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Old 11-19-2020, 11:09 AM
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Are all provinces equal with population density etc? No. So you cant compare them.
Someone was comparing Manhattan to Nova Scotia not to long ago!
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Old 11-19-2020, 11:12 AM
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I agree. Its a disease. It has nothing to do with Politics. A persons health is ultimately there own responsibility.
I wish more people understood that. If people actually cared about their health, no more sugar/beer/cigarettes/fast food/pop/etc. and start running a mile or two a day. Buttttt, it's easier to complain about someone not wearing a mask so, guess what people are gonna do.
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Old 11-19-2020, 11:13 AM
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For all you guys who still think this is another version of the seasonal flu, and is only serious for old people, I got word this morning one of my former students is fighting for her life right now in an induced coma in a local ICU. Two days from feeling shtty to fighting for her life. Parents told the only way they can visit is if things worsen and their daughter is taken off the systems that are helping to keep her alive.
Many of us believe that covid exists, and that it can be fatal, but we don't necessarily believe all of the so called experts like Tam, who don't agree with each other, and seem to be changing their mind on a regular basis. And we certainly are not going to blindly follow politicians , whose want to use covid to gain more control over the citizens. Many of these people have ulterior motives, and their priority is not our safety.
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Old 11-19-2020, 11:13 AM
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The point I have been trying to get across in all my posts to this thread is that where I live in Manitoba that we have the most per capita cases of all of the provinces and that our health care system is currently overwhelmed.
So we are locked down to try to flatten the curve so the infection rate is manageable and people will be able to get care they need.
Do those numbers in the article reflect if people canít get the care they need then how many will die?
All along we know there will be cases and the graphs always plotted cases requiring hospitalization to amount of space we for those people.
They also stated testing capacity and contract tracing will go a long way to flattening the curve as well.
The Manitoba government fell down on all counts . Didnít expand number of ICU beds , testing capacity , contact tracing resources , etc.
So when are second wave hit it just skyrocketed because of all the measures where not ready for the fall spike and number of beds were not expanded to handle even slightly higher number of cases .
Our government spent money instead advertising that other provinces should come vacation in Manitoba when our case counts were low instead of spending that money for more ICU beds . Flipping idiot premier !!

Did u forget that why we were trying to limit the spread and flatten the curve? Maybe you have since u donít care %1 of population will die . Hope none of your family or friends are not part of that %1. But if Manitoba keeps cases above capacity of health care that will be %2, 3, 4 and also even it they get more beds we have no one to look after the patients as the amount of health care workers with covid is increasing daily and there is a shortage.

I have laid out Manitobaís problem right now . What is your solution right now besides a lockdown? Remember u need to flatten the curve.

That is my point!!!

This is a virus, all your attempts to control it and youíre still failing.....

There is no solution other than a lockdown, itís that simple. So act accordingly, the stats are out there, donít be so foolish as to believe government restrictions will save you from contracting the virus. If you donít want to catch it, go into lockdown, itís a fairly simple concept.
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Old 11-19-2020, 11:19 AM
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I wish more people understood that. If people actually cared about their health, no more sugar/beer/cigarettes/fast food/pop/etc. and start running a mile or two a day. Buttttt, it's easier to complain about someone not wearing a mask so, guess what people are gonna do.
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Old 11-19-2020, 11:23 AM
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I see your link and raise you my link

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globaln...al-number/amp/
What's your point? That particular area of Germany was rampant with infection so of course there would be a lot of people in the area with anti bodies....
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Old 11-19-2020, 11:26 AM
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I wish more people understood that. If people actually cared about their health, no more sugar/beer/cigarettes/fast food/pop/etc. and start running a mile or two a day. Buttttt, it's easier to complain about someone not wearing a mask so, guess what people are gonna do.
Exactly! If you are worried that you are a high risk if you catch covid, due to you being 80 lbs overweight, and having your lungs contaminated from smoking, perhaps you should have thought of your health many years ago?
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Old 11-19-2020, 11:53 AM
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What's your point? That particular area of Germany was rampant with infection so of course there would be a lot of people in the area with anti bodies....
My point? Youíre getting your numbers from people who donate blood. First off, how many people are the type to donate blood but not report contracting covid 19? Or how many people would contract covid 19 then think itís a good idea to go donate blood?

Hereís another more local link for you.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ct...1_4989649.html
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Old 11-19-2020, 12:14 PM
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Bergerboy, I was quoting cases/100,000 population for each province. Alberta is now 2nd from the bottom of the pile in real terms for how well we did in a World Pandemic.
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Old 11-19-2020, 12:21 PM
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I dont like the fact that my fellow Albertans are turning into east German Stasi! The very idea that fellow Albertans would rat out there fellow citizens for the hideous crime of daring to not wear a mask is repugnant to me.



My wife has worked in a Health for 27 years and finds all the measures we are taking to be laughable.



