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Old 02-12-2018, 06:22 AM
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So now that your going to boycott aheia, are you going to step up to the plate with new youth programs or a hunter training program? Just curious.
I'm curious too. I asked nubie back on page one how his "boycott" is going to work. How do you boycott an organization that gets an automatic levy from every hunting license sold? Unless you quit hunting. Or start poaching. Nube? Nube?? Help us out here!
He hasn't answered me yet. I guess he must still be thinking about it.
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Old 02-12-2018, 06:38 AM
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Has AHEIA actually come out and said that they do not support spear hunting? All I have read, is that it was discussed... I've had quite a few discussions with people and did not agree it them.
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:13 AM
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Will still have standards. It's illegal to hunt a black bear with a .22lr. It's illegal to hunt a 6pt bull elk with a 20lbs bow.

What "standard" do we have for spears? Every other hunting tool has a minimum force requirement.
Nube? Anyone else who is very upset about this?

How do we control a minimum force with spears? I'm actually interested in ideas
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Old 02-12-2018, 07:57 AM
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I'm curious too. I asked nubie back on page one how his "boycott" is going to work. How do you boycott an organization that gets an automatic levy from every hunting license sold? Unless you quit hunting. Or start poaching. Nube? Nube?? Help us out here!
He hasn't answered me yet. I guess he must still be thinking about it.
Not much to think about Dave! They don't make every cent from licenses do they? There is a lot to hurt the pocketbook if you use your brain to figure it out. Take a look at their website and I am sure you can figure out quite a few areas that you could choose not to support. The rest you don't have a choice.
Glad you fellows like your choices taken away lol Hope you don't bow hunt!
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:07 AM
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The unfortunate truth is that 98%+ of the population on this planet are irreparably stupid. You see it every day, in every possible aspect of life. Because of this, People need a framework of regulations / laws to help guide the majority. Sometimes these rules are changed based on the actions of such people.
And this is why we have a socialist system both Federally and Provincially.

I assume, like Trudeau and Notley, that you hold an IQ high enough to determine what is best for us 98% that are just too stupid to comprehend the issues at hand.

So carbon taxing is good for the environment, unchecked immigration will diversify the economy, oil from unstable countries instead of an energy east pipeline that benefits all Canadians, etc., etc.,

The 2% know what is best, we backwards tax payers should keep to our work and let the minority rule because that is how a true democracy works.

I too could not care less about spears, pitbulls, ATVs, military type rifles and numerous other issues that come up on a daily basis. What I do care about is a government that continuously restricts peaceful people from their pursuit of happiness for no apparent reason other than the "political correct" blabber from a vocal minority.

Laws, BTW, were originally put in to place to protect and ensure that the people are free to enjoy their lives. If your activities put others in danger or limited their enjoyment of life then rules were put in place. They were never intended to simply impose one's views on others, be it the majority or minority. In this case a good law would be to ban moronic tree huggers from interfering in a legal activity that harms no one.
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Old 02-12-2018, 08:56 AM
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Nube, you have yet to answer ether of my questions. Are you going to take point on replacing AHEIA? Because without them your daughter would have never had the opportunity to go after that Buffalo...

Have you heard first hand that they actually agreed with the ban? Or are you running wild with hearsay and speculation?
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:11 AM
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Pretty simple to take a hunting course in another province and click the box that it was done in another province when getting a wildlife certificate.
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:30 AM
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Nube, you have yet to answer ether of my questions. Are you going to take point on replacing AHEIA? Because without them your daughter would have never had the opportunity to go after that Buffalo...

Have you heard first hand that they actually agreed with the ban? Or are you running wild with hearsay and speculation?
You guys think AHEIA is the end all to getting a license in Alberta? The narrow mindedness of some people on this forum is unreal!
And you think my daughter really learned all that much from the simple online course she got?
Possibly maybe there is a reason we have so many issues with new hunters today. We rely on a bloody online course for someone to learn how to hunt!
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:37 AM
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You guys think AHEIA is the end all to getting a license in Alberta? The narrow mindedness of some people on this forum is unreal!
And you think my daughter really learned all that much from the simple online course she got?
Possibly maybe there is a reason we have so many issues with new hunters today. We rely on a bloody online course for someone to learn how to hunt!
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No I don't think she learned a lot from the course, but she sure as hell needs it to buy a license. You were saying something about being narrow minded.
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Old 02-12-2018, 09:52 AM
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You guys think AHEIA is the end all to getting a license in Alberta? The narrow mindedness of some people on this forum is unreal!
And you think my daughter really learned all that much from the simple online course she got?
Possibly maybe there is a reason we have so many issues with new hunters today. We rely on a bloody online course for someone to learn how to hunt!
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I do not think that aheia is all about getting a license. I think their mission is to make sure that everyone has the opportunity to participate in the outdoors, hunting, fishing camping and shooting, including archery and much more. They also have camp and mentoring programs where new hunters are taught the basics and are guided and supervised on a legal hunt. Everything covered from shooting to field dressing of game to processing for the table.

They also provide a venue for corporate team building where they get to shoot instead of the more common team building by chasing a little white ball.

