Wildrose divided: Fildebrandt breaks with leader, calls for merger with PCs

[thetruth]

Originally Posted by JustMe

I thought some of the comments were comical. But it MIGHT show what the rest of Canada thinks of him?


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Who gives a rat's a** what the rest of the country thinks of him??

Whoever the person is who's best qualified to lead the PC's, root out the rest of the "Progressive" posers who screwed the party forever and then do his part to ensure a conservative coalition is in place to destroy the NDP in 2019 has my unfettered support...

[From The Hip]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

Watch the polls after the rebate checks start pouring in.....

I guess if people are STUPID enough to vote for the NDP after they get a check in the mail that covers a FRACTION of what the Carbon Tax then they deserve the governance they vote for.

Socialisim is the philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy....Winston Churchill.

I dont give a ratss AZZ if I get a lousy $200 in the mail next week or next month as I know what this BS carbon Tax is going to cost me every time I fill up for gas/get my gas bill/buy groceries and the list goes on and on.

It is a PST in disguise and the NDP went this route because if they wanted to have a PST they were MANDATED by Alberta law to hold a referendum on it.

Easy thing to do is invent a new tax and that only made our idiot PM get happy over it as the GST gets stacked on top of the "Carbon Tax"

How does taxing Canadians reduce "evil" green house gas emissions?????....It does nothing to do that but it sure takes money out of Canadians pockets.

FTH

[Newview01]

A PST could have been instated at 4% or something, but I'm guessing the carbon tax will be double.

[markg]

Derek F is my MLA. I don't like the guy. He is a parachute candidate and doesn't even have a home in the riding. That bugs me. Once he was elected he should have bought a house in the riding.

How invested is he in his own community? He isn't, he is a political opportunist. Notice how he is quoted as saying he is willing to risk his political "career" to get a merger done. How about taking it to the voters of his riding. How about a mini referendum right here in Strathmore Brooks if we want a merger. That's how democracy should work.

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by From The Hip

I guess if people are STUPID enough to vote for the NDP after they get a check in the mail that covers a FRACTION of what the Carbon Tax then they deserve the governance they vote for.

Socialisim is the philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy....Winston Churchill.

I dont give a ratss AZZ if I get a lousy $200 in the mail next week or next month as I know what this BS carbon Tax is going to cost me every time I fill up for gas/get my gas bill/buy groceries and the list goes on and on.

It is a PST in disguise and the NDP went this route because if they wanted to have a PST they were MANDATED by Alberta law to hold a referendum on it.

Easy thing to do is invent a new tax and that only made our idiot PM get happy over it as the GST gets stacked on top of the "Carbon Tax"

How does taxing Canadians reduce "evil" green house gas emissions?????....It does nothing to do that but it sure takes money out of Canadians pockets.

FTH

Well giving rebate checks works, and gains political supporters.

Some people used to call them Prosperity bonus checks when Ralph was in power.

Most low income earners don't spend a lot of money, so they won't be caught up to the same degree as higher income earners. This means when they get the rebate checks it's bonus money. Money they never had before the carbon tax, do you think they would vote to get rid of that?

[densa44]

Finally we are discussing possible solutions in stead og tearing our clothing and gnashing our teeth.

Do we have a "B" plan if these Dinosaurs can't get it worked out?
You could bring Social Credit out of retirement and start there, with new politicians, look if Trump could get elected, anything is possible.

I think it is best to assume the rural right is dying off at an increasing rate and the young left wings are growing fast.

The NDs will get better at being a government and this will accelerate the closer we get to an election.

Old has been politicians are nearly impossible to get elected.

Now that we are thinking about what to do versus how stupid everyone else is can we hear a few words about Ottawa, because JT will be even harder to beat.

[super7mag]

Originally Posted by CanuckShooter

Well giving rebate checks works, and gains political supporters.

Some people used to call them Prosperity bonus checks when Ralph was in power.

