Ttsx bullets

slough shark · #1 09-24-2021, 08:16 AM

Hey guys I thought maybe someone would have some more info than me around this. I’m shooting a 30-06 and went shopping for ammo yesterday, that was terrible I didn’t find the main bullet options I was looking for. I did find however a round I’ve been looking at but haven’t looked it up in my reloading book. When I got home I wasn’t able to find it in my book, I got 180 grain Barnes ttsx, it’s a significantly longer bullet than all my regular bullets. The powder I’m using is h4831 and I’m not able to find out how much I’m able to add, would anyone have any literature about what the range is for powder I’m able to add?

Prairiekid · #2 09-24-2021, 08:19 AM

The best load data for the Barnes TTSX is on their website. Barnes 30.06 But 4831 isn't listed as a powder they tested. I ran into the same thing this spring, I picked up a 7-08 and loaded some TTSX, I wanted to find some Varget but ended up picking up some CFE 223.

Tronneroi · #3 09-24-2021, 08:33 AM

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180 Barnes XFB or XBT Hodgdon H-4831 57.0 2,606

180 Barnes XFB or XBT Hodgdon H-4831 61.0 2,789

180 Barnes XLC FB or XLC BT Hodgdon H-4831 59.0 2,732

180 Barnes XLC FB or XLC BT Hodgdon H-4831 63.0 2,917

That's the closest info I could find for that bullet weight using H4831. Note the bullet types. This is off Loaddata.com out of the #3 manual, start load to max.

slough shark · #4 09-24-2021, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tronneroi

That's the closest info I could find for that bullet weight using H4831. Note the bullet types. This is off Loaddata.com out of the #3 manual, start load to max.

Yeah I’m just a bit hesitant to move forward loading as much powder as I have with my previous rounds. I used to use 59 grains on a 180 grain interlock boat tail but, the powder would fill up to the neck, this bullet is around a quarter inch longer and I’m concerned about over packing. That being said my gun tends to do better at higher charges so it’s a fine line.

rugerfan · #5 09-24-2021, 08:58 AM

Send Barnes an email and ask if there is data available. The loading manuals and websites don’t list everything tested. They have helped me out with this in the past.

DiabeticKripple · #6 09-24-2021, 09:12 AM

whats the twist on your barrel?

a 180gr copper is going to be a long bullet and needs a faster twist most likely

slough shark · #7 09-24-2021, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by diabetickripple

whats the twist on your barrel?

A 180gr copper is going to be a long bullet and needs a faster twist most likely

1-10, it said on the box to have 1-11 or faster

slough shark · #8 09-24-2021, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rugerfan

Send Barnes an email and ask if there is data available. The loading manuals and websites don’t list everything tested. They have helped me out with this in the past.

Fun fact Barnes looks they work Monday to Thursday, if I can’t find anything I’ll try contacting them Monday

gunluvr · #9 09-24-2021, 03:50 PM

165 gr. TTSX or TSX is more than
enough from a 30-06. Will deliver more velocity, will shoot flatter and is shorter than 180 gr.

fordtruckin · #10 09-24-2021, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by gunluvr

165 gr. TTSX or TSX is more than
enough from a 30-06. Will deliver more velocity, will shoot flatter and is shorter than 180 gr.

I got the 165 ttsx to load in my 308. Haven’t had a chance to try them as I’ve been using up my 165 accubonds. Fil loads 180ttsx in his 3006 as he wanted to go away from lead. Not sure of the charge but uses imr4350.

Homesteader · #11 09-24-2021, 05:07 PM

Find your OAL, they like a good jump to the lands. .050"+ usually. Start with a minimum 4831 charge for a 180 and away you go. All those bands on the bullet are there to keep bore drag down, so really shouldn't present any issues not normally encountered.

Components are tough to find, especially TTSX's, I'm always on the hunt for 150g .308 TTSX's

gunluvr · #12 09-25-2021, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by fordtruckin

I got the 165 ttsx to load in my 308. Haven’t had a chance to try them as I’ve been using up my 165 accubonds. Fil loads 180ttsx in his 3006 as he wanted to go away from lead. Not sure of the charge but uses imr4350.

I get the concept of "heavy for caliber ". But it's overkill with monometal bullets. You'll get better performance if you go down 10 -20 grains. More velocity, flatter shooting, less hold-over, less intrusion on case capacity, better terminal performance because of higher velocity, uses less powder, bullets cost less...but whatever floats your boat.

elkhunter11 · #13 09-25-2021, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by gunluvr

I get the concept of "heavy for caliber ". But it's overkill with monometal bullets. You'll get better performance if you go down 10 -20 grains. More velocity, flatter shooting, less hold-over, less intrusion on case capacity, better terminal performance because of higher velocity, uses less powder, bullets cost less...but whatever floats your boat.

