Well I am all for boycotting AHEIA and ACA if possible now!

[CF8889]

Originally Posted by boah

I know you didn’t ask, but I’ll give you my thoughts for what it’s worth. If spears were legal, I am pretty sure you could put a minimum weight, a minimum and maximum cutting diameter and minimum length of cutting surface. If these were met, it would take a certain “force”to throw it.
By the way, have you ever had to use more than 1 round to kill an animal? Have any wounded ones gone unfound?

You and I don't necessarily disagree. Hunters policing issues before the public, is what I have been advocating for.

And yes, I understand no shot is a certain kill. But we do our best as hunters to use methods that we see fit. Maybe had we done more policing ourselves with spears, they'd still be around.

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by boah

I know you didn’t ask, but I’ll give you my thoughts for what it’s worth. If spears were legal, I am pretty sure you could put a minimum weight, a minimum and maximum cutting diameter and minimum length of cutting surface. If these were met, it would take a certain “force”to throw it.
By the way, have you ever had to use more than 1 round to kill an animal? Have any wounded ones gone unfound?

I am curious if spear hunters carry extra spears in case the first one only wounds?

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

I am curious if spear hunters carry extra spears in case the first one only wounds?

This is a good question seriously. What happens when the animal is down but not dead?

[boah]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

This is a good question seriously. What happens when the animal is down but not dead?

I would think if an animal is “down” from a spear, he will be dead in minutes.

[huntinstuff]

Originally Posted by Norwest Alta

This is a good question seriously. What happens when the animal is down but not dead?

Handgun......

[CF8889]

Originally Posted by boah

I would think if an animal is “down” from a spear, he will be dead in minutes.

What about injured but not down? A rifle/bow has a follow up option.

[boah]

Originally Posted by CF8889

What about injured but not down? A rifle/bow has a follow up option.

I don’t have all the answers,but an obvious one would be to throw another spear.

[CF8889]

Does one carry a second spear? I am assuming no. Climbing out the tree stand, retrieving your spear, and putting the stock on a injured animal and getting within 10yards and at a good throwing angle isn't going to be easy.

That can be damn tough when you have a second arrow at the ready and have the ability to shoot 3 to 6 times that distance...

I get this is a touchy subject since spears were just banned. But these questions should have been asked long before that and been properly thought out.


Hunters are asleep at the wheel when it comes to ethics and conservation. We can't simply shout "it's my right! Screw the antis", "it's those dang wolves!", or "I blame the FN's" and hope for everything to be ok...

[boah]

Originally Posted by CF8889

Does one carry a second spear? I am assuming no. Climbing out the tree stand, retrieving your spear, and putting the stock on a injured animal and getting within 10yards and at a good throwing angle isn't going to be easy.

That can be damn tough when you have a second arrow at the ready and have the ability to shoot 3 to 6 times that distance...

A second arrow should never be needed, as a bow and arrow is a much superior weapon.

[CF8889]

Originally Posted by boah

A second arrow should never be needed, as a bow and arrow is a much superior weapon.

I see you are coming at this with thoughtful and open mind....

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

Handgun......

👍ok I'm on the boycott bandwagon

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by boah

I would think if an animal is “down” from a spear, he will be dead in minutes.

Not nescarily lots of stories of guys getting roughed up by moose that were down.

Ooops I jumped on the wrong boycott wagon. Hoping off

[boah]

Originally Posted by CF8889

I see you are coming at this with thoughtful and open mind....

I’ll give you an analogy. Wolves kill the weakest animal in the herd. Once that one is dead, the next and so on.
Spears were the weakest of the herd, which weapon is next?

[CF8889]

We should be self regulating by ethics, not turning a blind eye because of fear.

[covey ridge]

Spears were probably more effective when a group of hunters combined their efforts for the kill. Spears were probably used by groups to finish off trapped game or game lured to bait. Hunter safety would probably be better if used on fish in shallow water. Primitive man probably killed lots of game with spears, but most of that game was probably rabbits. I think I have used the word probably quite a bit

[covey ridge]

Originally Posted by CF8889

We should be self regulating by ethics, not turning a blind eye because of fear.

and the greatest fear is the fear of disagreeing with what is popular opinion.

[Norwest Alta]

Originally Posted by covey ridge

Spears were probably more effective when a group of hunters combined their efforts for the kill. Spears were probably used by groups to finish off trapped game or game lured to bait. Hunter safety would probably be better if used on fish in shallow water. Primitive man probably killed lots of game with spears, but most of that game was probably rabbits. I think I have used the word probably quite a bit

Probably used probably lots. Lol

[Alfiecat]

Originally Posted by angery jonn

I'd say their backs were against the wall on this one, there's some fights you can't win.

Don't forget, hunting is not a right, it's a privilege.

I have a huge problem with this statement. No hunting is not for fun. Although it is fun. It is absolutely a right and not a privilege. You think if society went for **** I’d be following the rules ? No id be feeding my family because the grocery stores wouldn’t be stocked. Learning a hunting skill (even if it didn’t happen) is still important is is a right for sure.

[crazy_davey]

Originally Posted by CF8889

Does one carry a second spear?

I always carried two spears when spear hunting.

