Mildot or moa

[Smokinyotes]

After reading the thread about FFP scopes it looks like a lot of guys prefer mildots. Myself, I think in MOA. I'm an old bugger and the metric system was just coming in when I finished school. To me thinking in mils just makes it more difficult. What's your thoughts?

[wolf308]

yeah im with you ......have stuck with mildot and moa forever now....not gonna bother learning a whole new ranging/adjustment system

[Skytop B]

Actually mrad works either way 1 Mrad = 1m @ 1000m or 1 yard at 1000 yards. its just easier to divide 1m into tenths. The system works on tenths.
1/10 mil = 1cm at 100m or 10cm @ 1000m.

[DaleJ]

More important to have reticle and knobs the same than to either mils or MOA in a FFP scope. One Mil is:
1 mile @ 1000 miles
1 meter @ 1000 meters
1 yard @ 1000 yards
10 centimeters @ 100 meters
3.6 inches @ 100 yards (3600 inches)

Because multiples of 10 are easy to calculate a lot of "unknown distance" shooters prefer mils. With FFP and reticles that match adjustment knobs it might require a coin flip to choose correctly, between MOA and MILS.

[Skytop B]

Originally Posted by DaleJ

More important to have reticle and knobs the same than to either mils or MOA in a FFP scope. One Mil is:
1 mile @ 1000 miles
1 meter @ 1000 meters
1 yard @ 1000 yards
10 centimeters @ 100 meters
3.6 inches @ 100 yards (3600 inches)

Because multiples of 10 are easy to calculate a lot of "unknown distance" shooters prefer mils. With FFP and reticles that match adjustment knobs it might require a coin flip to choose correctly, between MOA and MILS.

Yes, this is where guys get confused, the reason I switched to mRAD. With a milling reticle and MOA turrets you will need a calculator to convert the mils to moa (multiply mils my 3.4377 to obtain your adjustments). Much simpler to just use mils. I heard that someone did come out with an MOA reticle, not sure if was nightforce?

[Skytop B]

Couple weeks ago set out my new IPSC steel at 1000m by my gps, set up and started shooting, to my surprise I was grossly missing the steel. I did know the target height was 0.75m so quickly milled it at 0.8 mils in the reticle, that works out to 940m, batteries in my range finder were too low to reach that far. Turns out the new GPS is a POS because when I dialed in the 950m dope it was a first round hit. Another point for FFP and a milling reticle.

[Smokinyotes]

My night force has the MOAR-T reticle. I know if I'm shooting 16" right of where I want to hit on the target at 800 yards, if I hold 2 MOA left it hits bang on where I want. I think if I was to switch to a mil dot scope it would totally screw me up. I have seen a few scopes that have turrets in 1/4 MOA and the reticle in mil dots. To me, that would really be confusing.

[DaleJ]

Originally Posted by Smokinyotes

My night force has the MOAR-T reticle. I know if I'm shooting 16" right of where I want to hit on the target at 800 yards, if I hold 2 MOA left it hits bang on where I want. I think if I was to switch to a mil dot scope it would totally screw me up. I have seen a few scopes that have turrets in 1/4 MOA and the reticle in mil dots. To me, that would really be confusing.

MILs and MOA don't mix that well and I wouldn't want one. But MILs reticle and knobs are as easy or easier to use than MOA reticle / MOA knobs. With a FFP MOA reticle you would hold your center on your miss right and dial left until your center (cross hair) was on target where you wanted to hit. With a MIL/MIL setup you would do exactly the same.