leaving evidence of Sex when field dressing

[bucksman]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Right, but it's OR. So you can just leave as evidence what I said. And therein lies the problem. IF the issue is antlers or not, then you really should have to provide the head to prove antlered or antlerless.

sorry, wasnt arguing with you, was agreeing with you. the OR part makes everyone here correct as far as an argument is concerned. personal opinion is that its an antlered or antlerless tag. you either have an antlered animal or and antlerless animal. for those guys that dont retain the head, how are you suppose to prove if the antlers are over 4 inches if its still in the bush?

[bucksman]

Originally Posted by CNP

Works for road hunting only. Not everyone has a quad or can use a quad to recover a moose or elk from the backcountry. Head comes off!

head comes off, but still bring it with you no?

[CNP]

Originally Posted by bucksman

head comes off, but still bring it with you no?

the complete skull plate with horns or antlers intact must be retained with the carcass of the male antelope, male elk or male non-trophy sheep
the complete head must be retained with the carcass of a calf moose harvested under authority of a Calf Moose Special Licence.

if evidence of sex/species is attached then it is not required to retain the head with the exception of what is quoted above. Not going to carry a cow moose/elk head out of the backcountry.

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by bucksman

head comes off, but still bring it with you no?

YES ..law now...or skull plate and antlers...at one time... no

The evidence of sex, species or class that must be retained is as follows:

•moose, elk, deer, antelope, bison and non-trophy sheep - attached to the same part of the animal to which the tag is affixed, one of the following: ◦testicles, scrotum, or udder, and in the case of deer only, the completely haired tail, or
◦the head with horns or antlers attached if the animal has horns or antlers, or
◦the head (complete with the skin on it) if the animal has no horns or antlers, and in addition
◦the complete skull plate with horns or antlers intact must be retained with the carcass of the male antelope, male elk or male non-trophy sheep
◦the complete head must be retained with the carcass of a calf moose harvested under authority of a Calf Moose Special Licence.

Neil

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by CNP

if evidence of sex/species is attached then it is not required to retain the head with the exception of what is quoted above. Not going to carry a cow moose/elk head out of the backcountry.

No, we know it's not required. And I'm quite happy to continue to follow the current regulations. I don't want to have to bother with the head either. I'm just saying that the regulation doesn't actually address the question it is supposed to address. It doesn't matter what the sex of the animal is, it matters whether it had antlers or not, and a scrotum doesn't prove a legal rack.

[bucksman]

thats kinda why i asked, he said he doesnt bring the elk head. well how do i know if he shot a spiker? cows are a different story yes

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by bucksman

thats kinda why i asked, he said he doesnt bring the elk head. well how do i know if he shot a spiker? cows are a different story yes

Common sense again...retain what you need to prove what you took.

LC

[bucksman]

i bring it all. so i should never have a problem. but imagine if we all ran on common sense lefty? i enjoy the conversations on the archery discussion, no ones jumping down eachothers throat. cheers guys

[thumper]

I don't see any requirement here to bring out the head of an antlerless male moose, shot under authority of a 'Antlerless Moose' license, as long as evidence of sex is attached to same part of the animal to which the tag is affixed.


The evidence of sex, species or class that must be retained is as follows:

•moose, elk, deer, antelope, bison and non-trophy sheep - attached to the same part of the animal to which the tag is affixed,

ONE of the following:
◦testicles, scrotum, or udder, and in the case of deer only, the completely haired tail,
OR
◦the head with horns or antlers attached if the animal has horns or antlers,
OR
◦the head (complete with the skin on it) if the animal has no horns or antlers,

AND IN ADDITION
◦the complete skull plate with horns or antlers intact must be retained with the carcass of the male antelope, male elk or male non-trophy sheep
◦the complete head must be retained with the carcass of a calf moose harvested under authority of a Calf Moose Special Licence.

[RandyBoBandy]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

No, we know it's not required. And I'm quite happy to continue to follow the current regulations. I don't want to have to bother with the head either. I'm just saying that the regulation doesn't actually address the question it is supposed to address. It doesn't matter what the sex of the animal is, it matters whether it had antlers or not, and a scrotum doesn't prove a legal rack.

X2

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by bucksman

i bring it all. so i should never have a problem. but imagine if we all ran on common sense lefty? i enjoy the conversations on the archery discussion, no ones jumping down eachothers throat. cheers guys

Agree, I bring it all out too....if you are in a 3pt or 6pt minimum zone, folks better make sure they bring the head out...

If you have an antlerless tag and you get a young bull calf, it is in your best interest to bring its head out as well.

LC

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by thumper

I don't see any requirement here to bring out the head of an antlerless male moose, shot under authority of a 'Antlerless Moose' license, as long as evidence of sex is attached to same part of the animal to which the tag is affixed.