[dmcbride]

I only carried one spear. My spear is 3.9 lbs and is 5'6 long. If an animal runs with a spear stuck in it, it will be dead. It is like stirring the insides of the animal with a big blade. The spear is also designed not to stay stuck in an animal.

[CanadianEh]

Originally Posted by CF8889

What about injured but not down? A rifle/bow has a follow up option.

I would like to be the only person in the world to use a cannon for big game hunting, so I can post it on youtube! And I do not want anyone taking away my rights to use my cannon.

If not a cannon my back up option would be grenades.

[FCLightning]

It's already been done - well, not the youtube part....
http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm

[Flatlandliver]

Originally Posted by CF8889

We should be self regulating by ethics, not turning a blind eye because of fear.

There ya go. Good post.
The issue here though is who’s ethics.

I would argue that rather then boycotting those groups, you should join and have a voice. The political world is all about the loudest, most effective lobby.
And a bunch of guys whining on a forum is neither loud nor effective.

[CanadianEh]

Originally Posted by FCLightning

It's already been done - well, not the youtube part....
http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm

Grenades it is then!

[CF8889]

Originally Posted by dmcbride

I only carried one spear. My spear is 3.9 lbs and is 5'6 long. If an animal runs with a spear stuck in it, it will be dead. It is like stirring the insides of the animal with a big blade. The spear is also designed not to stay stuck in an animal.

This, I did not know about. How does the design work?

With the proper thought process, had we put in regulations ourselves using a model like yours.. we might still have spesr hunting.

[CF8889]

Originally Posted by CanadianEh

I would like to be the only person in the world to use a cannon for big game hunting, so I can post it on youtube! And I do not want anyone taking away my rights to use my cannon.

If not a cannon my back up option would be grenades.

If you don't, you are anti hunting. Black powder rifles will be next if you don't do this!

[dmcbride]

Originally Posted by CF8889

This, I did not know about. How does the design work?

With the proper thought process, had we put in regulations ourselves using a model like yours.. we might still have spesr hunting.

Just like broadheads aren't designed to stay in an animal, difference being is that the weight of the spear handle is much more than an arrow and it will come out on its own easier because of the weight of the handle flopping around.

Hope that makes sense.

[MK2750]

Originally Posted by CF8889

We should be self regulating by ethics, not turning a blind eye because of fear.

I believe it unethical to hunt birds without a trained dog and that it be illegal to hunt without one.

I believe it unethical to hunt in the early season with bows. I only hunt rifles and feel bow hunters have an unfair advantage.

I believe it unethical to shoot female or antlerless deer. I am a trophy hunter myself and shooting the babies and mommies makes no sense.

My favorite animal to see in the woods is a Martin. I always loved them and feel it unethical to kill them for their fur.

I believe it unethical to hunt coyotes for enjoyment. They have every right to be there and there is no scientific evidence suggesting that recreational hunting controls populations.

I believe it unethical to spin fish for trout. I am a fly fisherman only and think spin fishing gives an unfair advantage.

I also believe it is unethical to retain fish of any kind. If you want a fish, buy it from the store. I want to catch only big ones.

How are you liking my ethics so far?

You people that are enjoying the ban and arguing for more control over others think you have won the internet because you are keen on the key board. The vast majority of true outdoorsmen have moved on before you folks even joined the forum exactly because of conversations like this one. A few years ago there was more traffic on this forum in an hour than we are experiencing in a week now. Others that remain just can't be bothered arguing anymore.

Banning a legal and moral activity because it doesn't line up with your ideals or ethics will lead to the destruction of all hunting whether you want to believe it or not.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by CanadianEh

I would like to be the only person in the world to use a cannon for big game hunting, so I can post it on youtube! And I do not want anyone taking away my rights to use my cannon.

If not a cannon my back up option would be grenades.

Your too late.... http://www.buckstix.com/howitzer.htm

But, you can buy one!

[angery jonn]

Originally Posted by MK2750

I believe it unethical to hunt birds without a trained dog and that it be illegal to hunt without one.

I believe it unethical to hunt in the early season with bows. I only hunt rifles and feel bow hunters have an unfair advantage.

I believe it unethical to shoot female or antlerless deer. I am a trophy hunter myself and shooting the babies and mommies makes no sense.

My favorite animal to see in the woods is a Martin. I always loved them and feel it unethical to kill them for their fur.

I believe it unethical to hunt coyotes for enjoyment. They have every right to be there and there is no scientific evidence suggesting that recreational hunting controls populations.

I believe it unethical to spin fish for trout. I am a fly fisherman only and think spin fishing gives an unfair advantage.

I also believe it is unethical to retain fish of any kind. If you want a fish, buy it from the store. I want to catch only big ones.

How are you liking my ethics so far?

You people that are enjoying the ban and arguing for more control over others think you have won the internet because you are keen on the key board. The vast majority of true outdoorsmen have moved on before you folks even joined the forum exactly because of conversations like this one. A few years ago there was more traffic on this forum in an hour than we are experiencing in a week now. Others that remain just can't be bothered arguing anymore.

Banning a legal and moral activity because it doesn't line up with your ideals or ethics will lead to the destruction of all hunting whether you want to believe it or not.

I think more have been banned then left, lol.