If aheia would not have taken over the old Calgary Trap and Skeet club this excellent facility would have been converted to acreage development where many if not most are antis.

Do a bit of research on aheia before you are willing to throw them under the bus to sooth your injured ago.
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:12 AM
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Nube? Anyone else who is very upset about this?

How do we control a minimum force with spears? I'm actually interested in ideas
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:47 AM
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Nube? Anyone else who is very upset about this?

How do we control a minimum force with spears? I'm actually interested in ideas
Perhaps we should wait until there is a problem before we go running around like a politician looking for brownie points, fixing things that are not broken.

I have never heard of any animal getting wounded (or even killed for that matter) with a spear before this video. Now if there were a bunch of speared animals dragging themselves around the bush in agony then perhaps we should look at some regulation.

The worst case scenario here is that some nimrod pokes the wrong bear and gets him/herself mangled in the process. I am sure they understand the risks and not unlike the skiers, snowmobilers and mountain climbers that die annually it is their business and none of mine.

Some of you guys are sliding down a slippery slope. Are bows, shotguns and even rifles instantaneously lethal enough and who exactly is 100% qualified to be out there.
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:57 AM
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I'm sure these are the same types that want a hunter proficiency shooting exam MK lol
Nothing like making it harder for people to enjoy the outdoors with this type of thinking.
And to date no response has been given from my email from AHEIA.....
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:06 AM
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Perhaps we should wait until there is a problem before we go running around like a politician looking for brownie points, fixing things that are not broken.
No running around here. It was the OP who got his shorts in a bunch and suggested that those involved with aheia should give their head a shake.

The use of spears was not a thing pressing on my mind but when OP suggested boycotting aheia? Talk about doing something to divide
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Old 02-12-2018, 11:43 AM
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No running around here. It was the OP who got his shorts in a bunch and suggested that those involved with aheia should give their head a shake.

The use of spears was not a thing pressing on my mind but when OP suggested boycotting aheia? Talk about doing something to divide
I don't agree with their actions if in fact they did support the ban, however I do support both organisations and especially appreciate the ACA land that I use on a regular basis and the pheasant program.

I won't be boycotting but I will be voicing my concerns.

My post was directed at those suggesting the ban is a good thing and/or suggesting we need more regulation and limits to our enjoyment of the outdoors.
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Old 02-12-2018, 12:08 PM
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How in any way, is "waiting for a problem" good for hunting. Or ethical hunting for that matter. I don't have an opinion for or against the spear hunting ban. But we as hunters must police ourselves. Otherwise the public will.. and that isn't working out too well. All other tools for hunting are run though a certain criteria. Spears haven't been. Look what happened. WE as hunters, should have regulated ourselves to the standard we always talk about, before the general public came in...because their answer is always to ban things.
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Old 02-12-2018, 12:42 PM
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I have never really looked into spear hunting, but I assume a minimum length, weight and cutting diameter would be effective in determining killing ability. Similar to arrows with minimum lbs draw and cutting diameter.
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Old 02-12-2018, 12:56 PM
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You guys think AHEIA is the end all to getting a license in Alberta? The narrow mindedness of some people on this forum is unreal!
And you think my daughter really learned all that much from the simple online course she got?
Possibly maybe there is a reason we have so many issues with new hunters today. We rely on a bloody online course for someone to learn how to hunt!
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And yet you still won't answer his damn question!!!
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Old 02-12-2018, 01:02 PM
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........ The point is: Like it or not, we as a hunting community are judged based on the public perception and ethics in regards to the humane treatment of animals. If you kill for meat, 95% of folks understand that and likely dont have an issue. Or many are also fine if you go out and eliminate predators to protect your livestock.

The second you go out and shoot a giraffe becasue you want a really really tall stuffed animal.. 95% of people take offence, including alot of hunters.

Just the way it is and will always be. and Spears are NO different.........
WELLLLL........a large percentage of us that hunt don't own livestock....so
under your frame of reference for what "is or isn't" acceptable hunting, ie "predator hunting to protect livestock", say goodbye to hunting Grizzly Bear, Cougar, Wolf and Coyote hunting.

Oh wait........Grizzly Bear hunting is already gone.
AND the antis have Cougar hunting in their sights next.

And your deluded if you think 95% of people are OK with hunting for meat. That skinny jean, latte foam inflated, soy-sucking, self-neutered, politically-correct, peoplekind, living-wage promoting, gender-neutral, entitlement-seeking, vegan hippy-crite, vitrue-signalling, SJW isn't a fringe group anymore. Their numbers are growing....after all they need to have some reason for living.

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Old 02-12-2018, 01:43 PM
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And this is why we have a socialist system both Federally and Provincially.

I assume, like Trudeau and Notley, that you hold an IQ high enough to determine what is best for us 98% that are just too stupid to comprehend the issues at hand.
This is laughable.. I certainly didnt vote for Naughty or Trudeau. of course my numbers are a hyperbole of 98 and 2% But without question the dumb FAR FAR out weigh the smart when it comes to the polling station. Hence they both got elected.