Most low income earners don't spend a lot of money, so they won't be caught up to the same degree as higher income earners. This means when they get the rebate checks it's bonus money. Money they never had before the carbon tax, do you think they would vote to get rid of that?

When a jug of milk that was 5$ before the CT becomes 7$ after how far is the pitiful rebate going to go..??

[JustMe]

If a jug of milk goes up $2, then it's more than just the government making a profit from the carbon tax..... Just saying, you come to your own conclusions.

Originally Posted by super7mag

When a jug of milk that was 5$ before the CT becomes 7$ after how far is the pitiful rebate going to go..??

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by JustMe

If a jug of milk goes up $2, then it's more than just the government making a profit from the carbon tax..... Just saying, you come to your own conclusions.

How do you know what effect the carbon tax will have on milk? The tax starts at the farm and keeps getting added until it is sold at the grocery store. It wouldn't surprise me if it got added on 10-15 times before the milk ends up in your fridge.

[JustMe]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

How do you know what effect the carbon tax will have on milk? The tax starts at the farm and keeps getting added until it is sold at the grocery store. It wouldn't surprise me if it got added on 10-15 times before the milk ends up in your fridge.

I know what you're saying, but farmers and I'd expect ranchers are exempt from the carbon tax if I understand it correctly. That should help, but I'm sure we will still see a bit of a bump. Now the increases we could see every time the oil companies arbitrarily add 10 cents a liter to fuel costs could really spike costs in transportation etc and flow down to consumer products.

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[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by JustMe

I know what you're saying, but farmers and I'd expect ranchers are exempt from the carbon tax if I understand it correctly. That should help, but I'm sure we will still see a bit of a bump. Now the increases we could see every time the oil companies arbitrarily add 10 cents a liter to fuel costs could really spike costs in transportation etc and flow down to consumer products.

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Only on dyed fuel. Everything else we get nailed on just like you. Petroleum products are a very small part of the costs of running a dairy. Electricity is a huge one.

The NDP drove up the input cost of natgas at least 40% for refineries, and forced higher costs on every aspect of the business. Of course fuel has to go up more than the carbon tax at the pumps.

Low information voters are the reason governments can get away with this crap.

If anyone believes that rebate check will cover the costs of the carbon tax for even the lowest of income Albertans they are dumber than...........

[JustMe]

That's a good point on electricity. Should we be developing more hydro electricity here in Alberta or importing it from sask or BC? Seems to me that hydro would be carbon neutral? Or maybe even nuclear?

Originally Posted by hillbillyreefer

Only on dyed fuel. Everything else we get nailed on just like you. Petroleum products are a very small part of the costs of running a dairy. Electricity is a huge one.

The NDP drove up the input cost of natgas at least 40% for refineries, and forced higher costs on every aspect of the business. Of course fuel has to go up more than the carbon tax at the pumps.

Low information voters are the reason governments can get away with this crap.

If anyone believes that rebate check will cover the costs of the carbon tax for even the lowest of income Albertans they are dumber than...........

[Newview01]

Does it matter who has adding a few $ here and there to goods and services provided? All business are doing it in the name of a carbon tax, and whether they are gouging or not, the carbon tax gave them the opportunity. No carbon tax, no gouging in the name of said carbon tax.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by JustMe

That's a good point on electricity. Should we be developing more hydro electricity here in Alberta or importing it from sask or BC? Seems to me that hydro would be carbon neutral? Or maybe even nuclear?

We should use coal until Alberta has a similarly priced, unsubsidized form of power generation. Those who disagree don't understand how much of it we have, and how clean it burns.

[JustMe]

Fair enough, but it still uses a resource with associated costs. My point on Hydro was that it uses a renewable resource, water, that is free. Only cost would be initial construction and the of course upkeep, but we'd have those costs regardless....

Originally Posted by Newview01

We should use coal until Alberta has a similarly priced, unsubsidized form of power generation. Those who disagree don't understand how much of it we have, and how clean it burns.