Exactly, most issues with monometal bullets, are the result of going too heavy, and not having enough impact velocity.

DiabeticKripple · #14 09-25-2021, 08:11 AM

im using the 120gr TTSX in 7RM and 130gr TTSX in 308 for the reasons stated above.

Need the velocity to get the TTSX's to expand. They punch above their weight class.

fordtruckin · #15 09-25-2021, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gunluvr

I get the concept of "heavy for caliber ". But it's overkill with monometal bullets. You'll get better performance if you go down 10 -20 grains. More velocity, flatter shooting, less hold-over, less intrusion on case capacity, better terminal performance because of higher velocity, uses less powder, bullets cost less...but whatever floats your boat.

So your day use something around 130 150 gr for a .308?

gunluvr · #16 09-25-2021, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by fordtruckin

So your day use something around 130 150 gr for a .308?

155 A-Max for target- plinking. 150 Accubond for Muleys and whitetails. Haven’t tried monometal in the 308 but would start with 130s, yes.

gunluvr · #17 09-25-2021, 07:51 PM

Had a bad experience with 165 ttsx in my 30-06. I always shoot 165gr. Speer BTSP but tried some 165 ttsx seated to the same COAL as the Speers (20 thou off the lands). Blew a primer and almost locked up the bolt. The extra length of monometal bullets means more pressure and makes leaving more headspace a necessity. My bad...pulled the rest of the ttsx's and went back to Speers. The ported bolt of my Weatherby probably saved me from a worse result.

elkhunter11 · #18 09-25-2021, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gunluvr

Had a bad experience with 165 ttsx in my 30-06. I always shoot 165gr. Speer BTSP but tried some 165 ttsx seated to the same COAL as the Speers (20 thou off the lands). Blew a primer and almost locked up the bolt. The extra length of monometal bullets means more pressure and makes leaving more headspace a necessity. My bad...pulled the rest of the ttsx's and went back to Speers. The ported bolt of my Weatherby probably saved me from a worse result.

The copper bullets can cause pressure spikes , when seated close to the lands. I start at .050" and have never gone closer than .040", and have never had an issue.

fordtruckin · #19 09-25-2021, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by gunluvr

155 A-Max for target- plinking. 150 Accubond for Muleys and whitetails. Haven’t tried monometal in the 308 but would start with 130s, yes.

I’ve been happy with the 165 accubonds a hair over 2700fps as I pursue elk as well as whitetail. (Worked great last year anyhow) Will have to see about lighter weight Barnes though thanks. Of course right now everyone is kind of limited to why we can find due to shortages.

Coiloil37 · #20 09-26-2021, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by fordtruckin

I’ve been happy with the 165 accubonds a hair over 2700fps as I pursue elk as well as whitetail. (Worked great last year anyhow) Will have to see about lighter weight Barnes though thanks. Of course right now everyone is kind of limited to why we can find due to shortages.

I’ve shot 130’s, 165, 168 and 180 ttsx from my ‘06 and only ever found one bullet which was a 180 after about 30” of penetration straight up the spine. The 130 at 3350 fps provided the most consistent dramatic kills I’ve ever witnessed and every animal I’ve hit with them has gone straight down.
I took a moose with one, through the inside shoulder and out the far side. Shoulder was busted, meat damage was minimal, lungs were jello, exit hole was about golf ball sized and the moose went straight down.

Personally I feel the 130 is the pick of the litter and the 168 at 3k FPS isn’t far behind it.

DiabeticKripple · #21 09-26-2021, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Coiloil37

I’ve shot 130’s, 165, 168 and 180 ttsx from my ‘06 and only ever found one bullet which was a 180 after about 30” of penetration straight up the spine. The 130 at 3350 fps provided the most consistent dramatic kills I’ve ever witnessed and every animal I’ve hit with them has gone straight down.
I took a moose with one, through the inside shoulder and out the far side. Shoulder was busted, meat damage was minimal, lungs were jello, exit hole was about golf ball sized and the moose went straight down.

Personally I feel the 130 is the pick of the litter and the 168 at 3k FPS isn’t far behind it.

thats my experience with the 130 TTSX in 308 as well.

only 2 deer shot with them, but both never went more than 40yds and the blood trail was spraying out both sides. a blind man couldve followed that trail. Lungs were jello and didnt look anything like a lung.