Carry permit

[slough shark]

Hey guys I have a trapline out west up against the Rockies, only had it for the last season and a bit but I was thinking about starting trapping a bit earlier this year and future years and bears will be out and about. I’d like to be able to get my carry permit for handguns for either this fall or next year, I don’t know to much about it other than I should be able to get it no problem. Are there caliber restrictions? Is there a separate course?

[Who Da Fisherman]

Originally Posted by slough shark

Hey guys I have a trapline out west up against the Rockies, only had it for the last season and a bit but I was thinking about starting trapping a bit earlier this year and future years and bears will be out and about. I’d like to be able to get my carry permit for handguns for either this fall or next year, I don’t know to much about it other than I should be able to get it no problem. Are there caliber restrictions? Is there a separate course?

Check this link out

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showt...t=Carry+permit

WDF

[sourdough doug]

At the time I got my ATT and ATC, there were no restrictions regarding calibre. Initially the calibre had to be of "sufficient" size as it was to be used for protection purposes. Since that time, a smaller calibre can now be carried and used for dispatching as the larger one is self explanatory..There are lots of hoops that I had to jump thru to get mine, making me probably more qualified than most " wanna be's".. Not sure if one still has to be a member to a gun club
or if the proficiency testing can be done at one of the indoor gun ranges (where mebmbership would be easier to access..???

[Big Grey Wolf]

Lots of hoops to jump through. Level 1 holster, need to shoot like 'Billy the Kid", need to be active member of range, only 10 page application, two different applications Dispatch/ Protection etc
CFO do everything they can to prevent you from getting your ATC.
Lastly they limit your practicle use on line.
PS I am just to stubborn and have to many grizz on my trapline.

[TrapperMike]

Waste of my time to get permit. Once I received my permit I was informed that I had to carry my pistol in a holster with a safety latch over the pistol and it has to be in a waist holster completely visible. No shoulder holster. Also had to have a trigger lock and in a lock box when transporting it in truck, or on a quad or snowmobile. So if I’m on Joe’s land and I’m going to jump into my truck to go check snares on Dave’s land which is right next door, I have to lock up my gun. Or if I’m in grizzly territory and in on my quad, my pistol has to be locked up. Found it easier to carry a fold down.22 rifle.

[sourdough doug]

Originally Posted by TrapperMike

Waste of my time to get permit. Once I received my permit I was informed that I had to carry my pistol in a holster with a safety latch over the pistol and it has to be in a waist holster completely visible. No shoulder holster. Also had to have a trigger lock and in a lock box when transporting it in truck, or on a quad or snowmobile. So if I’m on Joe’s land and I’m going to jump into my truck to go check snares on Dave’s land which is right next door, I have to lock up my gun. Or if I’m in grizzly territory and in on my quad, my pistol has to be locked up. Found it easier to carry a fold down.22 rifle.

Really now, let's give our heads a shake..and read between the lines.
It is probably written that if we don't breathe we will die...????

[Big Grey Wolf]

Latest info I saw was Trudeau will not even let our Alberta CFO sign off on ATC,s. Needs to be a Ottawa boy.

[whiskeywillow]

It's true, an ATC is a long slow process to approval, so apply soon if you have any wish to have that thing by fall 2022 ... there will be a stack of paperwork to go through, phonecalls back n forth with CFO reps, interviews and range qualifications to pass as well. It's fairly involved. But at least the Alberta office (was) pretty realistic about ok'ing them. I don't know what the current staff will be like since the changeover though, mine isn't up til spring ... I hope the new office will be at least as good as the last. Theoretically supposed to be better, but who knows yet..

Have any of you guys gone through ATC renewals since the Sept.1 changeover here in Alberta?? Positive opinions on how it was handled, or no?

The last phonecall I had with old staff didn't reveal much enthusiasm that very many, if any, of the old personell in Alberta Chief Firearms office would be kept on after Sept.1st ... pretty curious what to expect going forward

[cody j]

Originally Posted by TrapperMike

Waste of my time to get permit. Once I received my permit I was informed that I had to carry my pistol in a holster with a safety latch over the pistol and it has to be in a waist holster completely visible. No shoulder holster. Also had to have a trigger lock and in a lock box when transporting it in truck, or on a quad or snowmobile. So if I’m on Joe’s land and I’m going to jump into my truck to go check snares on Dave’s land which is right next door, I have to lock up my gun. Or if I’m in grizzly territory and in on my quad, my pistol has to be locked up. Found it easier to carry a fold down.22 rifle.

If you are on an atv the handgun does not need to be locked up, it only needs to be unloaded. In a truck must be locked up. What’s a safety latch on a holster? I was told just a hip holster that covers the trigger.

[cody j]

Originally Posted by Big Grey Wolf

Lots of hoops to jump through. Level 1 holster, need to shoot like 'Billy the Kid", need to be active member of range, only 10 page application, two different applications Dispatch/ Protection etc
CFO do everything they can to prevent you from getting your ATC.
Lastly they limit your practicle use on line.
PS I am just to stubborn and have to many grizz on my trapline.

The target has a radius of 9 inches, which means 18 inches across. You don’t have to be Billy the Kid to hit that. You pretty much need a gun club membership to own restricted anyways.

[buckman]

May be better off with a pistol grip pump shotgun.SSG in the chamber then slugs to follow.

