Wildrose divided: Fildebrandt breaks with leader, calls for merger with PCs

[raab]

Originally Posted by justsomeguy

Reality is JK's plan is to ditch the left 25% of the PC party (otherwise know as Liberals in any other province), and WR is going to have to lose 10-15% of their far right end......throw the two together with JK as leader, Derek as second in command, come up with a platform that is right of centre both socially and fiscally and you have a party that will pull in 40-45% of the vote in the province.

Reality is PC-leaning big city folk will never go all in with WR as they fear the right fringe of the WR, just as WR rural folks won't go all in with PC as they fear the left fringe of the PC party. The majority of AB is right-centre and that is where the big tent needs to focus. Let those on the left who took over the PC party drift back to the Libs/AB Party and those on the far right drift back to their traditional protest vote far right fringe parties.

I just threw up in my mouth. JK who has done nothing but live off taxpayers( not to mention his love affair with the crooked Harper), and the now apparently treasonous Fildebrandt who stabbed Jean in the back. Jean is the only choice to lead this Province.

[purgatory.sv]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

The consensus seems to be that the PC learned nothing yet from being sent to purgatory [no offence].

If that doesn't change then they will not form the next gov't.

Plenty of space, none taken.

[justsomeguy]

Originally Posted by raab

I just threw up in my mouth. JK who has done nothing but live off taxpayers( not to mention his love affair with the crooked Harper), and the now apparently treasonous Fildebrandt who stabbed Jean in the back. Jean is the only choice to lead this Province.

Not saying JK or DF are perfect but the alternative is the NDP, I suspect Jean will never be Premier. Don't get me wrong, he was my MP and I voted for him several times. He will have a new job in late 2017 where he is well suited. He is a nice, honourable guy, but Calgary (which is what any right leaning party needs capture to win considering Edm is lost to the NDP for now) will not go for a premier from what they perceive as a small redneck city.

[Dacotensis]

I believe it all started with the anyone but Rahim Jaffer movement.

Once he lost that area, the rest of Edmonton went full stupid.

I drive into that area regularly and for some reason it bleeds NDP.
I feel dirty every time and need a hot shower when I come home.

The best thing to happen would be for Kenney to lose the leadership race.

[bigbaddad]

Jean kind of blew it with me when he criticized the protesters at the Legislature.

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[raab]

Originally Posted by justsomeguy

Not saying JK or DF are perfect but the alternative is the NDP, I suspect Jean will never be Premier. Don't get me wrong, he was my MP and I voted for him several times. He will have a new job in late 2017 where he is well suited. He is a nice, honourable guy, but Calgary (which is what any right leaning party needs capture to win considering Edm is lost to the NDP for now) will not go for a premier from what they perceive as a small redneck city.

NDP and PC party are the same. Both corrupt with their hands in our pockets. How anyone votes for them is beyond me. I still say disband the party, but they're to arrogant to do whats best for the Province.

[elkhunter11]

Kenny has started with the annoying prerecorded phone messages. I really hope that he is not chosen as the leader.

[justsomeguy]

Originally Posted by raab

NDP and PC party are the same. Both corrupt with their hands in our pockets. How anyone votes for them is beyond me. I still say disband the party, but they're to arrogant to do whats best for the Province.

On that I agree....but I'm going on the assumption that JK's plan is essentially a coup and purge of the PC party by federal CPC / WR supporters who want a united right of centre party. Under him the bulk of the PC leadership of the past decade will move to the Libs/AB Party and JK's people will take over the inner working of the party

[huntsfurfish]

Originally Posted by justsomeguy

Reality is JK's plan is to ditch the left 25% of the PC party (otherwise know as Liberals in any other province), and WR is going to have to lose 10-15% of their far right end......throw the two together with JK as leader, Derek as second in command, come up with a platform that is right of centre both socially and fiscally and you have a party that will pull in 40-45% of the vote in the province.

Reality is PC-leaning big city folk will never go all in with WR as they fear the right fringe of the WR, just as WR rural folks won't go all in with PC as they fear the left fringe of the PC party. The majority of AB is right-centre and that is where the big tent needs to focus. Let those on the left who took over the PC party drift back to the Libs/AB Party and those on the far right drift back to their traditional protest vote far right fringe parties.

Pretty much agree.

I would vote PC again, but will never vote WR.

