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Old 08-30-2021, 08:08 AM
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Default Broadhead weight and total arrow weight

Just wondering what you guys and gals take is on Broadhead weight and total Arrow weight required for different species at 60 pound draw weight?
Just looking to see what you all use for white tail and blackbear and elk and moose? Currently my draw weight is 60 pounds. 100 grain QAD Exadous
Gold tip expedition Hunter arrows 5575 8.2g/inch
Total weight 377 grains
Quest G5 with 60# limbs.

Thinking of going heavier for moose/elk. Total weight in the 400 to 450 grain area to not loose too much speed.

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Old 08-30-2021, 09:03 AM
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I personally like heavier high FOC arrows for all applications, right now Iím shooting 125gr TOTA 4 blades in the larger cutting diameter with 175gr of added weight at the insert with a 70lb draw. Donít remember my exact arrows weight but its heavy and the foc is over 20% which I like.
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Old 08-30-2021, 09:15 AM
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IMO there’s a happy medium with weight, FOC and speed.

If you go heavy up front, you need a stiffer arrow, which is also heavier.

With that comes slower speed, and a bigger drop at distance.

You don’t need a 20% FOC arrow to kill anything. A 100gr head with a standard insert on any hunting shaft will kill.

I’m running what I would call a happy medium out of my bow, 100gr wasp boss, 110gr ethics insert, VAP TKO 300 spine, victory spot nock. Total arrow weight is 525gr and it comes out of my bow at 273fps.
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Old 08-30-2021, 10:07 AM
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I lighter weight shoot flat bowsof about 42 pounds in my later years , really slow by today's compound bow standards .
I also like heavier cedar arrows and broadheads of about 145 - 160 grains grains.
The balance for me is a heavy arrow flying straight out to about 30 or 40ish yards which the only thing I will shoot at is small game at that distance
If I can bring my bow up and release an arrow into my target at 20 yards in a split second, I'm good with that.
Been shooting recurves and flat bows since 1966 so I'm a bit set in my ways and I'm okay with that
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IMO thereís a happy medium with weight, FOC and speed.

If you go heavy up front, you need a stiffer arrow, which is also heavier.

With that comes slower speed, and a bigger drop at distance.

You donít need a 20% FOC arrow to kill anything. A 100gr head with a standard insert on any hunting shaft will kill.

Iím running what I would call a happy medium out of my bow, 100gr wasp boss, 110gr ethics insert, VAP TKO 300 spine, victory spot nock. Total arrow weight is 525gr and it comes out of my bow at 273fps.
Iím thinking of picking some outserts for my VAPís. Where did you pick those up? I have same arrow but use QAD exodus BH.
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Old 08-30-2021, 11:03 AM
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I also think the whole extreme foc is a waste of time, yes it does work but there's no point in chasing a percentage. I'm pulling 70 lbs and shooting match grade Easton Axis in a 300 spine which are 9.7 gpi, running a 50 grain brass insert with a 100grain slick trick up front my arrows are coming in around 497. I have no idea what my foc is and don't care because my setup flys great and packs a pretty good punch.
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Old 08-30-2021, 02:18 PM
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Just wondering what you guys and gals take is on Broadhead weight and total Arrow weight required for different species at 60 pound draw weight?
Just looking to see what you all use for white tail and blackbear and elk and moose? Currently my draw weight is 60 pounds. 100 grain QAD Exadous
Gold tip expedition Hunter arrows 5575 8.2g/inch
Total weight 377 grains
Quest G5 with 60# limbs.

Thinking of going heavier for moose/elk. Total weight in the 400 to 450 grain area to not loose too much speed.

Thanks
If you want to 'learn' more about this, head over to archerytalk, where it is the subject of MUCH heated debate...
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Old 08-30-2021, 03:06 PM
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The most important thing is having a setup that you shoot well, whatever that is. But with a properly tuned bow at hunting distances I like the performance of a heavy weight forward fixed blade, especially the penetration on larger game. A lot of people avoid fixed blade heads because they arenít shooting a tuned bow or have form imperfections causing less than ideal groups, I used to be the same but Iím happy with my setup now. Not too fast not too slow, KInetic energy doesnít matter at all in a bow but momentum does and mass matters once you start trying to push through tissue with a projectile.
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The speed crowd will never agree with the extreme FOC crowd .


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Old 08-30-2021, 05:51 PM
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Iím thinking of picking some outserts for my VAPís. Where did you pick those up? I have same arrow but use QAD exodus BH.
From ethics archeryís website.

Iron will also has a good setup too.
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I did this on my old bow (60 lb, now a backup) to resolve some broadhead flight issues. Ended up having to go 20-30-40-45-50 on the sight pins which is kinda annoying, but it shoots well. I donít have the specs handy but itíd be close to what you are thinking of.

If you arenít having issues, I donít think you will see a benefit in penetration. You arenít underpowered for moose. You will see a difference in trajectory however. Seems like more cons than pros
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I pull at 60# with 125 gn montecs and a total arrow weight of 550 grains. I chronoed it at 248 FPS.
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Old 08-31-2021, 08:26 AM
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I will chrono my current set up and likely just go to a 150 grain head.
This will bump my weight from 377grains up to 427 grains.
Iíd like to keep my QAD Exodus 100 grain setup for deer and switch to the 150s when I get to go for moose or elk but Switching requires tuning and I have to zero each time. Maybe the 150s will not be too slow or not drop too much and I can have a one and done solution .

So any suggestions on 150 grain heads? Iím thinking cut on contact possibly 2 blade ?
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I will chrono my current set up and likely just go to a 150 grain head.
This will bump my weight from 377grains up to 427 grains.
Iíd like to keep my QAD Exodus 100 grain setup for deer and switch to the 150s when I get to go for moose or elk but Switching requires tuning and I have to zero each time. Maybe the 150s will not be too slow or not drop too much and I can have a one and done solution .

So any suggestions on 150 grain heads? Iím thinking cut on contact possibly 2 blade ?
Just an update. I did Chrono my 100 gr exedous and I was getting 309 FPS.
Once I get the 150s Iíll get another speed and see the difference in poi
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Old 09-12-2021, 10:14 PM
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GOLD TIP XT Hunter 8.9gr/in
Bohning Blazer vanes
Sonic 125gr

total 397.5 gr total using Creed XS 67lb draw.

no clue on speed but hits where i want with all the pins
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70# Matthews VXR, 27" DL. Easton bloodline 240, easton foc, brass insert, trimmed to 64 grn, +-, 6 grain Easton 2013 footer, 150 grain Magnus buzz cut. Fly bareshaft flawlessly. TAW of 506 ish.. Right around 260,fps..

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So does one just throw a completed arrow on a scale to calculate this or is there something else involved?
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Old 10-09-2021, 06:38 PM
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So does one just throw a completed arrow on a scale to calculate this or is there something else involved?

If your just chasing total weightÖ yes, put it on a scale.

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If your just chasing total weightÖ yes, put it on a scale.

Thanks. Gonna try it, never know I may have a horrible arrow set up.
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Buy a book called "how to tune your compound bow" it is a bit dated but an easy read and will answer most, if not all your questions.
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