[dugh]

About ten years ago the CFO we dealt with was great, very knowledgeable, Mark if I recall. Caliber had to be larger than 9mm for protection, 22 for dispatch. Could not legally carry under coats had to be open. We never renewed. Got a 12 gauge defender, luckily we've never used.

[slough shark]

Thanks for all the info guys, it gives me a good starting ground and some things to think over on what route to take.

[sourdough doug]

I don't see that it has been mentioned previously but.- - one has to purchase your handgun prior to applying....still not knowing if you will make the grade..
......enjoy the game...

[slough shark]

Originally Posted by sourdough doug

I don't see that it has been mentioned previously but.- - one has to purchase your handgun prior to applying....still not knowing if you will make the grade..
......enjoy the game...

By all rights I should be alright, I’m an aheia instructor, a range officer, plenty of handgun experience, I just haven’t bothered buying one because I haven’t had a practical reason to do so.

[TrapperMike]

Cody the safety strap I referred to is a snap strap that goes over the hammer or encloses the holster to keep gun secure. The CFO that I dealt with out of Edmonton is the one that informed me that all pistols must have trigger lock and be in a lock box when transporting on a motorized vehicle. He said this includes quads and snow machines.

[fordtruckin]

Originally Posted by TrapperMike

Waste of my time to get permit. Once I received my permit I was informed that I had to carry my pistol in a holster with a safety latch over the pistol and it has to be in a waist holster completely visible. No shoulder holster. Also had to have a trigger lock and in a lock box when transporting it in truck, or on a quad or snowmobile. So if I’m on Joe’s land and I’m going to jump into my truck to go check snares on Dave’s land which is right next door, I have to lock up my gun. Or if I’m in grizzly territory and in on my quad, my pistol has to be locked up. Found it easier to carry a fold down.22 rifle.

You mean a holster equipped with what is commonly referred to as a "thumb break"?

[Big Grey Wolf]

The no load in truck/quad is a Alberta Provincial Hunting Regulation. It was for safety, when excited road hunters might jump out with loaded rifles. Province just applied it to holstered handguns, which are obviously much safer with strap/holster. Do not think police run around with unloaded handguns in patrol cars.
Had good discussion with F &W at trappers meeting and he felt regulation should be changed for loaded handguns, especially on traplines
Basically a redundant provincial law trying to overrule a Federal ATC carry law..

[cody j]

Originally Posted by TrapperMike

Cody the safety strap I referred to is a snap strap that goes over the hammer or encloses the holster to keep gun secure. The CFO that I dealt with out of Edmonton is the one that informed me that all pistols must have trigger lock and be in a lock box when transporting on a motorized vehicle. He said this includes quads and snow machines.

I was told otherwise but we may have been dealing with different CFOs. I do agree though, that if it had to be locked up on a quad it’s not worthwhile. I also was told nothing about a safety strap specifically, just that it had to be a hip holster that covered the trigger.

[Big Grey Wolf]

Only a Fool would walk around with a unloaded handgun in grizzly country!

[sourdough doug]

[QUOTE=Big Grey Wolf;4428310]
Had good discussion with F &W at trappers meeting and he felt regulation should be changed for loaded handguns, especially on traplines
Basically a redundant provincial law trying to overrule a Federal ATC carry law..

Exactly and hopefully any meeting with a F&W on the line would not result in any problems.....unless they were looking for stripes.. We are packing for protection, not to look cool

[kritz]

You have to go to the rcmp website and fill out the form . https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/wam/media...b40a57fa19.pdf when this is reviewed the send you a questionnaire and you will need a proficiency exam to be done by a range officer or instructor. It may differ pending the choice you make. To carry on a RFMA it is to be used for dispatch , lots of questions why a handgun is needed and cannot be done by a rifle. Yes it has to be locked in a case during quading/sledding. Open carry in a hip holster off ATV/sled and lock up rules at cabin. Proficiency is shooting 10 out of 12 into a 2”circle at 3and 5 meters . You have three try’s to pass. Plus how you handle the gun during the shooting exam. First year is only one year and then need to re apply for 2 years max.
The protection one may have a different application questionnaire. If you can’t explain why you need a handgun to dispatch and can’t do it with a rifle it may not make sense. Again to apply for protection in the western side may be different.

[Big Grey Wolf]

Kritz, most of what you outlined is correct. You need to separate 'Dispatch" and 'Protection'. Shooting for protection has three much longer distances.
When CFO's interviewed me for my ATC few years back usual question such as did I consider rifle or bear spray. "I told them I was concerned when bear broke into our outfitter tent, ate can of Raid and the Bear Spray."

[sourdough doug]

And in my case, "protection" became the flavor of the day, when picking spring beaver on a dam set, a bear came on to the dam, between myself and the quad...where my "protective "rifle was..needless to say, I exited, stage left and had to make a big circle, hoping the bear was feeding on my beaver, with no thoughts of me.. Several years prior, a bear came upon me when I was doing the same thing but not from the quad side..that was strike ..one and two...not gonna be a third time. No problem since then, guess he knows that dude is packing and is not to be "f" with.. That is when I got my handgun...

PS.. Bearspray is fine if you can get the wind to change direction when you need it to..

[dugh]

Big Grey, I saw a Grizz sow and 2 cubs by the Iosegun River close to where Hwy.43 crosses, that was September.

[Big Grey Wolf]

Dugh, we just spent few days moose hunting on Iosigun, lots of cows but no bulls. Partner had a cougar cross cutline 100 yard in front of him, nice big kitty so no problem.