Would actually vote NDP before I ever vote WR.lol

[play.soccer]

WR voter here. Kenney seems as slimy as any other red politician. Fildebrandt acts like a child on social media.

[Taco]

It would appear that Alberta's right wing has a longassed way to go before they learn anything. Gonna be a painful wait.

[purgatory.sv]

Why not merge with?
http://www.albertaparty.ca/about_the_party


Nothing is written in stone.

This may not be the answer; this party has and could be an alternative?

It’s open.

[From The Hip]

With regards to house cleaning I am talking about the PC's.Gotta chuck those disguised Liberals out or under the BUS.The PC's stank bad under Stelmach and they just got even worse under the red queen.Ralph Klein is rolling in the grave and angry.

YES a right wing merger HAS to happen in Alberta but damn it should not be the PC's to lead the helm/steer the boat.Unless all of the PC Lieberals that wear Tory Blue but are in fact Red get chucked off the boat.

With that said YES the right leaning voters have to get the house in order.Alberta got saddled with a Socialist governemnt because of a protest vote gone wrong.

Albertans will feel the pain of the soon to be Carbon Tax as well as a lot of other stupid legislation.

The last thing Alberta needs is a bunch of in-fighting by the prospective parties that are considered "right wing"....those parties MUST unite and kick that leathery faced woman out of office....not just for the sake of good governance but for the well being of ALBERTA.

\\fth

[CBintheNorth]

Originally Posted by raab

If Fildebrandt wants to go to the PC's he can. He just has to pay his fee and good riddance. I thought we were past the floor crossing but apparently not. Also no surprise the PC's are as slimy as ever.

This will be the 2nd time in 2,692 posts that I agree with you.

[canuck]

What a mess

[RolHammer]

Originally Posted by purgatory.sv

Why not merge with?
http://www.albertaparty.ca/about_the_party


Nothing is written in stone.

This may not be the answer; this party has and could be an alternative?

It’s open.

I totally agree & been saying the same thing myself since the election. Greg Clark's sitting on solid gold real estate - smack-dab in the right-of-centre sweet pocket. If he nuts up and gets it done right, could pull enough center-leaning votes from either side of him to form a majority.

Spin-off benefit is the PCAA would have more time in the bad dog box to get itself sorted straight...assuming it survives the upheaval of a second election loss.

[Lab Lvr]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Unite the right under the Wildrose and Brian Jean...Jason Kenney is new to Alberta politics, he can assume a support role.

LC

This! ^^^^^

[super7mag]

Originally Posted by urban rednek

What Derek Fildebrandt doesn't understand is that the PC Party of Alberta hasn't been conservative for over a decade; the executive has been infiltrated by socialist progressives. It was obviously leaning that way when the party executive decided to change the election rules to put Ed Stelmach in as party leader in 2006. It went downhill from there, culminating in the party members electing Alison Redford as leader in 2011. Really? A lawyer whose background included working for the EU and a special appointment for the UN?
Remember her motto for the 2012 election: "This isn't your daddy's PC party"? The party executive and members promoted that statement, much to the consternation of the conservative members of the party, who were derided as akin to dinosaurs?
I believe that Brian Jean gets that; he understands that there is no point in merging with a party that is controlled by socialist conservatives. Until the PC Party of Alberta does a thorough house cleaning, they do not deserve to be called conservative. Ergo, there is no "right" to unite.

Bingo!! Now take out a front page add in the journal and herald with that exact statement so it can resonate with Albertans.

[rens27]

One thing about Kenney that I don't see come up often when people talk about him is his history. He got his start in politics working for liberal MP Ralph Goodale in Saskatchewan. Then jumped to Alberta as a conservative in order to ride the blue wave into an MP position. He's as opportunistic as it comes. And other opportunists like Fildebrandt and Heather Forsythe will be attracted to his banner. Their motto should be "All we want is our fair share of kickbacks and patronage appointments!"

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by rens27

One thing about Kenney that I don't see come up often when people talk about him is his history. He got his start in politics working for liberal MP Ralph Goodale in Saskatchewan. Then jumped to Alberta as a conservative in order to ride the blue wave into an MP position. He's as opportunistic as it comes. And other opportunists like Fildebrandt and Heather Forsythe will be attracted to his banner. Their motto should be "All we want is our fair share of kickbacks and patronage appointments!"