The evidence of sex, species or class that must be retained is as follows:

•moose, elk, deer, antelope, bison and non-trophy sheep - attached to the same part of the animal to which the tag is affixed,

ONE of the following:
◦testicles, scrotum, or udder, and in the case of deer only, the completely haired tail,
OR
◦the head with horns or antlers attached if the animal has horns or antlers,
OR
◦the head (complete with the skin on it) if the animal has no horns or antlers,

AND IN ADDITION
◦the complete skull plate with horns or antlers intact must be retained with the carcass of the male antelope, male elk or male non-trophy sheep
◦the complete head must be retained with the carcass of a calf moose harvested under authority of a Calf Moose Special Licence.

Good point...Been there...however there is is small print in the wildlife act that states "The onus is on you the hunter to prove that"...

Case in point ...years ago there was a anterless moose season in the mountains...my brother heard a couple bulls fighting way back in and went to watch...while watching a cow came in...
He shot it and was amazed when walked up to it and there were two velvet balls on its head...weird looking thing but under the fours inch antlers that quailified it under the anterless clause...

In short took two days to get out and head, legs hide etc was left at site...

Two days later a F&W officer came into camp...congradulated us and asked for tags, lic etc...when asked for evidence of sex on animal as it was in game bag..we stated "yes scrotem was on moose"...

He freaked and said it was illegal I argured the anterless rule being under 4"

He asked for head I stated we left it due to the long hard haul...this was before Quads...he said the onus was on us to prove it...so next day we went in to retrieve the head...of course a large pack of wolves, bears etc came in and cleaned up the site...clean...wold tracks , bear tracks...we searched for a half mile radius and not a leg bone or piece of hide and no head...which may have been buried by a grizz also...

Long story short ...moose was conviscated..and off to court my brother went...this was sept...court was in Jan...

Fought with above rules and was found NOT guilty....due to how as you stated it reads...and what was left with moose was returned...it was hung whole for all those months and freezer burned...court was half way across Alberta...after costly trips, time off work, stress, and a freezer burnt moose....

You bet I would/ will always bring out head in that case, the onus is on you to prove that it is legal...stress and bullcrap isnt worth it!!


Neil

[Okotokian]

nevermind. edit

[bucksman]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

Agree, I bring it all out too....if you are in a 3pt or 6pt minimum zone, folks better make sure they bring the head out...

If you have an antlerless tag and you get a young bull calf, it is in your best interest to bring its head out as well.

LC

shooting a calf on an antlerless tag?? wow you just opened a new can of worms haha

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by bucksman

shooting a calf on an antlerless tag?? wow you just opened a new can of worms haha

How so?

A calf tag is good for a calf...although someone here once claimed a two year old moose was still a calf

An antlerless moose tag is good for any moose with less than 4" of antler... actually most biologists and game management specialist prefer you take the calf over the cow.

...I certainly didn't mean an antlerless DEER tag...we are talking about moose

LC

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by bucksman

shooting a calf on an antlerless tag?? wow you just opened a new can of worms haha

How so? First of all, he seemed to be talking about elk. But lets talk moose. I've never hunted one or gotten enough priority to do so, so I haven't paid much attention to moose regs. There seem to be zones where you can hunt "Antlerless (calf only)", but other zones where you can hunt "antlerless", period, which I assume could include calves. No?

[bucksman]

i was joking, but yes i was talking moose, i have an antlered moose tag and ive been thinking about moose alot lately alright

[thumper]

There are 3 moose tags available:

Antlered moose
Antlerless moose
Calf moose

If you hold an Antlerless Moose license, you can shoot a cow moose or a calf moose - any moose without antlers.

If you hold a Calf Moose license, you can only shoot a calf moose. You need to retain the head so that it can be easily identified as a calf.

Why issue 'Calf Moose' licenses?
Intuitively, you would think that shooting calves would reduce the herd size, but biologists recognize that calf moose have a much poorer chance of surviving the winter than adult moose, and so issuing tags for the calf segment of the population (INSTEAD OF ADULT MOOSE), will provide opportunity for some moose hunting of a population with high natural mortality rates, while keeping more of the adult, breeding population on the landscape.
Besides - calves taste better!

[L.O.S.T.Arrow]

Originally Posted by thumper

There are 3 moose tags available:

Antlered moose
Antlerless moose
Calf moose

If you hold an Antlerless Moose license, you can shoot a cow moose or a calf moose - any moose without antlers.
If you hold a Calf Moose license, you can only shoot a calf moose. You need to retain the head so that it can be easily identified as a calf.

Why issue 'Calf Moose' licenses?
Intuitively, you would think that shooting calves would reduce the herd size, but biologists recognize that calf moose have a much poorer chance of surviving the winter than adult moose, and so issuing tags for the calf segment of the population (INSTEAD OF ADULT MOOSE), will provide opportunity for some moose hunting of a population with high natural mortality rates, while keeping more of the adult, breeding population on the landscape.
Besides - calves taste better!

Not entire correct!!!

Antlered - A white-tailed deer, moose or elk having an antler exceeding 10.2 cm (4 in.) in length.
Antlerless - A white-tailed deer, moose or elk that is not "antlered" (as defined above)

You can shoot an antlered moose with antlers shorter than 4" in length,,,
few and far between but I have seen them!!!

Neil