[Newview01]

Originally Posted by JustMe

Fair enough, but it still uses a resource with associated costs. My point on Hydro was that it uses a renewable resource, water, that is free. Only cost would be initial construction and the of course upkeep, but we'd have those costs regardless....

You are right. But at what point does the cost of building and maintaining a new hydro facility become cheaper than burning cheap coal and maintaining an existing facility? 10 years? 20 years?

Eventually it will be, but I hope by then we have new technology (non-subsidized) that renders hydro and coal too costly. It's a stretch, but I know it is possible.

[raab]

Originally Posted by JustMe

Fair enough, but it still uses a resource with associated costs. My point on Hydro was that it uses a renewable resource, water, that is free. Only cost would be initial construction and the of course upkeep, but we'd have those costs regardless....

Apparently youve never seen the environmental impact of hydro damns. Also what river would you like to build a hydro damn on here in Alberta. Not to many rivers that its could be done on.

[260 Rem]

Anybody catch the news clip from Beijing last night?

[JustMe]

Fact that... Perhaps we'd have to import it, if it's economical to import it to New York, I'd think it'd be worthwhile here, but who knows? Regardless, nothing will change and we'll keep paying our new sales tax.

Originally Posted by raab

Apparently youve never seen the environmental impact of hydro damns. Also what river would you like to build a hydro damn on here in Alberta. Not to many rivers that its could be done on.

[JimPS]

Stephen Harper,Derek Fildebrandt and Jason Kenney all have one thing in common - at one time or another they were all lobbyists and street performers at the clown college that calls itself the Taxpayers Federation - the safe haven where aspiring young nerdy right-wing politicians are subsidized so they don't have to get an actual job and work for a living.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by JimPS

Stephen Harper,Derek Fildebrandt and Jason Kenney all have one thing in common - at one time or another they were all lobbyists and street performers at the clown college that calls itself the Taxpayers Federation - the safe haven where aspiring young nerdy right-wing politicians are subsidized so they don't have to get an actual job and work for a living.

Yeah not like the school of hard knocks the socialist went to. Trudeau . Notley and the rest of the free loaders barely were able to climb into the trough until their teen years.

[jstubbs]

Originally Posted by newredneck

Let me start with this... I do not support the WR. That said, if it wasn't for the WR, the PC party would still be in power. The WR has brought something to Alberta that we have been lacking for far too long... a decent opposition which is the cornerstone of a democracy.

Now, as someone who does not support the WR, this is how I see it:

I hated the arrogance of the PC party... I see this same arrogance in Kenney. I do not trust him. He is way to reminiscent of PC leaders of the past. Furthermore, I will not vote for any party led by him or any leftovers of the PC royalty of yesteryear.

As for the WR, while I do not currently support them, they do have a chance. I disagree with some of Brian Jean's fiscal views, but could live with them. I find him a genuinely wanting to do what he views to be best for Alberta. He has already shown that he has the ability to step up when needed and comes across as a pretty good guy. In short, I could live with him as Premier.

For me to vote WR, it is the social side that bothers me. I am more liberal than many on this site. Some of the things said by WR members makes me nervous. Now, I am in no way saying that the WR would have to move dramatically to the left socially, however I do think that if WR want to have a true shot at a majority, movement would have to take place.

Some have pointed out opinion polls on this thread -- how have those worked out in the past provincial and federal election. How about the American one? The NDP have a couple of years left. Lots of time to swing voters in their favor. That also leaves plenty of time for others to implode.

As an outsider looking in, I think the WR is in the best position to either win or lose the next election based on what happens in the near future.

I agree. All I'm looking for at this point in a provincial government is fiscal responsibility and to cut out this arrogance towards the everyday Albertan, because since Ralph left office, those two aspects have been gone and are what are going to kill the province. Redford, Prentice, Notley (and to a lesser extent, Stelmach) all gave off this vibe like they might as well be giving us the finger every time they spoke, as if we're the ones, not them, who are driving this province into the dirt while they collect their massive six figure pay checks and benefits galore.