You know who else started as a Liberal supporter? Ralph Klein.

People can make bad choices and come to their senses.

[newredneck]

Let me start with this... I do not support the WR. That said, if it wasn't for the WR, the PC party would still be in power. The WR has brought something to Alberta that we have been lacking for far too long... a decent opposition which is the cornerstone of a democracy.

Now, as someone who does not support the WR, this is how I see it:

I hated the arrogance of the PC party... I see this same arrogance in Kenney. I do not trust him. He is way to reminiscent of PC leaders of the past. Furthermore, I will not vote for any party led by him or any leftovers of the PC royalty of yesteryear.

As for the WR, while I do not currently support them, they do have a chance. I disagree with some of Brian Jean's fiscal views, but could live with them. I find him a genuinely wanting to do what he views to be best for Alberta. He has already shown that he has the ability to step up when needed and comes across as a pretty good guy. In short, I could live with him as Premier.

For me to vote WR, it is the social side that bothers me. I am more liberal than many on this site. Some of the things said by WR members makes me nervous. Now, I am in no way saying that the WR would have to move dramatically to the left socially, however I do think that if WR want to have a true shot at a majority, movement would have to take place.

Some have pointed out opinion polls on this thread -- how have those worked out in the past provincial and federal election. How about the American one? The NDP have a couple of years left. Lots of time to swing voters in their favor. That also leaves plenty of time for others to implode.

As an outsider looking in, I think the WR is in the best position to either win or lose the next election based on what happens in the near future.

[fargineyesore]

I like Fildebrandt. I think we need more like him that are not afraid to call it the way it is. I'm glad he did what he did to Wynne, she deserved it and these lying slimy politicians need to stop being treated with kid gloves.

Who cares if someone's feelings get hurt. He's trying to do whatever he can to get rid of the NDP in the next election, but some of you are calling him opportunistic and slagging him. To me he's anything but opportunistic, he's trying to do what is best for the province, not what is best for his Party.

I say, "carry on Derek".

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

You know who else started as a Liberal supporter? Ralph Klein.

People can make bad choices and come to their senses.

Yeah, I don't get too suspicious of people when they turn conservative from liberal. It's a wisdom/intelligence/life experience thing. When you turn liberal from conservative though...that's being opportunistic. (or Alzheimers)

[JustMe]

Originally Posted by Taco

It would appear that Alberta's right wing has a longassed way to go before they learn anything. Gonna be a painful wait.

So it seems:

https://www.facebook.com/pressprogre...88825731307245




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[hal53]

Originally Posted by JustMe

So it seems:

https://www.facebook.com/pressprogre...88825731307245




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...and???...he's a smart politician, I don't support him, but he knows the wheels are falling off the GW nonsense...

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by skidderman

The Pc's are what caused the mess we are in. To ask me to vote PC again is never going to happen. If they unite then I guess I just won't vote except perhaps if Brian Jean was the leader. I'm conservative to the core but what they did will not be forgotten. You do what you want. I know what I will or won't accept and it won't be another bunch of arrogant conservatives. Federal is a different story though.

Is a problem a manifestation of the party or the person? Can the PC's different under someone else? Has enough of a PC purge occurred?

[2 Tollers]

[QUOTE=Sundancefisher;3433236]Is a problem a manifestation of the party or the person? Can the PC's different under someone else? Has enough of a PC purge occurred?[/QUOTE]

Listening to Rick McIver speak on the party still having depth weekend --- my short answer would be NO. This would be to the old boys club that in my view equally arrogant to the current premier and her minions.

[CanuckShooter]

Originally Posted by rugatika

If the PC's have any interest in doing what is best for Alberta they shouldn't run any candidates in the next election.


I don't think the NDP stand a chance of winning any seats in the next election, judging by how poorly they're doing in the polls anyway. Last poll I saw they were well behind the Wildrose and PC's. That may change...but I doubt it.

Watch the polls after the rebate checks start pouring in.....

[thetruth]

Originally Posted by JustMe

So it seems:

https://www.facebook.com/pressprogre...88825731307245




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What's your point exactly??

[JustMe]

Originally Posted by hal53

...and???...he's a smart politician, I don't support him, but he knows the wheels are falling off the GW nonsense...

I thought some of the comments were comical. But it MIGHT show what the rest of Canada thinks of him?


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