don't bypass watercraft inspection stations. If you do and they find critters on your boat, the fines/jail time are HUGE! They are very nice people and often have giveaways like drink insulators, floating keychains and drying cloths for your boat.
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Looks like an in-season change coming. I'm sure they must have meant to say "pulled" not plugged.
Remember the disclaimer at the start of the regs. This is just a transcription, and could be a transcription error. The only real regs are the act.

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Pine Coulee. Allowed to keep 3 walleye any size. Any bets on whether there are any fish left before summer!?
It will be fished out by end of the year. With 3 fish limit, no size restriction, lots of fish and all other lakes in the area closed to retention its going to be like a bumper boat derby out there lol.
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Looks like an in-season change coming. I'm sure they must have meant to say "pulled" not plugged.
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This makes ZERO sense to me. It's a real head scratcher.

It's perfectly OK to fish with it - which exposes it to the water and will inevitably result in lost bait entering the water body - but it can't be disposed of within 50m? Seriously?

How are the 99% of minnows or worms in a tub OK to be released in the water while fishing, but the 1% remaining are a serious issue if put directly into the water?

Is the bait affecting or somehow how harming wildlife within 50m of shore? Throwing it in the bush 51m away is perfectly fine?

If it's a littering thing due to the mess or the smell, then just issue a ticket for littering...
Wasn't expecting that change, I would like to know what the actual law change states(if there was one).

Another thing noted is a comment saying that the Tiger Trout stocking was seen as a success and they plan to increase Tiger trout opportunities this year. Strange that they still haven't made them a sport fish species yet...
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Old 03-15-2017, 06:01 PM
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Dont worry their plan is to fish it out as bad as it sounds. They are removing them to turn it into a trout lake. They will succeed easily I would bet.

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It will be fished out by end of the year. With 3 fish limit, no size restriction, lots of fish and all other lakes in the area closed to retention its going to be like a bumper boat derby out there lol.
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It will be fished out by end of the year. With 3 fish limit, no size restriction, lots of fish and all other lakes in the area closed to retention its going to be like a bumper boat derby out there lol.
To bad, it would have been a good lake to do some "catch and restocking" with. Lots of lakes in the south could have used a few thousand(?) walleye stocked into them. Seemed to work well with Lac ST. Anne and Wabamun. I am sure the boys on the southern trail could have rounded up some boats to help F/W with a restocking program.
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To bad, it would have been a good lake to do some "catch and restocking" with. Lots of lakes in the south could have used a few thousand(?) walleye stocked into them. Seemed to work well with Lac ST. Anne and Wabamun. I am sure the boys on the southern trail could have rounded up some boats to help F/W with a restocking program.
these fish are near the end of their lifecycle it would be a waste of time moving them somewhere else, may as well let people make use of them.
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these fish are near the end of their lifecycle it would be a waste of time moving them somewhere else, may as well let people make use of them.
Are you aware if the walleye are spawning? I've just never seen any other age classes other than those 2 years of stocking. I know there are so few pike or burbot that manage to live to a catchable size that those populations have such a hard time replacing anything that ever gets kept
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Pine Coulee. Allowed to keep 3 walleye any size. Any bets on whether there are any fish left before summer!?
Gee, I would have been happy with one!
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Gee, I would have been happy with one!
That's what I was hoping for and put in the survey. Thought it would be a good compromise to maybe see if less competition might help the population. But hey what do we know. Seems like this was a forgone conclusion. Dumb.
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They went ahead and opened PCR
I'm sure some will be thrilled. It's very unfortunate IMHO. Another "consultation" on what was already a foregone conclusion.

With a walleye and pike limit of 3 each, it'll be fished out in a year. The boat launch and dock should be one amazing spectacle on opening day...

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Illegal to dispose of unused bait within 50 metres of water bodies except in a regularly serviced waste disposal receptacle.
This makes ZERO sense to me. It's a real head scratcher.

It's perfectly OK to fish with it - which exposes it to the water and will inevitably result in lost bait entering the water body - but it can't be disposed of within 50m? Seriously?

How are the 99% of minnows or worms in a tub OK to be released in the water while fishing, but the 1% remaining are a serious issue if put directly into the water?

Is the bait affecting or somehow how harming wildlife within 50m of shore? Throwing it in the bush 51m away is perfectly fine?

If it's a littering thing due to the mess or the smell, then just issue a ticket for littering...
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I'm sure some will be thrilled. It's very unfortunate IMHO. Another "consultation" on what was already a foregone conclusion.
It is a sad state for PCR... Let's hope they turn it around to a good trout lake one day (as they stated their intentions on the survey).