Masks dont work if you touch them after you put them on. Everyone and I mean everyone is always adjusting there masks.



Once you touch a surface that others come in contact with your are now "contaminated" Do people wash or sanitize there hands the moment after they touch anything? Nope.



People think they stay safe and order in food or buy stuff from Amazon. I got news for you you are contaminated. The moment you touch anything that any other person along the chain of that package or food item coming to you is now on your hands.



Life is dangerous but you cant stop living. If your that worried about dieing I would recommend getting right with your Creator


Spot on sir . I see folks looking for numbers to turn people in I feel weíve lost ourselves completely. Repulsive to the extreme
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Old 11-19-2020, 01:10 PM
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I dont like the fact that my fellow Albertans are turning into east German Stasi! The very idea that fellow Albertans would rat out there fellow citizens for the hideous crime of daring to not wear a mask is repugnant to me.



My wife has worked in a Health for 27 years and finds all the measures we are taking to be laughable.



Masks dont work if you touch them after you put them on. Everyone and I mean everyone is always adjusting there masks.


I hear this lots and it is not an accurate statement . A mask is intended to capture aerosol droplets that may carry the virus . Touching it the mask does not reduce the efficiency i dont think . Touching other surfaces after touching your mask may spread the virus , but no worst than touching your mouth and then touching other surfaces .
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Old 11-19-2020, 01:28 PM
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I dont like the fact that my fellow Albertans are turning into east German Stasi! The very idea that fellow Albertans would rat out there fellow citizens for the hideous crime of daring to not wear a mask is repugnant to me.



My wife has worked in a Health for 27 years and finds all the measures we are taking to be laughable.



Masks dont work if you touch them after you put them on. Everyone and I mean everyone is always adjusting there masks.


I hear this lots and it is not an accurate statement . A mask is intended to capture aerosol droplets that may carry the virus . Touching it the mask does not reduce the efficiency i dont think . Touching other surfaces after touching your mask may spread the virus , but no worst than touching your mouth and then touching other surfaces .

Iím not sure, but I think people have a tendency to touch their mask more often than they would touch their mouth without a mask on. Another thing Iíve noticed is that while Iím wearing a mask my safety glasses will fog up, obviously not all vapors are blocked by the mask. I imagine if I had safety glasses on my ears that they would fog up from vapors escaping out the sides as well.
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Old 11-19-2020, 02:15 PM
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You know what nay sayers u have at it. Only thing I know is I need to follow the rules set out by my province and last rule was is no non-essential good purchases allowed in big box stores and other ones. Looks like they didn’t want people lining up for Black Friday deals that those big box stores are still advertising !
I would say take care but I think you are not worried about covid.
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Old 11-19-2020, 02:36 PM
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Huh, this is EXACTLY what Iíve been saying, to the point that itís almost like theyíve read my posts here to form their opinion. Iím interested to hear what our local AO health specialists have to say about the article and the real world numbers itís presenting.
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Are expendable?

Many of these comorbidities are annoyances that rarely kill people these days.

All my Grandparents and my father would not be considered "Healthy" and my Grandparents have all have had multiple comorbidities for decades... If they get covid and die do you seriously think it was the comorbidities that killed them?

Be careful what conclusions you draw when looking at stats. You have to interpret the data not just look at the numbers.
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Old 11-19-2020, 02:48 PM
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Btw that Furrey article is referencing this data.

https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-1...statistics.htm

Our main issue in many eyes isn't the "expendable" multi comorbidity old people dying. It is our healthcare system.

24.2% of hospitalizations are healthy individuals with no comorbidities. A further 18.4% have only one of the listed comorbidities.

16.2% of ICU patients have no comorbidities. A further 21.3% only have one comorbidity.

Even if you choose to throw away the old and fragile you will still have an overrun healthcare system if you do not follow similar precautions to what is occurring now.
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So people with



Are expendable?

Many of these comorbidities are annoyances that rarely kill people these days.

All my Grandparents and my father would not be considered "Healthy" and my Grandparents have all have had multiple comorbidities for decades... If they get covid and die do you seriously think it was the comorbidities that killed them?

Be careful what conclusions you draw when looking at stats. You have to interpret the data not just look at the numbers.


Expendable?


For a guy that constantly brags about how smart you are you sure seem to have an issue with comprehension. Iíve been saying all along that if you have a compromised immune system or are elderly you should take extra caution. I suppose if those you mentioned in your family do get covid itís just because they didnít wear a mask. Maybe you should take up these concerns with them rather than trying to convince others?
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Old 11-19-2020, 02:54 PM
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This Zoom Meeting was recorded from Alberta Health

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Old 11-19-2020, 03:31 PM
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This Zoom Meeting was recorded from Alberta Health

https://youtu.be/uEo3rnU12jw
Another link.

https://electroverse.net/dr-roger-ho...on-covid-hoax/

Not the most credible source but if Dr. Roger Hodkinson did in fact say these things then we ought to pay attention.