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by JimPS

Stephen Harper,Derek Fildebrandt and Jason Kenney all have one thing in common - at one time or another they were all lobbyists and street performers at the clown college that calls itself the Taxpayers Federation - the safe haven where aspiring young nerdy right-wing politicians are subsidized so they don't have to get an actual job and work for a living.

Like it or not people don't like paying higher taxes for progressive policies as we are seeing in the rest of the world. The economy is the most important factor for most.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wher...deau-1.3919211

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

Yeah not like the school of hard knocks the socialist went to. Trudeau . Notley and the rest of the free loaders barely were able to climb into the trough until their teen years.

Left or right -up or down - in or out - all of the aforementioned individuals exhibit the same porcine self serving characteristics of public trough feeding frenzies for their own personal and financial enlightenment. As time goes by, some even take on porcine physical appearance changes from being over-fed.

Apparently Harper had legitimate employment at one time as a mail clerk, Notley worked as a labour lawyer and Trudeau allegedly taught school.

Care to enlighten us as to what the other two clowns have actually worked at?

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by densa44

Finally we are discussing possible solutions in stead of tearing our clothing and gnashing our teeth.

Do we have a "B" plan if these Dinosaurs can't get it worked out?
You could bring Social Credit out of retirement and start there, with new politicians, look if Trump could get elected, anything is possible.

I think it is best to assume the rural right is dying off at an increasing rate and the young left wings are growing fast.

The NDs will get better at being a government and this will accelerate the closer we get to an election.

Old has been politicians are nearly impossible to get elected.

Now that we are thinking about what to do versus how stupid everyone else is can we hear a few words about Ottawa, because JT will be even harder to beat.

I think this is a realistic and accurate summation of the dilemma.

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by JustMe

That's a good point on electricity. Should we be developing more hydro electricity here in Alberta or importing it from sask or BC? Seems to me that hydro would be carbon neutral? Or maybe even nuclear?

Nothing is truly carbon neutral, that's a buzz word.

Realistically in Alberta I'd say nuclear. But don't really care as long as it's cost competitive with other generation. NO SUBSIDIES.

AT -30C I don't think any Albertan cares where the electrons get excited, as long as they do.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by JimPS

Left or right -up or down - in or out - all of the aforementioned individuals exhibit the same porcine self serving characteristics of public trough feeding frenzies for their own personal and financial enlightenment. As time goes by, some even take on porcine physical appearance changes from being over-fed.

Apparently Harper had legitimate employment at one time as a mail clerk, Notley worked as a labour lawyer and Trudeau allegedly taught school.

Care to enlighten us as to what the other two clowns have actually worked at?

Not sure you can handle the enlightenment.LOL

Actually I don't entirely disagree with your assessment of some on your list, exaggerated maybe but not totally incorrect. I just get triggered when the short list is ....well so short. It's been a long time since I've seen a politician actually pay attention to the his supporters instead of his own ambitions or party's ambitions. The tail wagging the dog and all that.

It's not one thing that ruins this ****sandwich. It's a lot of little things, from the first past the post concept to politicians who know best and voters with their hands out for a 'more'.

[JimPS]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

Not sure you can handle the enlightenment.LOL

Actually I don't entirely disagree with your assessment of some on your list, exaggerated maybe but not totally incorrect. I just get triggered when the short list is ....well so short. It's been a long time since I've seen a politician actually pay attention to the his supporters instead of his own ambitions or party's ambitions. The tail wagging the dog and all that.

It's not one thing that ruins this ****sandwich. It's a lot of little things, from the first past the post concept to politicians who know best and voters with their hands out for a 'more'.

Agreed - it's the politically correct white bread (bred?) politicians that ruin a good old fashioned ****sandwich.

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by super7mag

When a jug of milk that was 5$ before the CT becomes 7$ after how far is the pitiful rebate going to go..??

Milk won't go up that much, you can check prices in BC if you don't believe me the carbon tax is already there.