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How are the 99% of minnows or worms in a tub OK to be released in the water while fishing, but the 1% remaining are a serious issue if put directly into the water?
Is it perhaps they're trying to crack down on chumming?

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It is a sad state for PCR... Let's hope they turn it around to a good trout lake one day (as they stated their intentions on the survey).
I'm not holding my breath.

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Maybe. Nothing would really surprise me at this point (except PCR actually becoming a good trout fishery. )
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Maybe. Nothing would really surprise me at this point (except PCR actually becoming a good trout fishery. )
One can dream... and stay hopeful!
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Is it perhaps they're trying to crack down on chumming?


It's entirely about Aquatic Invasive Species (AIS) prevention. Zebra/ Quagga Mussels and non-native fish

As for the comment about dumping worms and leeches in the water, you're supposed to kill and dispose of outside the water. Dew worms and earthworms are an Invasive Species, changing plant composition by mixing the soil horizons, so should be killed before being tossed
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A class tags for walleye out of Gull lake now, thats good to see
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I'm sure some will be thrilled. It's very unfortunate IMHO. Another "consultation" on what was already a foregone conclusion.

With a walleye and pike limit of 3 each, it'll be fished out in a year. The boat launch and dock should be one amazing spectacle on opening day...



This makes ZERO sense to me. It's a real head scratcher.

It's perfectly OK to fish with it - which exposes it to the water and will inevitably result in lost bait entering the water body - but it can't be disposed of within 50m? Seriously?

How are the 99% of minnows or worms in a tub OK to be released in the water while fishing, but the 1% remaining are a serious issue if put directly into the water?

Is the bait affecting or somehow how harming wildlife within 50m of shore? Throwing it in the bush 51m away is perfectly fine?

If it's a littering thing due to the mess or the smell, then just issue a ticket for littering...
I believe the bigger issue is the release of live bait such as worms or crawlers where they are not native.
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I believe the bigger issue is the release of live bait such as worms or crawlers where they are not native.
In that case, the 50m from a waterbody stipulation makes no sense.

Just make it illegal period.
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I believe the bigger issue is the release of live bait such as worms or crawlers where they are not native.
That actually makes some sense especially with say leeches.
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That actually makes some sense especially with say leeches.
Not seeing the change in the burbot reg

I see "The edible flesh of legally kept game fish must not be wasted, destroyed, spoiled or abandoned (this does not apply to burbot)."

Which would be the same as a burbot thrown on the ice and wasted was still considered "legally kept".
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Not seeing the change in the burbot reg

I see "The edible flesh of legally kept game fish must not be wasted, destroyed, spoiled or abandoned (this does not apply to burbot)."

Which would be the same as a burbot thrown on the ice and wasted was still considered "legally kept".
You reading last years regs?

Right in the important changes section it states.

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That actually makes some sense especially with say leeches.
Leeches have become way too darn expensive to be dumping out lol! But yes I guess it could happen. Not sure that frozen minnows would be a problem unless still able to transmit some sort of disease or something to the waterbody. They do often come from out of province which may be a concern. I don't see it with the worms though. What invasive species could be introduced with dumping a few worms? That's been fish food since the beginning of time.
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Leeches have become way too darn expensive to be dumping out lol! But yes I guess it could happen. Not sure that frozen minnows would be a problem unless still able to transmit some sort of disease or something to the waterbody. They do often come from out of province which may be a concern. I don't see it with the worms though. What invasive species could be introduced with dumping a few worms? That's been fish food since the beginning of time.
The worms themselves are invasive, read my earlier post on this thread

Link- http://worms.biology.ualberta.ca/spread/
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I believe the bigger issue is the release of live bait such as worms or crawlers where they are not native.
I've done some undergrad research on this and theres only one native species of worm in Alberta and it's only in the southern region. All worms in the soil are pretty much due to fisherman and farmers hahahha
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I'm sure some will be thrilled. It's very unfortunate IMHO. Another "consultation" on what was already a foregone conclusion.

With a walleye and pike limit of 3 each, it'll be fished out in a year. The boat launch and dock should be one amazing spectacle on opening day...



This makes ZERO sense to me. It's a real head scratcher.

It's perfectly OK to fish with it - which exposes it to the water and will inevitably result in lost bait entering the water body - but it can't be disposed of within 50m? Seriously?

How are the 99% of minnows or worms in a tub OK to be released in the water while fishing, but the 1% remaining are a serious issue if put directly into the water?

Is the bait affecting or somehow how harming wildlife within 50m of shore? Throwing it in the bush 51m away is perfectly fine?

If it's a littering thing due to the mess or the smell, then just issue a ticket for littering...
opening day?
it shows as being open now from what I read?
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New regulations don't take effect until April 1.
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