Does anyone here know someone at the Alberta legislature that can confirm or deny this was said by him?
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Bergerboy, I was quoting cases/100,000 population for each province. Alberta is now 2nd from the bottom of the pile in real terms for how well we did in a World Pandemic.
Can you let me know where you found this metric? Looking on the covid19 Canada site we are the province with the second highest rate of infection significantly behind Quebec and pretty much on par with Manitoba. We also have the highest testing rates in the county with Quebec and Ontario close behind. There is no single metric that is a true indicator of success/failure. Unless I am mistaken.
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Expendable?


For a guy that constantly brags about how smart you are you sure seem to have an issue with comprehension. Iíve been saying all along that if you have a compromised immune system or are elderly
Says the guy that cant put 2 and 2 together...

You were commenting about an opinion article that downplays the risks of covid by making it sound like these comorbidities are huge health risks that were likely going to kill these people anyways.

In reality there are millions of younger otherwise healthy people that have these comorbidities. High blood pressure, diabetes etc are super common. Even the elderly with multiple of these comorbidites have been living with them for years/decades and most likely the majority of them would have continued to do so if they hadn't of been infected by a virus that puts many young healthy individuals in hospital/ICU...
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Old 11-19-2020, 05:50 PM
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It will be interesting to see if the case rate diverges between BC and Alberta. BC has just decided to mandate mandatory mask use in all indoor public spaces, as well as putting on travel and gathering restrictions.
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It will be interesting to see if the case rate diverges between BC and Alberta. BC has just decided to mandate mandatory mask use in all indoor public spaces, as well as putting on travel and gathering restrictions.
Honest question (I rarely get into the big cities) but I thought you had to wear a mask indoors for Edmonton and Calgary?

Took a look at BCs policies, from the CTV BC site, they indicate:

The rules, which have been in place since Nov. 7, require that people only socialize in-person with their "core bubble," which for most British Columbians means members of their own household. The order was originally set to expire on Nov. 23, but will now remain in place until Dec. 7.

The rule doesn't apply to activities like helping a family member fix a furnace or picking up a relative's kids from school, Henry said. People are also still allowed to have cleaners and repair crews over to their home, provided everyone takes steps to protect themselves and each other from COVID-19 exposure and transmission.


I am doubtful that this will have much affect on the spread but I suppose we shall see.
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Honest question (I rarely get into the big cities) but I thought you had to wear a mask indoors for Edmonton and Calgary?

Took a look at BCs policies, from the CTV BC site, they indicate:

The rules, which have been in place since Nov. 7, require that people only socialize in-person with their "core bubble," which for most British Columbians means members of their own household. The order was originally set to expire on Nov. 23, but will now remain in place until Dec. 7.

The rule doesn't apply to activities like helping a family member fix a furnace or picking up a relative's kids from school, Henry said. People are also still allowed to have cleaners and repair crews over to their home, provided everyone takes steps to protect themselves and each other from COVID-19 exposure and transmission.


I am doubtful that this will have much affect on the spread but I suppose we shall see.
The big difference is masks are now mandated, not encouraged. No mask, no entry. Travel is now restricted throughout the entire province.
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It will be interesting to see if the case rate diverges between BC and Alberta. BC has just decided to mandate mandatory mask use in all indoor public spaces, as well as putting on travel and gathering restrictions.
well considering more and more albertans are wearing masks, yet more and more are catching it, IŤd feel safe to say that it wont affect much. I hghly doubt that the few folks strolling through edmonton and calgary without masks are whats making the numbers climb
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Why are we not mandating multi vitamins, a cardiovascular exercise regimen, weight training routines, weight loss or how to boost ones immune system?

Or are These are all too positive things for personal health
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Not judging one way or another but I do notice quite a few older retired doctors speaking out. Practicing physicians not so much but then they have a career to protect as well. There is something to be said about experience age and life skills for sure.

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The big difference is masks are now mandated, not encouraged. No mask, no entry. Travel is now restricted throughout the entire province.
OK...but my question is that I thought we are pretty much doing this in most big cities in Alberta?

Re the travel restrictions, I just hit up CBC and CTV Vancouver but did not see any restrictions o travel per se. It seemed to be just recommendations?
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OK...but my question is that I thought we are pretty much doing this in most big cities in Alberta?

Re the travel restrictions, I just hit up CBC and CTV Vancouver but did not see any restrictions o travel per se. It seemed to be just recommendations?
Obviously not well enough. To get herd immunity you would need 70-80% of the provincial population to be not able to infect others. To mimic that number you can infer then that you would require at least 70-80% of the province to practice VERY GOOD masking, hand washing, and isolating practice. The numbers are nowhere close to that.
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