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So carbon taxing is good for the environment, unchecked immigration will diversify the economy, oil from unstable countries instead of an energy east pipeline that benefits all Canadians, etc., etc.,

The 2% know what is best, we backwards tax payers should keep to our work and let the minority rule because that is how a true democracy works.
My friend, I pay taxes just like you do. I am not in government, nor am I a socialist.

Much like my comment above, Who ever said that the rule makers are super intelligent? There is a massive amount of stupid in all levels of Government. Here is another great selection from the article I posted.

"No matter how many idiots you suspect yourself surrounded by, you are invariably lowballing the total. This problem is compounded by biased assumptions that certain people are intelligent based on superficial factors like their job, education level, or other traits we believe to be exclusive of stupidity. They aren’t. "


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I too could not care less about spears, pitbulls, ATVs, military type rifles and numerous other issues that come up on a daily basis. What I do care about is a government that continuously restricts peaceful people from their pursuit of happiness for no apparent reason other than the "political correct" blabber from a vocal minority.
The thing is, the blabber isnt the vocal minority. If you discussed using a spear to kill any animal with the MAJORITY of the population in Canada and showed them the you tube video. I would bet all of my worldly belongings that the people who would be against using a throwing spear to try kill animals would be in the 90-95% + range, . That includes a great many hunters like myself.

So where do you draw the line in the sand regarding regulations? Does it take 1 person to say they want to use a spear? how about 10? 100? 10000? If it is put in those terms, isnt it the exact thing you are upset with, but in reverse? That a VERY low minority feel they should have the right to do what they want regardless of the rest of the population?


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Laws, BTW, were originally put in to place to protect and ensure that the people are free to enjoy their lives. If your activities put others in danger or limited their enjoyment of life then rules were put in place. They were never intended to simply impose one's views on others, be it the majority or minority. In this case a good law would be to ban moronic tree huggers from interfering in a legal activity that harms no one.
Even if you go back to biblical times.. The majority of the laws were created to benefit the wealthy and powerful. Not protect or ensure that people were free to enjoy their lives. Fast forward 200 years and it is very little different today.
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I have never really looked into spear hunting, but I assume a minimum length, weight and cutting diameter would be effective in determining killing ability. Similar to arrows with minimum lbs draw and cutting diameter.
Unfortunately the "force" would still change person to person. A 50lbs bow or 30-06 doesn't.

We should be asking these things and finding solutions before the general public does.
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Has AHEIA actually come out and said that they do not support spear hunting? All I have read, is that it was discussed... I've had quite a few discussions with people and did not agree it them.
Bingo! Apparently the facts don’t matter when deciding on an opinion.
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I'm sure these are the same types that want a hunter proficiency shooting exam MK lol
Nothing like making it harder for people to enjoy the outdoors with this type of thinking.
And to date no response has been given from my email from AHEIA.....
I think it would be great if there was a shooting proficiency portion to the course the inability of most people to use the weapon of their choice is sad want to hunt with a particular weapon type prove you can hit a pie plate at normal hunting distances with that weapon. Rifle at 200 bow at 30 spear at 5m. I'd be all for it. Cant do it go away and practice before you come back and get a licence.
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Bingo! Apparently the facts don’t matter when deciding on an opinion.
Here is the press release with the quote for any who are interested.

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I think it would be great if there was a shooting proficiency portion to the course the inability of most people to use the weapon of their choice is sad want to hunt with a particular weapon type prove you can hit a pie plate at normal hunting distances with that weapon. Rifle at 200 bow at 30 spear at 5m. I'd be all for it. Cant do it go away and practice before you come back and get a licence.
I couldn't agree more ! Firearm proficiency testing is long overdue. Hunters and Shooters are dealing with the likes of "dangerous goods or activities" no matter how we look at it. I can't think of too many professions or occupations/activities that don't require certification to handle that type of material or equipment eg : Air Brake certification, Drivers License road testing, Explosives handling, Automotive Brake installation, Motorcycle road test, Scuba Diving certification, Organized Sports Car racing qualification etc etc. I believe firearms are a lot more dangerous in unqualified hands than many other tools or materials that fall in that general category. The ability to display shooting competency, at least a minimum level, is a no brainer. It could be easily done with very little cost to set up the tests as well, but it should be a bit more difficult than the Hunter Ed exam.
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Old 02-12-2018, 04:14 PM
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Will still have standards. It's illegal to hunt a black bear with a .22lr
Actually the law is “ caliber smaller than .23.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with force. A 223 would be more efficient on big game than a .38 special.
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I believe firearms are a lot more dangerous in unqualified hands than many other tools or materials that fall in that general category. The ability to display shooting competency, at least a minimum level, is a no brainer.
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Old 02-12-2018, 06:11 PM
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Actually the law is “ caliber smaller than .23.
Which has absolutely nothing to do with force. A 223 would be more efficient on big game than a .38 special.
There is still a set minimum. That caliber of .23 or larger, will produce the bare minimum bullet size and power required, and will be the same regardless of who pulls the trigger. The same cannot be said with a spear.

Can you point me to what was the minimum requirements for a spear in Alberta to hunt big game? And do you think those regulations will be enough regardless of size/strength of the person using it?
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