Big Game Rifles

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by chuck

Your buddies pack an extra rifle half way around the world for "show"?

Yep

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Yep

How ridiculous is that? I know several people that hunt Africa and every single one of them does everything they can to limit the amount of rifles they take. It's almost hard to believe.

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by chuck

How ridiculous is that? I know several people that hunt Africa and every single one of them does everything they can to limit the amount of rifles they take. It's almost hard to believe.

When I was in my 20's I used to fly to Africa monthly. Its not that big of a deal. Its just luggage.

[Cowtown guy]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Yep

That's just stupid. The .375 does just fine on plains game.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

When I was in my 20's I used to fly to Africa monthly. Its not that big of a deal. Its just luggage.

No it isn't just luggage.

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by Cowtown guy

That's just stupid. The .375 does just fine on plains game.

This is what they do, I have never hunted there but it works for them.

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by chuck

No it isn't just luggage.

Please educate why it isn't.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Please educate why it isn't.

Do you have to register your underwear with your destination country when you fly to Africa? Are you limited by number or weight the amount of socks you can fly with? Because I would consider them "just luggage".

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by chuck

Do you have to register your underwear with your destination country when you fly to Africa? Are you limited by number or weight the amount of socks you can fly with? Because I would consider them "just luggage".

Seriously? This is your angle to refute my response. Try again. Please add facts and maybe some links to confirm your information.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Seriously? This is your angle to refute my response. Try again. Please add facts and maybe some links to confirm your information.

How about the next time you fly you just pack along a rifle in your bags. After all it is just luggage.

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by chuck

How about the next time you fly you just pack along a rifle in your bags. After all it is just luggage.

This response proves my point that one should retire from the keyboard when they don't know what they are talking about. Thanks Chuck, this makes me smile.

[DaleJ]

Originally Posted by chuck

This is not because I intend to use my bullets backwards.

Oh no! Been seating bullets backwords for 40 years. WTF didn't anybody tell me?

Thanks for the update, Chuch!

[Twisted Canuck]

I'm still hoping somebody can comment on using magnum shotgun slugs for DG, seems like it would be effective and less prone to cycling issues as a bolt gun (speaking specifically as a back up gun for the PH to use in those situations mentioned).

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

I'm still hoping somebody can comment on using magnum shotgun slugs for DG, seems like it would be effective and less prone to cycling issues as a bolt gun.

X2

[Pathfinder76]

This place is like the twilight zone. Holy jumpin Batman.

[Bergerboy]

Originally Posted by chuck

This place is like the twilight zone. Holy jumpin Batman.

This time, I agree with you.

[DaleJ]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

I'm still hoping somebody can comment on using magnum shotgun slugs for DG, seems like it would be effective and less prone to cycling issues as a bolt gun (speaking specifically as a back up gun for the PH to use in those situations mentioned).

12G slugs won't penetrate big boned thick skinned African animals. That would be an extreme example of taking a knife to a gun-fight.

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by DaleJ

12G slugs won't penetrate big boned thick skinned African animals. That would be an extreme example of taking a knife to a gun-fight.

Thank you, now I have the answer I was looking for.

[catnthehat]

Was the in fact any modern rifle besides the Mannlicher that Heath liked ?
Cat

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

Interesting conversation.
So this expert figures that 90%

And then what does the 338 Win rounds have to do with a DG rifle?

Nothing. But I am sending those dummies to make sure that the rifle feeds and functions correctly. Regardless of what it is intended for it still needs to work. I have had enough rifles built that have never seen a cartridge in the magazine box before I saw it to know that it isn't a real priority at times. Which simply astounds me.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Have a good weekend and tape up that knuckle before shooting other peoples rifles Charles!

Again. Other peoples rifles?

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Bergerboy

Seriously? This is your angle to refute my response. Try again. Please add facts and maybe some links to confirm your information.

Here are a couple of links someone was kind enough to PM me showing quite plainly that rifles are not just "luggage".

http://www.huntingreport.com/africa_...dures_temp.cfm


http://www.namibiansafari.com/huntnamFIREARMS1.htm

[gtr]

Not hard to tell its sunday night..

[Deer Hunter]

I have not traveled with guns to every African country.
But when we did go over, taking one gun was no different than taking two. Just another serial number on numerous pre submitted forms. Ammo? We came home with more than half of the ammo we brought as well. And had no weight issues. Iirc, we paid a fee for guns on the airline, but it wasn't by the gun.

The easiest would be to go over with no guns or ammo. But most don't need a better reason to bring another gun, especially if you own more than one and are enroute to a safari.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

I have not traveled with guns to every African country.
But when we did go over, taking one gun was no different than taking two. Just another serial number on numerous pre submitted forms. Ammo? We came home with more than half of the ammo we brought as well. And had no weight issues. Iirc, we paid a fee for guns on the airline, but it wasn't by the gun.

The easiest would be to go over with no guns or ammo. But most don't need a better reason to bring another gun, especially if you own more than one and are enroute to a safari.

Did you take a couple just to look at or have your photo taken with?

I guess you wouldn't even half to take ammunition for those. Maybe it is like packing a tooth brush.

[Deer Hunter]

Originally Posted by chuck

Did you take a couple just to look at?

I used them both.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Deer Hunter

I used them both.

Exactly. I have no qualms about anyone taking more than one rifle. But I would think they would have a reason to be taking them.

[marxman]

if you cant feed your rifle flapping your hands in girlish panic i will step up and skillfully dispatch that beast with my 783. i wont even laugh

[Leeper]

I think there is always a little BS involved but I don't doubt that some of the observations are valid.
The point he makes about the safeties being on the wrong side is valid but I seriously doubt that it adds any time to the firing of the first shot if the shooter is familiar with the location and operation of the safety. Familiarity with the Brno ZKK safety, for instance, made it's function a non-issue. I believe the problems associated with the loading of the Remington 700 have been exaggerated but don't doubt that they do exist in individual rifles (especially the RUM's). Rugers often do not feed well. This has always been the case and still is.
The issue with Weatherby rifles is not so much the high pressure of the cartridges as it is the lack of extraction camming available on any multi-lug action. This includes the Steyr-Mannlicher which would likely be given a pass simply because it is Austrian.
For whatever reason, African heat has always been hotter. African skin has always been thicker, and African bones have always been harder. Nonetheless, due to the sheer amount of game shot and the rough use given to so many of the rifles, Africa has always been a pretty good testing ground.
I have always been a little fascinated by the success of the double rifle. Here we have a firearm with two relatively complex and fragile firing mechanisms and a weak buttstock attachment yet they have always been highly regarded.
I have always felt that a serious field rifle would have a Mauser action and still feel that way. Once the potential for a jam when single loading has been eliminated, a good Mauser will not fail. Leeper

[Bushrat]

Originally Posted by marxman

if you cant feed your rifle flapping your hands in girlish panic i will step up and skillfully dispatch that beast with my 783. i wont even laugh

To funny, especially after watching "Kodiak" on discovery last night, the guided hunter froze and never got a shot off, the bear charged from about 25 yds away, one guide got a round off then jammed his A- Bolt, the other guide thankfully was there to put a round into and kill the charging grizzly. If the second guide wasn't there, there would have been some torn up or dead people.